Gonzaga

[keefe]

According to who or whom? Where is it stated from St. John's that the Carnesecca is the 'official home of St. John's men's basketball"?

Not the 2012-2013 Men's Basketball Quick Facts published by St. John's. Lists MSG then Carnesecca.

Not the 2011-2012 Men's Basketball Media Guide published by St. John's. Lists MSG then Carnesecca.

Not the current Wikipedia page which is surely edited by a student staffer at St. John's.

You have joined this board recently and are likely a troll since the conference talk started. You are shown you are far from knowledgable. Chasing half truths.

Who cares. What you think. Look at your avatar and ask yourself who you are and what you represent.

[GGGG]

Who cares. What you think. Look at your avatar and ask yourself who you are and what you represent.

weak

[Galway Eagle]

Who cares. What you think. Look at your avatar and ask yourself who you are and what you represent.

I agree his post was harsh but come on dude you can do better than that. 

[keefe]

I agree his post was harsh but come on dude you can do better than that. 

It is not a game of one upsmanship. I cannot understand the argumentative nature of the discourse here. It makes no sense. But here is something that does.


Alba an Aigh!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSH0eRKq1lE

[🏀]

Who cares. What you think. Look at your avatar and ask yourself who you are and what you represent.

Schmitt's Gay? A classic SNL parody skit put on by a fine Marquette alumni?

I guess I thought I was a somewhat respected poster around here since 2006.

I am not going for a 'game of one upsmanship' however if you want to debate ' The official home court of St John's men's hoops' you are wrong.

[keefe]

Schmitt's Gay? A classic SNL parody skit put on by a fine Marquette alumni?

I guess I thought I was a somewhat respected poster around here since 2006.

I am not going for a 'game of one upsmanship' however if you want to debate ' The official home court of St John's men's hoops' you are wrong.

Don't know SNL as I don't sit at home on Saturday nights. You obviously do.

So tenure makes one respectable?

Let me restate. St John's plays its home games at two courts - The Lou and MSG. Feel better? 

[Galway Eagle]

It is not a game of one upsmanship. I cannot understand the argumentative nature of the discourse here. It makes no sense. But here is something that does.

I was referring to what appeared to be calling someone gay because he corrected you, albeit in a someone unreasonably harsh manner.  Though it just came off as you being childish with your retort as opposed to saying something like, "Huh didn't know that.  I don't know why you are getting so worked up, calm down man." That's a much classier way to handle it and in line with what you expect from people affiliated with MU.  

[keefe]

I was referring to what appeared to be calling someone gay because he corrected you, albeit in a someone unreasonably harsh manner.  Though it just came off as you being childish with your retort as opposed to saying something like, "Huh didn't know that.  I don't know why you are getting so worked up, calm down man." That's a much classier way to handle it and in line with what you expect from people affiliated with MU.  

I have no issue with GLBT. In fact, I was pointing out that I found his Schmitt's Beer Gay avatar to be offensive for that very reason. He replied that it has something to do with a Chris Farley comedy sketch. Still doesn't make it right.

[Galway Eagle]

I have no issue with GLBT. In fact, I was pointing out that I found his Schmitt's Beer Gay avatar to be offensive for that very reason. He replied that it has something to do with a Chris Farley comedy sketch. Still doesn't make it right.

Fair enough. My apologies for my misinterpretation.

[real chili 83]

So how did we get on the topic of bacon lettuce and tomato sandwiches?

[keefe]

Fair enough. My apologies for my misinterpretation.

So are you going to tell him his avatar is inappropriate?


Now, for something completely different

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwKgGTANQQg

SNL vs Monty Python? No contest.

[🏀]

So are you going to tell him his avatar is inappropriate?


Now, for something completely different

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwKgGTANQQg

SNL vs Monty Python? No contest.

I'm enjoying you going on the defensive. Good luck with it.

[Galway Eagle]

So are you going to tell him his avatar is inappropriate?


Now, for something completely different

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwKgGTANQQg

SNL vs Monty Python? No contest.

No I have seen that skit and as an advertising major I appreciate the sentiment of it making fun of the beer commercials during that time.  But anyways it's 6:30 on a Friday, gotta head to Murphy's 

[MUFlutieEffect]

Here would be my answer based on what has worked out here for many years.

You are thinking about it from an outbound perspective only, not inbound.  The Pac 12 has been doing this for years to great success.  When you go visit Oregon on Thursday, you visit Oregon State on Saturday.  When you travel down to UCLA on Thursday, you play USC on Saturday.  Cal and Stanford..same.  Arizona and ASU..same.  Washington and Wash State..same.

You fly out to the coast, you take care of two games.  That's part of it.


Then we get back to rivalries.  Imagine being a Marquette alum and we join a conference in which all of the teams in our league are in California, Oregon, Arizona and New Mexico.  EVERY ONE OF THEM.  How many people here would clamor for another conference team like DePaul or another school at least in the same time zone?  Many here would, just as Gonzaga is going to do the same.  They are going to want at least another school they are familiar with, plays in their time zone, etc.  Otherwise you are putting an unfair travel burden on their athletes.  Think about a 12 team league in which half your games are on the road.  For Gonzaga in this league, they are traveling a ton every time they come out, get back to school for classes, come back out for games, get back to school for classes, wash, rinse, repeat. 

They are going to want a travel partner and someone that is at least in their region.  They would be foolish not to ask for something like this and make it a condition of any entry.  I would demand if I were their AD or president.  If I didn't get it, then I stay in the WCC and continue to make the NCAA tournament every year. 

I agree with your overall interpretation, but there are two MAJOR caveats.
1) St. Mary's and Gonzaga are over 800 miles apart - therefore completely failing to prove analogous to Stanford/Cal or ASU/U of A. 
2) St. Mary's is hardly "another conference team like DePaul" to Gonzaga.  Their rivalry is better compared to Marquette and Seton Hall - distant geographically and relatively new.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I agree with your overall interpretation, but there are two MAJOR caveats.
1) St. Mary's and Gonzaga are over 800 miles apart - therefore completely failing to prove analogous to Stanford/Cal or ASU/U of A. 
2) St. Mary's is hardly "another conference team like DePaul" to Gonzaga.  Their rivalry is better compared to Marquette and Seton Hall - distant geographically and relatively new.

Fair points.

I'm trying to be reasonable, however.  There is no other school out west that isn't in the Pac 12 that would make sense that has some semblance of quality to it. St. Mary's and Gonzaga are already in the same conference and have a rivalry going.  Their three rivals are really Washington, Washington State and St. Mary's. 

[keefe]

Fair points.

I'm trying to be reasonable, however.  There is no other school out west that isn't in the Pac 12 that would make sense that has some semblance of quality to it. St. Mary's and Gonzaga are already in the same conference and have a rivalry going.  Their three rivals are really Washington, Washington State and St. Mary's. 

You make good points but I am not sure GU cares much beyond getting their hoops into the C7. It is fair to think they would want a regional partner but that is very much secondary. I have no idea what is going on with BYU but I would think they would be a great addition to the league, despite having football - albeit an independent. I have read in Deseret that BYU has an interest in joining the C7. Here in Vegas the Sun has had several pieces on UNLV finding a new BB home in the C7. UNLV BB is intriguing, they have an interest in the new league but they would have to ditch their mediocre football program though that would be unlikely. There are options in the mountain west but they need to conform to the C7 model to be players.

[Dawson Rental]

You make good points but I am not sure GU cares much beyond getting their hoops into the C7. It is fair to think they would want a regional partner but that is very much secondary. I have no idea what is going on with BYU but I would think they would be a great addition to the league, despite having football - albeit an independent. I have read in Deseret that BYU has an interest in joining the C7. Here in Vegas the Sun has had several pieces on UNLV finding a new BB home in the C7. UNLV BB is intriguing, they have an interest in the new league but they would have to ditch their mediocre football program though that would be unlikely. There are options in the mountain west but they need to conform to the C7 model to be players.

No need to ditch it.  Moving it down to FCS would be sufficient.  They would be an awesome addition to the league.

[keefe]

No need to ditch it.  Moving it down to FCS would be sufficient.  They would be an awesome addition to the league.

Good idea. I wonder if UNLV would do that. It is all about BB here. Football isn't that serious. I know the UNLV faithful long for a return to the glory days of Tark. A power conference could be the ticket.

[MU82]

You make good points but I am not sure GU cares much beyond getting their hoops into the C7. It is fair to think they would want a regional partner but that is very much secondary. I have no idea what is going on with BYU but I would think they would be a great addition to the league, despite having football - albeit an independent. I have read in Deseret that BYU has an interest in joining the C7. Here in Vegas the Sun has had several pieces on UNLV finding a new BB home in the C7. UNLV BB is intriguing, they have an interest in the new league but they would have to ditch their mediocre football program though that would be unlikely. There are options in the mountain west but they need to conform to the C7 model to be players.

I am only interested in the likes of BYU and UNLV if they agree to a 100 bazilliongajillion exit fee for when they inevitably leave to join football conferences.

[Donnybrook]

If this is true UNLV is no different from UConn from a "should the C7 invite them to join" perspective. I am close with several staunch UConn supporters and in that circle none give a rat's a** about football, but they are freaking out about basketball membership. Over Christmas two of them said to me they would love if the school dropped football and just focused on hoops again.

IMHO, I still think from a financial perspective they are wiser to keep football and the C7 should avoid schools with football like the plague.

[Dawson Rental]

If this is true UNLV is no different from UConn from a "should the C7 invite them to join" perspective. I am close with several staunch UConn supporters and in that circle none give a rat's a** about football, but they are freaking out about basketball membership. Over Christmas two of them said to me they would love if the school dropped football and just focused on hoops again.

IMHO, I still think from a financial perspective they are wiser to keep football and the C7 should avoid schools with football like the plague.

I humbly disagree.  Football brings in the revenue, AND the costs.  Most FBS teams end up on the losing end.

[GGGG]

I humbly disagree.  Football brings in the revenue, AND the costs.  Most FBS teams end up on the losing end.

Only if viewed in a completely within the chamber of the sport.  There is a reason why a number of universities have added the sport though.  Loss leader.

[Dawson Rental]

Only if viewed in a completely within the chamber of the sport.  There is a reason why a number of universities have added the sport though.  Loss leader.

That'll change now that schools have the option of joining the C7 conference!

Right?

[nathanhm]

So has there been any more updates on this?  Seems like lots of school names are being thrown around but not hearing much out of Gonzaga.

[GOO]

Seems like Gonzaga is off the board, no rumors.  I hope not, but looks like the Zags maybe out for now.  Maybe if we go to 14 in the future or can get BYU.