MU vs Loyola

[bilsu]

With Loyola defeating DePaul it got me thinking about Loyola. I think they won the NCAA title in 1963 and are pretty much a non entity in today's basketball world. I have never been to Loyola, but I am assuming Loyola's and MU's campuses were very similar in the 1960's. At the start of my freshmen year 1971 they removed the cross streets running through the MU campus. Of course since that time several old buildings have been replaced by new ones. The MU campus has been significantly upgraded since I graduated in 1975. The reason I bring this up is it might be a good barometer of how important basketball is to MU. Does anyone know, if MU's campus changes been matched by Loyola? Were they equal in the 60's and now MU is far ahead? A good basketall team brings recognition and I believe has a positive effect on donations needed to expand and upgrade universities.

[RJax55]

Don't know what happened in the 70s and 80s, but I can tell you that Loyola is currently in the midst of a large capital campaign to significantly improve their Rogers Park campus. Here's a link: http://www.luc.edu/reimagine/

Also, in the past decade, Loyola has become much more involved in trying to improve the Rogers Park neighborhood. Similar to what has occurred at MU. I wouldn't classify Rogers Park as a bad neighborhood, but it certainly has its seedier elements.

One thing thing to note about Loyola is that actually has three campus... Rogers Park, Downtown (Near-North) and their medical school campus out in the suburbs. In that vein, how they view campus improvements could be quite different than MU.

[Blackhat]

Loyola went through Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

[drewm88]

To sum it up, Loyola's on the right track, but has a loooong way to go.

Loyola went into the crapper as an institution for a while. No real vision or cohesive plan at all. Bad infrastructure, poor leadership, certain things that you might assume are automatic at a school (like alumni outreach) were practically non-existent. It actually got to the point where the university shutting down wasn't a completely unreasonable idea. (Note: I don't believe it ever got any legitimate consideration, but things were bad.)

The last decade or so has been a whole new ballgame. Lots of new buildings on both city campuses: library, academic buildings, arena was renovated last year, new athletic building to go with it, new student center opening next year, business school just got a monster donation from Michael Quinlan (McDonald's money) and will soon begin construction on a new facility, etc.

They brought in a new AD in 2011 who cleaned house across almost all sports. They have some quality teams (men's volleyball especially), but nothing that's going to drive donations. The renovated arena looks great, but it still only seats about 4k, and they don't fill it at all. The new athletic building is a great improvement, but they still lack proper facilities to accomodate every team. Track/CC often warm up and stretch in the building's main hallway. Soccer has to go a couple miles away to practice/play (and it's a cramped area, not like Valley Fields.)

Porter Moser was an assistant under Majerus at SLU, and he seems like a solid young coach with potential, which is exactly what they need. I think the best thing for them is to lobby to get into the new A10 once we pick off Xavier and whoever else, especially because the A10 is probably taking some Horizon teams no matter what, and the remnants will be crap.

[Avenue Commons]

Also, in the past decade, Loyola has become much more involved in trying to improve the Rogers Park neighborhood. Similar to what has occurred at MU. I wouldn't classify Rogers Park as a bad neighborhood, but it certainly has its seedier elements.

There is currently a gang war going on in Rogers Park. Not quite near campus, but it speaks to the insane level of violence in Chicago. Violent crime has spiked tremendously in past two years. Rogers Park has otherwise always been an overall decent place.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Here is an interesting fun fact:  LSD was supposed to be land filled all the way to the Evanston border...so Loyola's buildings all had main entrances facing East to the lake.

[JoBo2756]

Driven through Loyola several times. It looks pretty similar to MU. My mom went there in the early 70s and didn't have many good things to say about it.

Don't think its really the athletic success that is driving growth on or around campus in rogers park. I'm guessing that like all schools (Marquette included), Loyola has been riding the huge inflation of tuition dollars, subsidized by students easy access to government loans, to build new buildings on campus and expand non-essential student support functions.

Sorry for the cynicism, just my thoughts on the matter.

[Galway Eagle]

There is currently a gang war going on in Rogers Park. Not quite near campus, but it speaks to the insane level of violence in Chicago. Violent crime has spiked tremendously in past two years. Rogers Park has otherwise always been an overall decent place.

Where are you talking about? I'd hardly call 17 shootings (only 3 fatal) a gang war, the gang wars are happening on the south and west sides up there is only feuds.  If you'd like a map of all the shootings I'd be happy to provide you with one.  

[Dawson Rental]

Where are you talking about? I'd hardly call 17 shootings (only 3 fatal) a gang war, the gang wars are happening on the south and west sides up there is only feuds.  If you'd like a map of all the shootings I'd be happy to provide you with one.  

I'd like to see the map.  I'm not doubting, I'd just like to see it.

[Avenue Commons]

Where are you talking about? I'd hardly call 17 shootings (only 3 fatal) a gang war, the gang wars are happening on the south and west sides up there is only feuds.  If you'd like a map of all the shootings I'd be happy to provide you with one.  

Ask the beat cops or the ER at St Francis or Evanston Hospitals.

There have been open shoot outs on Wilson/Broadway. The main hot spots are near the Howard Red Line and the Evanston border. Some of the nonsense has dpilled into Evanston. I doubt this is news to you, but Chicago isn't always forthright with their statistics. For example, a call of "shots fired" may not be reported if there is no evidence when CPD arrives.

It's nothing compared to Englewood or Lawndale or Austin, but it isn't good (relatively) for a traditionally stable area.

[Galway Eagle]

I'd like to see the map.  I'm not doubting, I'd just like to see it.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/violence/index.html

[Galway Eagle]

Ask the beat cops or the ER at St Francis or Evanston Hospitals.

There have been open shoot outs on Wilson/Broadway. The main hot spots are near the Howard Red Line and the Evanston border. Some of the nonsense has dpilled into Evanston. I doubt this is news to you, but Chicago isn't always forthright with their statistics. For example, a call of "shots fired" may not be reported if there is no evidence when CPD arrives.

It's nothing compared to Englewood or Lawndale or Austin, but it isn't good (relatively) for a traditionally stable area.

As someone who lives on Austin I can say that it definitely makes Rogers Park look really nice and safe

[brewcity77]

Where are you talking about? I'd hardly call 17 shootings (only 3 fatal) a gang war, the gang wars are happening on the south and west sides up there is only feuds.  If you'd like a map of all the shootings I'd be happy to provide you with one.  

FWIW, gang members are not exactly noted for accuracy. I'm sure there are quite a few more shootings that occurred where they either (a) weren't reported or (b) no one got hit.

[Dawson Rental]

Ask the beat cops or the ER at St Francis or Evanston Hospitals.

There have been open shoot outs on Wilson/Broadway. The main hot spots are near the Howard Red Line and the Evanston border. Some of the nonsense has spilled into Evanston. I doubt this is news to you, but Chicago isn't always forthright with their statistics. For example, a call of "shots fired" may not be reported if there is no evidence when CPD arrives.

It's nothing compared to Englewood or Lawndale or Austin, but it isn't good (relatively) for a traditionally stable area.

BagpipingBoxer's map (from the Chicago Sun-Times) shows trouble near the Evanston border and around Wilson/Broadway, both areas that are a ways away from Loyola's campus.  The clearest part of Roger's Park appears to be around Loyola.

[warriorchick]

Loyola's fatal flaw is that it is split into 3 campuses (campi?) - Rogers Park, Downtown, and Maywood.  If you are a business, communications, or health science major (nursing, etc.), you are going to be spending the majority of your time off of the main campus.  I guess it's not that big of a deal if you are a commuter student, but if you are a resident student, that must suck. My two kids dismissed Loyola as a potential choice for that very reason.

[🏀]

FWIW, gang members are not exactly noted for accuracy. I'm sure there are quite a few more shootings that occurred where they either (a) weren't reported or (b) no one got hit.

[Sheriff]

Driven through Loyola several times. It looks pretty similar to MU. My mom went there in the early 70s and didn't have many good things to say about it.

Don't think its really the athletic success that is driving growth on or around campus in rogers park. I'm guessing that like all schools (Marquette included), Loyola has been riding the huge inflation of tuition dollars, subsidized by students easy access to government loans, to build new buildings on campus and expand non-essential student support functions.

Sorry for the cynicism, just my thoughts on the matter.

I was an undergrad at the Loyola campus in Rogers Park on a scholarship in the late 1970's.  It was a commuter school dominated by cliques from local Catholic high schools and cut-throat pre-med students.  Aside from classes and basketball games, I didn't spend much time on campus.  I did get a solid Jesuit education and am thankful for that.  I don't know what the neighborhood is like know but my apartment was burglarized one afternoon (we caught the intruders) and one of my friends was shot five times in the elevator lobby of the biggest dorm on campus.  Fortunately, he survived.

I have been back occasionally for LU games at the Gentile Center on campus.  Nothing at all like MU BB at the Bradley Center.  There has been a lot of capital development on campus and that is ongoing.  My sons did campus visits and one went to MU and we never regretted that choice.