2012 NFC North/NFL Thread

[hairy worthen]

Usually the people who criticize TT are the ones that are Brett Favre widows who still hold a grudge.

Exactly, but that turned out to be the exact correct move for no other reason than what kind of credibility would TT or MM have if they let favre dictate to them what they should do.

[JWags85]

The TT criticism is difficult to understand. Does he miss on a few moves? Hell yes but show me a GM who doesn't.  At the end of the day, the packer organization is stable, successful and a model for the NFL.

I think its cause Packer fans were always insecure looking at realizing a few hours South, Ted Thompson was being outworked and out-thought by one of the premier talent evaluators in all of football in Jerry Angelo...

[Benny B]

Any Titan fans out there want to keep this exhilarating Packers vs. ______ banter going through next week?

It's just for a week, though... Jay Bee will take it from there.

[hairy worthen]

Any Titan fans out there want to keep this exhilarating Packers vs. ______ banter going through next week?

It's just for a week, though... Jay Bee will take it from there.

Wait... the Titans have fans?

[NavinRJohnson]

Exactly, but that turned out to be the exact correct move for no other reason than what kind of credibility would TT or MM have if they let favre dictate to them what they should do.

That's easy to say now. If they didn't have the best QB in football sitting on the bench at the time, their decisions may have been different. Then again, the decision to draft said QB may have started some of Favre's silliness in the first place.

[Spotcheck Billy]

That's easy to say now. If they didn't have the best QB in football sitting on the bench at the time, their decisions may have been different. Then again, the decision to draft said QB may have started some of Favre's silliness in the first place.

IIRC Favre had already 'retired' once before they drafted Rodgers but of course that decision could be different if they didn't think Rodgers could perform as a starter

[Blackhat]

I can't blame TT for Nick Collins' injury.  In '10 they had one of the best ball-hawking secondaries in the league, and it lost one of the best safeties in the game.  That was huge.  

Signing Cullen Jenkins would have been a waste...he has done nothing substantial for the Eagles.  

And again, you are talking about a team that went 15-1 and lost in the playoffs to the eventual champions.

Teams ran for 4.7 YARDS A CARRY against our front seven.   To blame that meltdown on Nick Collins is too easy.    He's mended some of the problems and I love the Hayward db he picked.   We wasted a legendary offensive year last year though.


 Some of TT's best early moves were when he used free agency to build up our D, Woodson, Pickett.   It's too bad his need for a rigid philosophy overrides common sense that other GM's use when a good deal is to be had.

[GGGG]

Teams ran for 4.7 YARDS A CARRY against our front seven.

And the year before they gave up....wait for it...wait for it...4.7 YARDS A CARRY.

And won the Super Bowl.

The real problem was net yards per pass attempt went up from 5.4 to 7.2, but sacks were roughly the same.  Last year's problems were almost entirely caused by a poor secondary.

[Blackhat]

Not hard to see how the D reached meltdown proportions.   That's atrocious run defense.

4.7 yds
4.7
4.5

playing with fire.   

[wadesworld]

Not hard to see how the D reached meltdown proportions.   That's atrocious run defense.

4.7 yds
4.7
4.5

playing with fire.   

2 years ago we won the Super Bowl.  Last year we went 15-1 and lost to the team that got hot and rolled through the Playoffs.  Do you expect 19-0 every year?

[GGGG]

Not hard to see how the D reached meltdown proportions.   That's atrocious run defense.

4.7 yds
4.7
4.5

playing with fire.   

Hey look!!!  You managed to twist statistics TWICE to fit your agenda...  Surprise, surprise....

[Blackhat]

 you old guys are feisty.  

That's atrocious run d in any league.   That is not a foundation for success and if our secondary dips below avg. like last year the bottom falls out with no run d.


The cause for such a drop on an 11 man unit can be reliably put on the absence of one????  There are many factors: pressure on qb, cb play, safety play,  avg. down and distance, etc.  

[GGGG]

Stone....

They WON the Super Bowl....they followed that up with a 15-1 season....and they are 10-4 this year after starting 2-3.

You have to understand at some point that your criticisms of a guy that built a team that 95% of NFL fans would love to have get sillier and sillier.

[Blackhat]

All I know is TT better not put the franchise tag on Mashtay or I'll flip my lid.   

[Sir Lawrence]

All I know is TT better not put the franchise tag on Mashtay or I'll flip my lid.  

It gets better. Masthay's old man teaches at Dayton.  

Edited for spelling.

[ATWizJr]

you old guys are feisty.  

That's atrocious run d in any league.   That is not a foundation for success and if our secondary dips below avg. like last year the bottom falls out with no run d.


The cause for such a drop on an 11 man unit can be reliably put on the absence of one????  There are many factors: pressure on qb, cb play, safety play,  avg. down and distance, etc.  

First year watching football?

[Blackhat]

It gets better. Mastay's old man teaches at Dayton. 

The Ginger Wolverine.

[Sir Lawrence]

The Ginger Wolverine.

Yup.  So say his mates.

Pretty good punter.

[only a warrior]

loving the fact that the Pack controls the destiny of duh bears (assuming they take care of business against the Lions first).  Tough choice - lock up that #2 seed or screw the bears and send Lovie packing ...

[GGGG]

I would much rather face the Bears in the playoffs than the Vikings.  I want no part of Adrian Peterson.

[Benny B]

I would much rather face the Bears in the playoffs than the Vikings.  I want no part of Adrian Peterson.

In the cold, no less.  It would be the rare occurrence where the Packers would be disadvantaged playing at Lambeau.  A pro-bowl QB who simply isn't the same guy in cold weather and a middling run defense vs. one of the best running teams (and the best RB) in the league... no thank you.

[Jay Bee]

I would much rather face the Bears in the playoffs than the Vikings.  I want no part of Adrian Peterson.

YESSAAAAH!

Skol Vikings! Still time to jump on the bandwagon, boys. Can't wait to beat Green Bey Sunday!!!!!

[jesmu84]

loving the fact that the Pack controls the destiny of duh bears (assuming they take care of business against the Lions first).  Tough choice - lock up that #2 seed or screw the bears and send Lovie packing ...

As a Bears' fan, I hope Lovie sent packing either way.

Though, I wouldn't be afraid of playing the Falcons in round 1. Turner is stoppable and Ryan has some awful games.

[Benny B]

As a Bears' fan, I hope Lovie sent packing either way.

Though, I wouldn't be afraid of playing the Falcons in round 1. Turner is stoppable and Ryan has some awful games.

Bears would play the Falcons in round 2... and Green Bay in the NFC Championship.  Though the roles will be reversed this time, the inevitable outcome of the Packers going to (and eventually winning) the Super Bowl on the backs of the Chicago Bears - again - seems too appealing.

[SaintPaulWarrior]

  Tough choice - lock up that #2 seed or screw the bears and send Lovie packing .

I am sure they are debating this thouroughly everyday in team meetings.