I think most have this wrong, Buzz got off easy and he knows it

[ATWizJr]

You must work in an odd workplace.  Because I know that if I broke a "workplace rule," and then repeatedly lied about it to my superior until confronted with hard evidence that I lied, I *would* be fired. 

We do not know the magnitude or reality or frequency of any purported lie.  And yes, I do work in a relaxed atmosphere, being self employed and the only boss and only employee.  Can't beat it. 

[mileskishnish72]

As to whether Monarch is a proven liar, the "onlyfans" clip indicates that he finally admitted his actions. So the dishonesty is admitted, proved. That was the problem, much more so than a shirt or a ride home.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

IMO, we don't know what transpired between Monarch and the investigators or between those parties and MU's administration.  If he was given an option to quit and wouldn't it tells me that he felt wrongly accused.  We have not heard anyone's side of things but the admin's.  Yes, I think it could have been handled differently.  A multiple game suspension would have been more than adequate, would have been sufficient along with the self-reporting of the ride and tee shirt violation to satisfy the NCAA, and would have had the additional benefit of not creating potential animosity with the head coach.  

I'm sorry, but you are all over the map here.

- An independent investigator determined what happened and reported to MU. That's about as factual as we (fans) will ever get on a topic. If something was manipulated, I'm sure Monarch will bring a lawsuit for wrongful termination. We'll keep an eye out for that.

- You say we don't know what happened, but you think the punishment is incorrect? Does that even make sense?

- This isn't about a t-shirt, it's about a simple (and cardinal) rule of recruiting that was broken, and then lied about. Recruits cannot receive benefits from the coaching staff, even I know that. Certainly Monarch knew that, and when he got called on it, he lied. For all parties involved, it's best that Monarch move on.

[Benny B]

We do not know the magnitude or reality or frequency of any purported lie.  And yes, I do work in a relaxed atmosphere, being self employed and the only boss and only employee.  Can't beat it. 

You're right... we don't know what actually transpired.  But common sense and logic both indicate that Monarch lied on multiple occasions.  Regardless of how inept you believe those at the MU wheel happen to be, university counsel would have never approved a press release indicating Scott Monarch lied repeatedly if that fact was in dispute.

[ATWizJr]

You're right... we don't know what actually transpired.  But common sense and logic both indicate that Monarch lied on multiple occasions.  Regardless of how inept you believe those at the MU wheel happen to be, university counsel would have never approved a press release indicating Scott Monarch lied repeatedly if that fact was in dispute.

You have more faith in the MU admin then I do.  And, we may never hear it, but I'd like to hear more than one side of this story.  If they had him dead to rights I think he would have accepted a settlement and resigned.

[strotty]

Also, my personal opinion, but I think this an opportunity to upgrade our staff.  I only met Monarch once, and I'm sure he's a really nice guy and all, but he didn't exactly strike me as a basketball genius.  His strongest qualification seems to be having known Buzz for a long time, and I doubt there's any other D1 coach in the country that would have given him an assistant job.  I don't want to kick him when he's down, but I was surprised when he was promoted to assistant in the first place.

So much wrong with that. But at least you met him once, so you can make those claims...

[Abode4life]

You have more faith in the MU admin then I do.  And, we may never hear it, but I'd like to hear more than one side of this story.  If they had him dead to rights I think he would have accepted a settlement and resigned.

According to the article on ESPN, Monarch admitted he was dishonest.  

"Through the course of the investigation, it became clear, ultimately, to the independent investigator, he admitted the (dishonesty)," Larry Williams said.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8301365/marquette-golden-eagles-dismiss-assistant-coach-scott-monarch

I don't think anyone on this board has any idea why Monarch would not have just resigned, but to be sure if something untruthful or malicious has happened on the part of MU, we'll hear about it via a lawsuit.  All the info we have now is Monarch had a minor violation, hid the fact that he did those violations, admitted (supposedly) that he was dishonest, and got fired.  

Time to move on everyone.  Who is excited for November 9th?

[ATWizJr]

According to the article on ESPN, Monarch admitted he was dishonest.  

"Through the course of the investigation, it became clear, ultimately, to the independent investigator, he admitted the (dishonesty)," Larry Williams said.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8301365/marquette-golden-eagles-dismiss-assistant-coach-scott-monarch

I don't think anyone on this board has any idea why Monarch would not have just resigned, but to be sure if something untruthful or malicious has happened on the part of MU, we'll hear about it via a lawsuit.  All the info we have now is Monarch had a minor violation, hid the fact that he did those violations, admitted (supposedly) that he was dishonest, and got fired.  

Time to move on everyone.  Who is excited for November 9th?

This says that Larry Williams says that Monarch admitted the dishonesty.  I'd like to hear that from the horse, not fourth hand.  Yeah, that's right...from Monarch to the investigators to LW to espn and then to us.

[Blackhat]

what a clusterf.ck......

[Pakuni]

You have more faith in the MU admin then I do.  And, we may never hear it, but I'd like to hear more than one side of this story.  If they had him dead to rights I think he would have accepted a settlement and resigned.

If they had him dead to rights, why would they offer him a settlement and chance to resign?
"Hey boss ... I've been caught breaking the rules, gotten the university in trouble with the NCAA and then lied to you and others. How about you reward my behavior with a payoff?"

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

This says that Larry Williams says that Monarch admitted the dishonesty.  I'd like to hear that from the horse, not fourth hand.  Yeah, that's right...from Monarch to the investigators to LW to espn and then to us.

I doubt you are going to hear Monarch hold a press conf. to tell everybody he lied, so you're going to have to get comfortable with the info. we have.

Also, MU is acting upon the information from the investigators, not necessarily information from LW, so I doubt this is some sort of LW conspiracy.

To be honest, why don't you just say what you mean:

"I like Buzz Williams, and I trust him more than the AD and MU Admin. He should be left alone to run his program however he sees fit."

At least that is a straightforward line of logic. Right now, you keep moving the target around so you can disagree with what happened.

[ATWizJr]

If they had him dead to rights, why would they offer him a settlement and chance to resign?
"Hey boss ... I've been caught breaking the rules, gotten the university in trouble with the NCAA and then lied to you and others. How about you reward my behavior with a payoff?"

Happens everyday, man.

[Tugg Speedman]

If they had him dead to rights, why would they offer him a settlement and chance to resign?
"Hey boss ... I've been caught breaking the rules, gotten the university in trouble with the NCAA and then lied to you and others. How about you reward my behavior with a payoff?"

Reigning is not about Monarch, it's about MU.  Did MU want him to resign?

* Let him resign and then, to the public, it is his idea to leave and the dirty laundry can stay in the closet. 
* Fire him and everything comes out in the open.

[ATWizJr]

I doubt you are going to hear Monarch hold a press conf. to tell everybody he lied, so you're going to have to get comfortable with the info. we have.

Also, MU is acting upon the information from the investigators, not necessarily information from LW, so I doubt this is some sort of LW conspiracy.

To be honest, why don't you just say what you mean:

"I like Buzz Williams, and I trust him more than the AD and MU Admin. He should be left alone to run his program however he sees fit."

At least that is a straightforward line of logic. Right now, you keep moving the target around so you can disagree with what happened.

I hope we do see a lawsuit and get to hear the other side of the story.  As for Buzz running the program as he sees fit, yeah, I do think that is a good idea within NCAA parameters.  And in this case, when the parameters were exceeded, the very minor sin was self reported.  It was not a capital offense. And yes, I DO trust Buzz more than the AD and MU admin to insure BB success at MU.

[MerrittsMustache]

I hope we do see a lawsuit and get to hear the other side of the story.  As for Buzz running the program as he sees fit, yeah, I do think that is a good idea within NCAA parameters.  And in this case, when the parameters were exceeded, the very minor sin was self reported.  It was not a capital offense. And yes, I DO trust Buzz more than the AD and MU admin to insure BB success at MU.

Why? Because you like him?

[GGGG]

I hope we do see a lawsuit and get to hear the other side of the story. 

Really?  You want this dragged out even more?

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I hope we do see a lawsuit and get to hear the other side of the story.  As for Buzz running the program as he sees fit, yeah, I do think that is a good idea within NCAA parameters.  And in this case, when the parameters were exceeded, the very minor sin was self reported.  It was not a capital offense. And yes, I DO trust Buzz more than the AD and MU admin to insure BB success at MU.

Fair enough.

If we don't see a lawsuit, will you be satisfied that he did indeed lie, and MU had cause to fire him?

My guess is that MU wouldn't just fire a guy for no reason (unless it's because LW is a Domer and has been sent to ruin MU, that's a good reason).

[Pakuni]

I hope we do see a lawsuit and get to hear the other side of the story.  As for Buzz running the program as he sees fit, yeah, I do think that is a good idea within NCAA parameters.  And in this case, when the parameters were exceeded, the very minor sin was self reported.  It was not a capital offense. And yes, I DO trust Buzz more than the AD and MU admin to insure BB success at MU.

You hope Marquette gets sued by the coach who broke the rules then lied about it?
Ummm, OK.
I suspect the Scott Monarch pity party you're trying to organize will not be well attended.

[KenoshaWarrior]

WRONG!!!!! He was fired because he lied about what he did. The NCAA will come down with wrath of a 1,000 suns over lying and MU knows that. You can't keep liars on your staff.

Yes im sure the NCAA would really give the wrath over lying about a t-shirt 

[ATWizJr]

Why? Because you like him?

No, because he has proven to be successful.

[ATWizJr]

You hope Marquette gets sued by the coach who broke the rules then lied about it?
Ummm, OK.
I suspect the Scott Monarch pity party you're trying to organize will not be well attended.

I hope we get to hear the other side of the story, not just the one that MU has spun to cover their overreaction. 

[KenoshaWarrior]

Why are you trying to save the job of an athletic department employee who lied several times on several occasions to the people in his own department and others later hired by that department to do an independent investigation into the matter?

Is there some level of corruption in the basketball program that you think must be maintained for MU to remain competitive?

Yeah, MU may have been able to keep Monarch on staff, as far as the NCAA was concerned.  But, why in hell would they want to retain a proven liar on staff.  Next time what if MU doesn't discover the lie and doesn't self report the infraction?  What happens when its found by the NCAA enforcement staff instead?  Damn, wake up.

As state before all of lie almost daily at our jobs.  I lie to customers almost daily.

"So How is your shift going today"
'Pretty good'

Some times my shift is terrible.  White lie  who cares!!

[KenoshaWarrior]

Didn't I also read that MU gave Monarch the option of resigning and elected to be fired?  Is that true or was it speculation here?

What is the difference.  At the end he lost his job anyways.   Why even give someone such a silly option.   Thats like the state giving a death role inmate and option of how he wants to do die.  What does it matter; the result is the same

[Pakuni]

Yes im sure the NCAA would really give the wrath over lying about a t-shirt  

You do realize that Bruce Pearl is out of work for lying about a cookout, right?
And that Jim Tressel is out of work for lying about tattoos.

But yeah, the NCAA is totally cool with lying about clothing. Just not tattoos and BBQs.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

As state before all of lie almost daily at our jobs.  I lie to customers almost daily.

"So How is your shift going today"
'Pretty good'

Some times my shift is terrible.  White lie  who cares!!

The problem is, giving a recruit ANYTHING, and then lying about it, is a cardinal rule of recruiting.

You can't have asst. coaches out on the road deciding on the fly what they can/can't give away to recruits. It has to be a hard and fast rule. Nothing.

IF something happens, you have to report it. If you lie about it, it appears like maybe more things went wrong.

EXAMPLE:
If you get caught sleeping in your truck, and you lie to your boss, and he has proof you are lying, you are probably going to get fired.