Source: Maryland (and Rutgers) to Big Ten is 'pretty serious'

[honkytonk]

You realize that with PSU in the mix, that the BE is entirely a different conference right?  The money is a lot more, and I really do wonder if Miami leaves in that case.

Yeah, I realize the money would be a lot more. Would it be more than the B10 minus Ped State? Doubt it. Nebraska left a lot of money behind and the potential to represent the conference in some years to be one of several programs with the potential to win the B10.

And both you and Chicos COMPLETELY ignore the fact that university administrators have said on record that they always desired the B10 due to the academic and cultural fit. So your entire argument that they could still be in the BE (which is laughable based on your argument) is moot.

[honkytonk]

Calm down dude.  If PSU, Miami and Va Tech are in a conference, that is three of the top 20 programs over the past decade. 

What does that mean? Since when does on-field performance from a historical standpoint mean more money? Its all about markets, no? Sooooo......western Penn, a piece of Virginia....and a piece of Miami....a city that doesnt really support college or pro teams unless they are BIG winners.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Yeah, I realize the money would be a lot more. Would it be more than the B10 minus Ped State? Doubt it. Nebraska left a lot of money behind and the potential to represent the conference in some years to be one of several programs with the potential to win the B10.

And both you and Chicos COMPLETELY ignore the fact that university administrators have said on record that they always desired the B10 due to the academic and cultural fit. So your entire argument that they could still be in the BE (which is laughable based on your argument) is moot.

Well, if you want to get technical about it, PSU in the Big East might have made it attractive enough to retain Miami, V. Tech, BC. Pretty good football schools.

If those schools stay, the whole conference realignment ball might never have started rolling, or at least rolling at this speed.

[honkytonk]

Well, if you want to get technical about it, PSU in the Big East might have made it attractive enough to retain Miami, V. Tech, BC. Pretty good football schools.

If those schools stay, the whole conference realignment ball might never have started rolling, or at least rolling at this speed.

LOL. So you, Chicos and Sultan want to continue to ignore the fact that Ped State always wanted to align itself with the B10. Your argument is dead in the water with that fact....which is why you ignore it.

And btw...that may be a pretty good conference....but those are incredibly chitty markets.

[chr31ter]

So, if you're the SEC, do you look at this as a chance to cripple your largest regional competitor?

If the SEC goes after say, North Carolina and Virginia Tech...

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

LOL. So you, Chicos and Sultan want to continue to ignore the fact that Ped State always wanted to align itself with the B10. Your argument is dead in the water with that fact....which is why you ignore it.

And btw...that may be a pretty good conference....but those are incredibly chitty markets.

Well, there is no way to know for sure (in my mind), but I don't think PSU becoming a B10 member was inevitable as you imply.

[GGGG]

LOL. So you, Chicos and Sultan want to continue to ignore the fact that Ped State always wanted to align itself with the B10.

That simply isn't the case.  PSU always viewed itself as an eastern school with most of its students coming from eastern PA.

[honkytonk]

Well, there is no way to know for sure (in my mind), but I don't think PSU becoming a B10 member was inevitable as you imply.

Up to you...

BC is a small, private school in a terrible college sports market...
Miami is a small, private school in a terrible college AND professional sports market...
Syracuse is a private school in a small market...
VTech is a public that shares its space with UVA in a small market...
Pitt is the second fiddle in the state of Penn...

And then there is Ped State. The largest university of the 5 I mentioned. Their stadium and gameday atmosphere are unlike the other 5. The university itself is unlike the other 5. Their fanbase is unlike the other 5. All of those characteristics are VERY SIMILAR to B10 schools, though.

And where is the money in a tv deal? As I mentioned, those 5 markets are terrible. But I guess had Ped State joined the BE they would still be in the conference....because it would be easier to win....? Then why did Miami, VTech, BC, SU, Pitt, Mizzou, Utah, Colorado, A&M, Rutgers and Maryland ALL leave conferences that provided them better opportunities to win for conferences that will be (in many cases) nearly impossible to win? Money, perhaps? ...Driven by markets?  Nah...must be somethin' else. And the cherry on top is Boise State. Why are they joining a conference that is domiciled all the way across the country despite the fact that have been better than all of the aforementioned schools? Perhaps because Boise doesnt register as a legit tv market?

[honkytonk]

That simply isn't the case.  PSU always viewed itself as an eastern school with most of its students coming from eastern PA.

So multiple administrators were lying?

Sure.

Nah...Ped State isnt interested in graduate research.... Damn that Joe Paterno who wanted to steer the university in his own direction. I guess that was ONE battle he ALWAYS lost, no?

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Up to you...

BC is a small, private school in a terrible college sports market...
Miami is a small, private school in a terrible college AND professional sports market...
Syracuse is a private school in a small market...
VTech is a public that shares its space with UVA in a small market...
Pitt is the second fiddle in the state of Penn...

And then there is Ped State. The largest university of the 5 I mentioned. Their stadium and gameday atmosphere are unlike the other 5. The university itself is unlike the other 5. Their fanbase is unlike the other 5. All of those characteristics are VERY SIMILAR to B10 schools, though.

And where is the money in a tv deal? As I mentioned, those 5 markets are terrible. But I guess had Ped State joined the BE they would still be in the conference....because it would be easier to win....? Then why did Miami, VTech, BC, SU, Pitt, Mizzou, Utah, Colorado, A&M, Rutgers and Maryland ALL leave conferences that provided them better opportunities to win for conferences that will be (in many cases) nearly impossible to win? Money, perhaps? ...Driven by markets?  Nah...must be somethin' else. And the cherry on top is Boise State. Why are they joining a conference that is domiciled all the way across the country despite the fact that have been better than all of the aforementioned schools? Perhaps because Boise doesnt register as a legit tv market?

You make it sound like PSU was destined for the Big10. Was Maryland always destined for the B10 as well? How about Rutgers?

PSU may or may not have ended up in the Big10 eventually. But, the college football and conference landscape in the past 20 years would have been significantly different if the Big East grabbed PSU in 1990.

That's all I'm getting at.

[GGGG]

So multiple administrators were lying?

Sure.

Nah...Ped State isnt interested in graduate research.... Damn that Joe Paterno who wanted to steer the university in his own direction. I guess that was ONE battle he ALWAYS lost, no?

They WANTED to join the Big East.  They were REJECTED.  It was only after that they joined the B10 and paid all the lip service you are taking at face value.

[honkytonk]

They WANTED to join the Big East.  They were REJECTED.  It was only after that they joined the B10 and paid all the lip service you are taking at face value.

Wow. More than one chancellor (because the strategy was implemented over a long period of time) has said that the goal of the university was to gain acceptance into the B10. I think one of the chancellors said it was the goal since the early 80's. If they wanted to join the BE so badly, why didnt they back off on their demands? Can you answer that?

[🏀]

Wow. More than one chancellor (because the strategy was implemented over a long period of time) has said that the goal of the university was to gain acceptance into the B10. I think one of the chancellors said it was the goal since the early 80's. If they wanted to join the BE so badly, why didnt they back off on their demands? Can you answer that?

Why are you so violently defending this purely speculative point?

[ChicosBailBonds]

So what? Where are they going to go? MWC? The BE will still likely have a much more lucrative contract that that conference. What is their break even point to offset travel costs and bowl tie-ins? They are guaranteed at least several million dollars, they should stick with the BE. This is all about money, after all.

To answer your question...yes, the MWC.  Boise State and others now look to be balking and I don't blame the.  With the AQ now gone and the GROUP of FIVE established, there is no need to join the Big East if they can't get a solid contract.

See the article attached.   http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8653727/boise-state-broncos-sdsu-aztecs-byu-cougars-talk-mwc-return-sources-say

[GGGG]

To answer your question...yes, the MWC.  Boise State and others now look to be balking and I don't blame the.  With the AQ now gone and the GROUP of FIVE established, there is no need to join the Big East if they can't get a solid contract.

See the article attached.   http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8653727/boise-state-broncos-sdsu-aztecs-byu-cougars-talk-mwc-return-sources-say

Might I also take from this that negotiations on the next television contract isn't going as well as hoped??

[honkytonk]

Why are you so violently defending this purely speculative point?

As opposed to the speculative viewpoint that Ped State would still be in the BE to this day had they not been denied acceptance?  

[🏀]

As opposed to the speculative viewpoint that Ped State would still be in the BE to this day had they not been denied acceptance?  

Yeah, but you got some passion going here. It's all good.

[honkytonk]

Yeah, but you got some passion going here. It's all good.

Because everything I have ever read about Ped State joining the BE was strictly an athletics decision. Everything I have ever read about Ped State joining the B10 was a strategic decision that transcended the athletics department.

Its just shocking to me that some people think Ped State could still potentially be in the BE to this very day had they been accepted decades ago. I mean....the B10 just took Rutgers and Maryland.... LOL.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Yeah, I realize the money would be a lot more. Would it be more than the B10 minus Ped State? Doubt it. Nebraska left a lot of money behind and the potential to represent the conference in some years to be one of several programs with the potential to win the B10.

And both you and Chicos COMPLETELY ignore the fact that university administrators have said on record that they always desired the B10 due to the academic and cultural fit. So your entire argument that they could still be in the BE (which is laughable based on your argument) is moot.

Aren't you ignoring the fact the Eastern Conference was the brainchild of one Joseph Paterno and Penn State University?  They wanted the Eastern Conference first, before the Big Ten.

Of course there are no guarantees, but I think the chances of BC, Pitt, Syracuse, PSU, and others all in one conference would be a lot better if that league had formed when first comtemplated by Paterno back in 1981, but Pitt and others voted it down.  You needed 6 votes, PSU only got 5 with 3 against.

http://thetimes-tribune.com/sports/joe-paterno-wanted-a-conference-of-east-coast-schools-back-in-1981-1.1206664

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/66059-why-pitt-still-irks-paterno

[ChicosBailBonds]

LOL. So you, Chicos and Sultan want to continue to ignore the fact that Ped State always wanted to align itself with the B10. Your argument is dead in the water with that fact....which is why you ignore it.

And btw...that may be a pretty good conference....but those are incredibly chitty markets.

First, can we stop with the childish PED State?

Second, why are you ignoring what the proposed FOUNDER of the conference, Joe Paterno says about the situation?

[ChicosBailBonds]

So multiple administrators were lying?

That sure hasn't happened of recent vintage from Penn State administrators

[honkytonk]

First, can we stop with the childish PED State?

Second, why are you ignoring what the proposed FOUNDER of the conference, Joe Paterno says about the situation?

Do you mean Joe Pedterno of Ped State University?

[honkytonk]

That sure hasn't happened of recent vintage from Penn State administrators

Right. So lets belive what Pedterno says instead...   

[ChicosBailBonds]

Might I also take from this that negotiations on the next television contract isn't going as well as hoped??

I don't know, but I suspect Aresco's hand of cards keeps coming up 4's and 5's without a face card to be had.  I haven't talked to him in about a month.  I have spoken to several AD's I know of the schools that are coming into the conference, but that was before the news of the last week. 

We'll see what happens, but Mike has a very tough situation on his hands right now since the schools that are coming in no longer have to.  He's just lost one school in his biggest market and may lose another in the next 48 hours.  He's lost Notre Dame since he took the reigns only 2 weeks on the job.  If he pulls this off they should erect a statue for him.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Right. So lets belive what Pedterno says instead...   

I've provided links to articles referencing quotes from 20 to 30 years ago on the subject.  Tranghese has said effectively the same thing as Paterno.  I haven't seen any of your links, but I have provided many to support the clear position that PSU not only wanted to be in the Big East, they authored their own league called the Eastern Conference because they were an eastern school.