Todd Mayo Ineligible

[Dawson Rental]

I'm not the insider that about half the posters here proclaim to be (because, no doubt, many of you are intimately familiar Todd Mayo's GPA), but mathematically speaking, it's improbable that Todd meets NCAA requirements but not MU's. Not impossible, but improbable.

If you are correct (which seems probable to me), then I suppose what is being said is that Todd is OK under MU standards, but not NCAA standards for credit hours after dropping a class.  Whereas if he had stayed in the class and gotten a low grade, he would have been barred under both NCAA and MU standards for GPA at the end of the semester.  It's strategic because he becomes ineligible sooner under this scenario, but if he can make up credits by taking one of the accelerated classes offered during the semester break, he has a shot of being eligible for the second semester.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I'm not the insider that about half the posters here proclaim to be (because, no doubt, many of you are intimately familiar Todd Mayo's GPA), but mathematically speaking, it's improbable that Todd meets NCAA requirements but not MU's. Not impossible, but improbable.

Do we even know what MU's official standard is? What about the NCAA?

Are we talking about 2.0 vs 2.1? Pretty small window for him to fit into.

However, I reserve the right to write LW a nasty email because he is ruining MU basketball.

[Dawson Rental]

Do we even know what MU's official standard is? What about the NCAA?

Are we talking about 2.0 vs 2.1? Pretty small window for him to fit into.

However, I reserve the right to write LW a nasty email because he is ruining MU basketball.

You haven't done that yet?

[RJax55]

Do we even know what MU's official standard is? What about the NCAA?

Are we talking about 2.0 vs 2.1? Pretty small window for him to fit into.

However, I reserve the right to write LW a nasty email because he is ruining MU basketball.

From what I can tell...

Current, MU policy is a 2.0 http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/acad-comp/spec-rel/070110aaa.html

NCAA policy, is a 1.8 (for a 2nd year or sophomore standing) http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Eligibility/Remaining+Eligible/

So, yes, that GPA window is pretty small. I mean, you would need to know a great deal about Mayo's current academic situation to infer that somehow his eligibility issue is directly tied to the difference between the NCAA and MU GPA standards.

[jesmu84]

From what I can tell...

Current, MU policy is a 2.0 http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/acad-comp/spec-rel/070110aaa.html

NCAA policy, is a 1.8 (for a 2nd year or sophomore standing) http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Eligibility/Remaining+Eligible/

So, yes, that GPA window is pretty small. I mean, you would need to know a great deal about Mayo's current academic situation to infer that somehow his eligibility issue is directly tied to the difference between the NCAA and MU GPA standards.

The consensus on the board seems to indicate it's an NCAA ineligibility, which, as I understand it, can only occur mid-semester due to credits, not GPA,

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

From what I can tell...

Current, MU policy is a 2.0 http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/acad-comp/spec-rel/070110aaa.html

NCAA policy, is a 1.8 (for a 2nd year or sophomore standing) http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Eligibility/Remaining+Eligible/

So, yes, that GPA window is pretty small. I mean, you would need to know a great deal about Mayo's current academic situation to infer that somehow his eligibility issue is directly tied to the difference between the NCAA and MU GPA standards.

Alright, so regardless of the exact reasons for the current suspension (credits or GPA), a player would have to have a 1.81-1.99GPA in order for this to be strictly a MU eligibility issue and not a NCAA eligibility issue.

Cool. Now the rules are set for the eventual outrage and email campaign.

[RJax55]

The consensus on the board seems to indicate it's an NCAA ineligibility, which, as I understand it, can only occur mid-semester due to credits, not GPA,

Yes, you are correct.

However, the reason that I posted the GPA requirements is that some here are speculating that the reason Mayo dropped the class (and thus became ineligible under the NCAA credit policy) was due to how his poor grade in that class would effect his overall Fall GPA. And, what has been theorized is that had Mayo not dropped the class, his semester-end GPA would have made him eligible based on the NCAA policy, but not MU policy. Simply, his Fall GPA would be a 1.9, instead of the 2.0 needed to stay eligible at MU.

To make that claim, I think you would need a great deal of information as to his current situation, with the difference in GPA being so small.

[wojosdojo]

Is it true that Todd is only taking two classes?

[brewcity77]

From what I understand, receiving a D in a class would not make a player automatically ineligible with the NCAA. However, it would with Marquette. That's the difference. A SA on academic probation could take 4 classes and get A's and B's in three of them, but if the SA got a D in one that player would be ineligible even though their GPA could still be 3.2.

The NCAA looks at class load, GPA, and core classes completed at different stages of a SA's career. As long as Mayo drops the class, he meets the two latter requirements, and if he can get everything caught up by January, he will meet them all and meet both NCAA and MU requirements.

[Knight Commission]

Back in the day we could "audit" a class. If that is still an option, couldn't he have chosen this option thereby giving him the requisite credits, just not receiving a grade for all of them?

[brewcity77]

I don't believe audited classes are recognized by the NCAA. I'm not 100% on that.

[Benny B]

Hey, isn't that the movie where Randy Quaid flies his fighter plane up the mothership's bunghole?

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

From what I understand, receiving a D in a class would not make a player automatically ineligible with the NCAA. However, it would with Marquette. That's the difference. A SA on academic probation could take 4 classes and get A's and B's in three of them, but if the SA got a D in one that player would be ineligible even though their GPA could still be 3.2.

The NCAA looks at class load, GPA, and core classes completed at different stages of a SA's career. As long as Mayo drops the class, he meets the two latter requirements, and if he can get everything caught up by January, he will meet them all and meet both NCAA and MU requirements.

"You can't get D". Is that an unwritten rule?

[Pakuni]

Do we even know what MU's official standard is? What about the NCAA?

Are we talking about 2.0 vs 2.1? Pretty small window for him to fit into.

However, I reserve the right to write LW a nasty email because he is ruining MU basketball.

NCAA standard is 90 percent of a school's minimum GPA for successful graduation by the start of your second year, 95 percent by the start of your third year and 100 percent by the start of your fourth year. So, if you need a 2.0 GPA to graduate from your school, you need a 1.8 to remain eligible heading into your second year.
MU standard is a flat 2.0 for all years.
Given that Todd has only one year of classes under his belt, it would be hard for his GPA to be a 1.9 or 1.8. The math just doesn't work out easily. Like I said, not impossible, but improbable.


Nothing in the Marquette eligibility policy says a player can't have a 'D'. Maybe they have an official policy and a secret policy so they can capriciously screw over the basketball team.

[brewcity77]

"You can't get D". Is that an unwritten rule?

When on academic probation, no.

[Bocephys]

NCAA standard is 90 percent of a school's minimum GPA for successful graduation by the start of your second year, 95 percent by the start of your third year and 100 percent by the start of your fourth year. So, if you need a 2.0 GPA to graduate from your school, you need a 1.8 to remain eligible heading into your second year.
MU standard is a flat 2.0 for all years.
Given that Todd has only one year of classes under his belt, it would be hard for his GPA to be a 1.9 or 1.8. The math just doesn't work out easily. Like I said, not impossible, but improbable.


Nothing in the Marquette eligibility policy says a player can't have a 'D'. Maybe they have an official policy and a secret policy so they can capriciously screw over the basketball team.

I do believe their standard policy for students on academic probation defines things such as number of credits taken (they set a high and low limit), number of classes dropped (usually no more than one), overall GPA for the semester, and that you cannot get below a C in any class.  So by dropping his worst class he avoided violating his academic probation which would have carried (I imagine) far worse penalties than being suspended by the NCAA for the non-conference season.

I'm not sure why you're trying to make something out of nothing here.  There are plenty of reasons to write Larry an angry letter, but this doesn't appear to be one of them.

[Pakuni]

When on academic probation, no.

So how poorly must he have been doing when it's determined in early November - with a month of classes and finals still ahead - that it would be impossible for him to pull his grade up to a 'C' in that course?

[Pakuni]

I do believe their standard policy for students on academic probation defines things such as number of credits taken (they set a high and low limit), number of classes dropped (usually no more than one), overall GPA for the semester, and that you cannot get below a C in any class.  So by dropping his worst class he avoided violating his academic probation which would have carried (I imagine) far worse penalties than being suspended by the NCAA for the non-conference season.

I'm not sure why you're trying to make something out of nothing here.  There are plenty of reasons to write Larry an angry letter, but this doesn't appear to be one of them.

What?
I'm not trying to blame Larry for anything here.
I'm questioning the legitimacy of claims by those who are.

[Goose]

I 100% believe this a Todd Mayo issue and no blame should be placed elsewhere. The news to me was disappointing but hardly shocking. The academic standards are not an issue for 99% of the players and when one fails it rests on that players shoulders.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I do believe their standard policy for students on academic probation defines things such as number of credits taken (they set a high and low limit), number of classes dropped (usually no more than one), overall GPA for the semester, and that you cannot get below a C in any class.  So by dropping his worst class he avoided violating his academic probation which would have carried (I imagine) far worse penalties than being suspended by the NCAA for the non-conference season.

I'm not sure why you're trying to make something out of nothing here.  There are plenty of reasons to write Larry an angry letter, but this doesn't appear to be one of them.

I'm sorry, I'm the guy who keeps saying stuff about angry letters to LW, and I'm being sarcastic.

[RJax55]

I 100% believe this a Todd Mayo issue and no blame should be placed elsewhere. The news to me was disappointing but hardly shocking. The academic standards are not an issue for 99% of the players and when one fails it rests on that players shoulders.

Well stated.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

When on academic probation, no.

Is there a different eligibility handbook?

I only have access to this:

http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/acad-comp/spec-rel/070110aaa.html

But, this doesn't discuss "academic probation" and the requirements and effects of such a situation.

[RJax55]

Is there a different eligibility handbook?

I only have access to this:

http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/acad-comp/spec-rel/070110aaa.html

But, this doesn't discuss "academic probation" and the requirements and effects of such a situation.

02, it may be outlined in the clause "Must follow principles set forth in the Academic Principles Agreement."

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

02, it may be outlined in the clause "Must follow principles set forth in the Academic Principles Agreement."

Ah yes.

OK, cool.

At the end of the day, I hope Todd continues to work hard and gets himself eligible again.

[GGGG]

It also isn't an athletics issue....academic probation is a University-wide issue regardless if they are athletes or not.  Pulled this off the web-site.  It is for the College of Engineering, but it is similar for the other colleges.

http://www.marquette.edu/engineering/students_policies_dismissal.shtml

"The student must avoid excessive absences and must earn a grade of C or better in every other course."