Todd Mayo Ineligible

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I dont think words can really describe Notre Dame Prep. However, here is an article from the Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/11/AR2007031101466.html

Here are some excerpts:

" Notre Dame Prep opened in 1952, and its three-story school building has steadily deteriorated since. The front door is broken, so students come and go through a screechy side entrance. The nationally ranked boys' and girls' basketball teams play on a court with chipped blue paint and rounded backboards. Two nights each week, the court doubles as a venue for the town bingo game. Notre Dame Prep stopped resurfacing its basketball court almost a decade ago because elderly bingo players complained about the potential for slipping on a waxed floor.

As part of the financial aid package that pays most of his $17,000 tuition, Beasley helps set up and remove the bingo tables two nights each week. He has only two other responsibilities at Notre Dame: to help the basketball team retain its status as the best prep program in the country; and to attain the grades and SAT score necessary for college eligibility.

Practice becomes a centerpiece of the Notre Dame schedule, because half of the school's 60 students are basketball players recruited from out of state. Ten foreign exchange students from South Korea and a handful of locals make up the rest of the student population. "

This is a key part of the article you left out:

During the summer, as part of its probe into prep schools with questionable academic practices, the NCAA sent an investigator to Notre Dame Prep and about 20 other nontraditional private schools, said NCAA Vice President Kevin Lennon. The investigator showed up unannounced, Barton said, and spent a full day observing classes at the school.

"With Notre Dame Prep, we were sufficiently satisfied that it was a high school where learning was going on," Lennon said. "We saw teachers. We saw a curriculum. We saw the things you'd want to see at a high school."

Again, I honestly don't know a ton about ND Prep, but you keep coming up with physical issues about the building rather than discussing the actual product (the students it produces). What is the college grad rate of ND Prep grads? Are there notable non-basketball alumni?

Anyways, we are off topic here, so if you want to discuss ND Prep further, just PM me.

[StillAWarrior]

Curious to know if he was suspended by the NCAA or the administration.

I don't think the NCAA can suspend a player mid semester for poor performance.

Does anyone know whether NCAA can suspend a player on mid-term grades?  I thought that NCAA only looked at grades at the end of first and second semester.  If a player's grades in the spring semester are below the requirement, he is ineligible to play in the fall semester.  If he's grades are below the requirement in the fall, he's ineligible for the spring.  I don't recall every hearing about NCAA suspensions based on mid-term grades.

I also think that the use of the term "indefinite" is interesting.  In the past, I think Buzz has used this to mean that there is no specific, fixed duration.  It might be a couple weeks, or it might be permanent.  Coupled with the "he did this to himself" comments, I wonder if this is something that Todd can fix prior to the end of the first semester.

In any event, I hope he gets things under control and fixes whatever needs to be fixed.

[MerrittsMustache]

Based on what Andy Katz wrote this morning, I'm guessing GPA is not the issue here:

1. Marquette is being quite transparent lately. The Golden Eagles didn't hesitate to suspend coach Buzz Williams for a Big East game for a violation committed by assistant Scott Monarch, who was subsequently fired. The latest from the Golden Eagles is this: Todd Mayo has rendered himself academically ineligible indefinitely. When asked what that means, a Marquette official said just what it says. Mayo did this to himself. Marquette isn't afraid now to call out who is at fault. There are no excuses at Marquette.

It's a NCAA violation, so it is either GPA or dropping below 12 credits. The wording "Mayo did this to himself" indicates it was an action Todd himself took. As tests and grades can be somewhat subjective, I feel pretty confident that he dropped a class that took him below the NCAA-required 12 credits. If he was in line to get a D or worse in a class, it would be a lot harder to ever play again at Marquette than to be suspended for a semester. The good news would be that if he keeps himself in good academic standing and can keep up 12 credits next semester, he should be able to play during the Big East portion of the schedule.

Think back to Todd's recent FaceBook comment that had so many people buzzing: "It will be a major set back for a major come back. MY DESTINY CAN BE DELAYED BUT NOT DENIED. Back to the basic". He just updated his profile picture to one of him in a Marquette uniform. I sincerely hope and believe he will put his nose to the grindstone to get back out there. It's time to support him.

FWIW -- Excellent posts in here from Ners, Dr. Blackheart, and some others. For people like sellit07, honkytonk, and anyone else deciding to use this as a chance to dump on Todd...well, as Buzz says, "[Character] is typically revealed when things are hard, when things are tough." Well, your character was just revealed.

It could also be interpreted that "Mayo did this to himself" means that he wasn't going to class or wasn't putting in the time and effort to keep his grades up. College athletes receive a lot of support from tutors and advisers. In order to be ineligible, a player would have to basically ignore these advantages or have a learning disability. I highly doubt that MU would say Mayo did this to himself if he wasn't capable.

It's on Todd now. I hope, for his sake, that he gets things sorted out.

[Dawson Rental]

Does anyone know whether NCAA can suspend a player on mid-term grades?  I thought that NCAA only looked at grades at the end of first and second semester.  If a player's grades in the spring semester are below the requirement, he is ineligible to play in the fall semester.  If he's grades are below the requirement in the fall, he's ineligible for the spring.  I don't recall every hearing about NCAA suspensions based on mid-term grades.

I also think that the use of the term "indefinite" is interesting.  In the past, I think Buzz has used this to mean that there is no specific, fixed duration.  It might be a couple weeks, or it might be permanent.  Coupled with the "he did this to himself" comments, I wonder if this is something that Todd can fix prior to the end of the first semester.

In any event, I hope he gets things under control and fixes whatever needs to be fixed.

With so many Mayo threads a lot of the same questions come up again and again.  
Here's what Bilsu had to say in another thread.  It makes sense to me.

I think there is only one way the NCAA would declare him academically ineligible at this point. That would be that he dropped classes, which results in him being below the minimum amount of required credits. I do not think NCAA looks at mid-term grades.

[CTWarrior]

It could also be interpreted that "Mayo did this to himself" means that he wasn't going to class or wasn't putting in the time and effort to keep his grades up.

That is exactly how I interpreted it.  Regardless of the truthfulness of the statement, I think Marquette would be wise to refrain from making such statements.  A simple "Todd Mayo has been declared academically ineligible and will not participate in games or practices indefinitely" or similar should be sufficient.  

[muguru]

In all actuality, I believe this was strategic on Todd's part. Under the current MU admin, you are truly better off becoming ineligible by NCAA standards than you are MU standards. MU's standrads are now above the NCAA standards, and a lot less tolerant. Something to think about.

[Dawson Rental]

In all actuality, I believe this was strategic on Todd's part. Under the current MU admin, you are truly better off becoming ineligible by NCAA standards than you are MU standards. MU's standrads are now above the NCAA standards, and a lot less tolerant. Something to think about.

So, are you suggesting that Todd drops a class even though that gets him under the NCAA requirement for credits in order to avoid a final grade from that class which would put him into too big a GPA hole to get out of (under MU standards) to be eligible for second semester?

[Rubie Q]

In all actuality, I believe this was strategic on Todd's part. Under the current MU admin, you are truly better off becoming ineligible by NCAA standards than you are MU standards. MU's standrads are now above the NCAA standards, and a lot less tolerant. Something to think about.

It was strategic, but I don't think it had anything to do with MU's standards vs. NCAA standards. From what I understand, the situation was: he was in danger of getting a very poor grade in one of his classes. If he pulled a D or an F, he was probably going to be ineligible for whatever was left of his Marquette career. So, he withdrew from the class, salvaged his GPA, took the hit now, and he'll try again next semester.

[MU82]

Can kiss whatever good will we had with hunt after he ran that piece about mayo being a new guy after the summer

Of the many comments on this and other threads, this stood out to me as the most ridiculous.

[muguru]

So, are you suggesting that Todd drops a class even though that gets him under the NCAA requirement for credits in order to avoid a final grade from that class which would put him into too big a GPA hole to get out of (under MU standards) to be eligible for second semester?

Exactly! Being ineligible by NCAA standards, SHOULD give him a chance to come back second semester. Had he gotten a "D" or below in the class he dropped, by MU's standards, he would have been ineligible, and because he was on probation already his career would have been over. Have no idea how/why MU has higher standards than the NCAA does, one of Larry/Fr. P's brilliant ideas.

[murara1994]

It was strategic, but I don't think it had anything to do with MU's standards vs. NCAA standards. From what I understand, the situation was: he was in danger of getting a very poor grade in one of his classes. If he pulled a D or an F, he was probably going to be ineligible for whatever was left of his Marquette career. So, he withdrew from the class, salvaged his GPA, took the hit now, and he'll try again next semester.

You think wrong

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

A ha.

Here comes the LW stuff. Right on time. Oh boy.

[brewcity77]

It was strategic, but I don't think it had anything to do with MU's standards vs. NCAA standards. From what I understand, the situation was: he was in danger of getting a very poor grade in one of his classes. If he pulled a D or an F, he was probably going to be ineligible for whatever was left of his Marquette career. So, he withdrew from the class, salvaged his GPA, took the hit now, and he'll try again next semester.

If he takes the D or F and violates Marquette's standards, no way we see him back this year, if ever. If he drops the class and violates the NCAA standards, he misses the first semester and most likely see him back in January. This was ALL about MU's standards vs NCAA standards.

[Rubie Q]

If he takes the D or F and violates Marquette's standards, no way we see him back this year, if ever. If he drops the class and violates the NCAA standards, he misses the first semester and most likely see him back in January. This was ALL about MU's standards vs NCAA standards.

I misunderstood the nature of the issue, then. I thought it was about him getting a poor grade and the hit his GPA would take as a result. My bad.

[jesmu84]

If he takes the D or F and violates Marquette's standards, no way we see him back this year, if ever. If he drops the class and violates the NCAA standards, he misses the first semester and most likely see him back in January. This was ALL about MU's standards vs NCAA standards.

Why does it have to be NCAA vs. MU? If he got a D/F, couldn't his GPA have fallen below NCAA GPA standards and, regardless of MU standards, he'd be ineligible? Much easier to correct a credits problem vs. a GPA problem regardless of which GPA standard you need to maintain.

[brewcity77]

Why does it have to be NCAA vs. MU? If he got a D/F, couldn't his GPA have fallen below NCAA GPA standards and, regardless of MU standards, he'd be ineligible? Much easier to correct a credits problem vs. a GPA problem regardless of which GPA standard you need to maintain.

It doesn't have to be. In this case, it is. Under the circumstance, I'm just glad there's a chance we'll see him back next semester, when the more important games are played.

[RJax55]

A ha.

Here comes the LW stuff. Right on time. Oh boy.

Actually, I'm surprised it took this long.

[Groin_pull]

being a 22-23 year old sophomore he should know better than that. Really let his team down. No way he will be back next year.

He's done. And I'm fine with that.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

It doesn't have to be. In this case, it is. Under the circumstance, I'm just glad there's a chance we'll see him back next semester, when the more important games are played.

Do we have confirmation that this is an MU ineligibility issue and not a NCAA ineligibility issue?

[Benny B]

Do we have confirmation that this is an MU ineligibility issue and not a NCAA ineligibility issue?

PT indicated that an MU official said it was an NCAA issue.  I don't know that MU has confirmed it officially (or if they even can).

[w0bbie]

Do we have confirmation that this is an MU ineligibility issue and not a NCAA ineligibility issue?

If I'm reading it correctly, Brew and Guru aren't saying that this ineligibilty was imposed by MU.  They are saying Mayo chose to take the NCAA ineligibility this semester (due to less than 12 credits) in hopes that it would allow him to meet MU eligibility requirements (GPA) in future semesters.

So he is technically ineligible due to NCAA rules.

[brewcity77]

If I'm reading it correctly, Brew and Guru aren't saying that this ineligibilty was imposed by MU.  They are saying Mayo chose to take the NCAA ineligibility this semester (due to less than 12 credits) in hopes that it would allow him to meet MU eligibility requirements (GPA) in future semesters.

So he is technically ineligible due to NCAA rules.

Yes.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

If I'm reading it correctly, Brew and Guru aren't saying that this ineligibilty was imposed by MU.  They are saying Mayo chose to take the NCAA ineligibility this semester (due to less than 12 credits) in hopes that it would allow him to meet MU eligibility requirements (GPA) in future semesters.

So he is technically ineligible due to NCAA rules.

Right, but do we know that the pending GPA issue is the dreaded "MU standard" or the "NCAA standard"?

If he doesn't drop a class, ends up with a 1.2GPA, he's not eligible by any standard, right?

I guess before we all go off half-cocked about MU's standards, I'd like to confirm that it's actually an issue here. THENNNNN, we can RAAAAAAGE!*

*I'd suggest an email campaign to the athletic department. It worked this summer. It can work again!

[Pakuni]

I'm not the insider that about half the posters here proclaim to be (because, no doubt, many of you are intimately familiar Todd Mayo's GPA), but mathematically speaking, it's improbable that Todd meets NCAA requirements but not MU's. Not impossible, but improbable.

[reinko]