If Buzz left, then

[BCHoopster]

whom is out there for the picking.  If this is the final straw for Buzz firing his best friend, next year MU will need a new coach.  The administration will have an extremely hard time
finding the next Buzz.  It was hard when Al left, it will be the same with Buzz.  Good luck LW then!  MU is not an elite program, Top 20 for now, to get to the next level is incredibly
hard, even to stay where MU is right now is difficult.  Lets hope what has happened here has not soured Buzz, time will tell.   Does anybody remember the mid 80's and 90's, pretty
bad.

[KenoshaWarrior]

Dear Larry: 

If Buzz leaves so to does.


1. Duane Wilson
2. Deontae Burton
3. McKay
4. Any possibility of getting Diamond Stone.

Dont be a moron Larry!!!

[NersEllenson]

Dear Larry: 

If Buzz leaves so to does.


1. Duane Wilson
2. Deontae Burton
3. McKay
4. Any possibility of getting Diamond Stone.

Dont be a moron Larry!!!

It's too late...

[Blackhat]

Not the best time to be messing with happy either with all this conference realignment stuff going on.


Oh well, all good things......

[muwarrior69]

It's too late...

I agree, but hope we're wrong.

[GGGG]

Dear Larry: 

If Buzz leaves so to does.


1. Duane Wilson
2. Deontae Burton
3. McKay
4. Any possibility of getting Diamond Stone.

I also heard that if Buzz leaves, the earth will open and swallow up the University too.

Seriously, you guys act like MU never did anything before Buzz got here.  If Wilson, Burton and MaKay sign their NLIs, they will likely be here.  And what if they simply promote a guy like Chew?

Act like you have been there before.

[muhoops1]

Why doesn't anyone hold Buzz accountable?  While MU has played good basketball too many other things have occurred under his watch.  Buzz's holy roller image is starting to appear more like Jimmy Swaggert (must be 40+ for that reference).  While not terrible infractions it is obvious the standards have changed and he needs to adjust or move on.

I love that MU is good, but if he is constantly at odds with the AD and Father P go get another multi million dollar contract.

[dw3dw3dw3]

If we land Nunn with Burton, McKay, and Wilson (assuming they are all admitted)... does anyone actually think Buzz would leave next summer over some disagreements with his Boss? He's a coach and above all else, I'm sure winning motivates him more than anything. Those sort of classes don't just land in your lap at SEC schools. This isn't TC leaving one year before the roster would be NIT quality (sorry Lazar). Buzz leaving would be the equivalent of TC signing a class better than the three amigos and leaving the summer they got here for some lateral move.   

Monarch will land on his feet somewhere, Buzz has too many connections.

I'm with the crowd that says the penalty is ok and Buzz will deal with it. The newspaper articles annoy me, with their references to each past movement of the team, but I'm not sure that's in MU's control.

[Pakuni]

Why doesn't anyone hold Buzz accountable?  While MU has played good basketball too many other things have occurred under his watch.  Buzz's holy roller image is starting to appear more like Jimmy Swaggert (must be 40+ for that reference).  While not terrible infractions it is obvious the standards have changed and he needs to adjust or move on.

I love that MU is good, but if he is constantly at odds with the AD and Father P go get another multi million dollar contract.

I like Buzz and, barring something really bad happening, hope he stays "as long as the university will have him."

But I'm also completely OK with the administration taking stock of some of the negatives of the past two years and telling Buzz he needs to do all he can to squash that kind of stuff. If Buzz is who he says he is, he would agree. I can't imagine that Buzz Williams is happy when his name and reputation are linked to arrests, assault claims, rules violations, suspensions, etc.
And if the suggestion that some "rough edges" need to be cleaned up is so offensive to Buzz that it causes him to leave, then MU will be fine without him.

[77ncaachamps]

Why doesn't anyone hold Buzz accountable?  While MU has played good basketball too many other things have occurred under his watch.  Buzz's holy roller image is starting to appear more like Jimmy Swaggert (must be 40+ for that reference).  While not terrible infractions it is obvious the standards have changed and he needs to adjust or move on.

I love that MU is good, but if he is constantly at odds with the AD and Father P go get another multi million dollar contract.

What evidence is there that he's at odds with the AD and Fr. Pilarz? Has he stated it? Have they acknowledged it?

With the prominent status of Marquette's basketball program, it shouldn't be oppositional decision-making rather a collective decision-making. They may not agree on all points, but at least they're talking to each other while sitting at the same table.

I understand LW's position. Initially, I thought the one-game suspension of Buzz was overboard but perception is reality. And if sitting Buzz down for one game gives the perception that LW and BW are dealing with the issue, then so be it. Unfortunately, Monarch's lying combined with Taylor's departure and the other off-court shenanigans continues to blur the image of Marquette basketball.

It appears to me that Buzz loves being with his players and his players for the most part reciprocate. That player-coach relationship is what he really uses to get the most out of his clubs.

Winning solves a lot of things and definitely helps to clear the air of this stink.
Let's hope MU wins early and often.

[KenoshaWarrior]

I also heard that if Buzz leaves, the earth will open and swallow up the University too.

Seriously, you guys act like MU never did anything before Buzz got here.  If Wilson, Burton and MaKay sign their NLIs, they will likely be here.  And what if they simply promote a guy like Chew?

Act like you have been there before.

It does not matter if they sign their NLI.  The school will release them from the NLI cause thats what schools do (with the exception of Madison) and they will go somewhere else.   Athletes do not commit to schools like they did in the 1960's they commit to coaches.

[madtownwarrior]

Can we just have a pinned  thread that captures the following points as FACTS when anything happens to the MU program:

1)  Golden-Domer AD is incompetent and secretly wants to ruin MU basketball since he is unaware of the importance of Basketball to MU
2)  All local media have an anti-MU bias
3)  Pilarz and and LW are at odds with Buzz and putting the screws to him in hopes he leaves
4)  Buzz is going to leave at next possible viable for him open opportunity
5)  MU basketball is going to suffer for the next 30 years once Buzz leaves

and 6)  "don't mess with happy," as damn it, MU is winning and there is nothing going on in the program that requires any scrutiny that Buzz himself might think needs correcting

[Lennys Tap]

Seriously, you guys act like MU never did anything before Buzz got here.  If Wilson, Burton and MaKay sign their NLIs, they will likely be here.  And what if they simply promote a guy like Chew?

Act like you have been there before.

So you think it's likely we'd keep all 3 top recruits if Buzz left and we hired a virtually unknown assistant who would have been at MU for all of 1 year? Is that because that's what happened the last time MU followed that script? Wait...

[NersEllenson]

I also heard that if Buzz leaves, the earth will open and swallow up the University too.

Seriously, you guys act like MU never did anything before Buzz got here.  If Wilson, Burton and MaKay sign their NLIs, they will likely be here.  And what if they simply promote a guy like Chew?

Act like you have been there before.

For every Al McGuire and Buzz Williams there are Bob Dukiets and Mike Deane's. MU is on the doorstep of being elite again, has arguably the best coach under 40 and is on the verge of running him off.  When you've worked as hard as Buzz has to get to this position, you aren't going to put up with the b.s. the current admin is imposing...when u could go elsewhere and be welcomed and appreciated by the administration. Other than the sex assault allegations...the rest of the "incidents" are chicken littles...overblown only by some overly self righteous types...and we need to act like we've been there before...no reason to knee jerk and go way overboard in "correcting" the "issues."

[Goose]

I would think if Buzz left it would be very difficult to keep the incoming recruits. Kids go to schools for many reasons and the coach is big part of that. Let's hope we do not need to worry about that after the upcoming season.

[Pakuni]

So you think it's likely we'd keep all 3 top recruits if Buzz left and we hired a virtually unknown assistant who would have been at MU for all of 1 year? Is that because that's what happened the last time MU followed that script? Wait...

Losing MU's top recruits after Crean left was ruination for the program.
Oh, wait ....

Some of you guys act like Buzz Williams is uniquely qualified to succeed at MU. Tom Crean did very well at MU. Kevin O'Neill - with far more disadvantages than either Crean or Buzz faced - built a program that I believe would have gone to multiple Sweet 16s and perhaps beyond had he stayed.
I very much want Buzz to stay, but if he leaves there are other quality coaches out there who also can succeed here.

[madtownwarrior]

funny the same people now wanting LW's head on a stick also wanted Cottingham's head on a stick for bungling the head coaching hire with Buzz...

Losing MU's top recruits after Crean left was ruination for the program.
Oh, wait ....

[Lennys Tap]

Losing MU's top recruits after Crean left was ruination for the program.
Oh, wait ....

Some of you guys act like Buzz Williams is uniquely qualified to succeed at MU. Tom Crean did very well at MU. Kevin O'Neill - with far more disadvantages than either Crean or Buzz faced - built a program that I believe would have gone to multiple Sweet 16s and perhaps beyond had he stayed.
I very much want Buzz to stay, but if he leaves there are other quality coaches out there who also can succeed here.

All I said was that assuming that we would retain our top recruits if Buzz left was a dumb assumption based on what we saw only a few years ago. Nothing more. Why quote my post if you're not interested in talking about what is in it?

[GGGG]

So you think it's likely we'd keep all 3 top recruits if Buzz left and we hired a virtually unknown assistant who would have been at MU for all of 1 year? Is that because that's what happened the last time MU followed that script? Wait...

Those recruits weren't from Milwaukee...which is a big reason why this bunch committed to Marquette in the first place.

[Lennys Tap]

Those recruits weren't from Milwaukee...which is a big reason why this bunch committed to Marquette in the first place.

Good point, though I think the biggest reason was Buzz. I'd be willing to put my money where my mouth is - no Buzz, no 3 amigos part 2.

[ATWizJr]

I also heard that if Buzz leaves, the earth will open and swallow up the University too.

Seriously, you guys act like MU never did anything before Buzz got here.  If Wilson, Burton and MaKay sign their NLIs, they will likely be here.  And what if they simply promote a guy like Chew?

Act like you have been there before.

Been there before. Didn't like it. Don't want to repeat the experience.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

funny the same people now wanting LW's head on a stick also wanted Cottingham's head on a stick for bungling the head coaching hire with Buzz...

Come on...Cottingham didn't hire Buzz. Strong did, on the recommendation of the horse's ass sexter who preceded him.

[bilsu]

I think this is a storm that will blow over, except if there are more problems after this. My expectations are that Buzz will be here for several more years. However, if he did leave after this year I would expect most of 2013's class to request to be released. That should be granted as long as they do not follow Buzz to a different school. Besides that none of them will sign in November unless Buzz assures them he will be here. A decommitment would be a bad sign.

[NersEllenson]

Losing MU's top recruits after Crean left was ruination for the program.
Oh, wait ....

Some of you guys act like Buzz Williams is uniquely qualified to succeed at MU. Tom Crean did very well at MU. Kevin O'Neill - with far more disadvantages than either Crean or Buzz faced - built a program that I believe would have gone to multiple Sweet 16s and perhaps beyond had he stayed.
I very much want Buzz to stay, but if he leaves there are other quality coaches out there who also can succeed here.

You lament Kevin O'Neill leaving...and what could have been.  Think that is really all those of us in the Buzz camp are concerned about - that we have a rising star coach once again - and he could leave..and it seems the admin isnt exactly helping to keep Buzz happy.  I'd rather not have to deal with a crap shoot hire and the unknown versus keeping a proven winner.

[nathanziarek]

You lament Kevin O'Neill leaving...and what could have been.  Think that is really all those of us in the Buzz camp are concerned about - that we have a rising star coach once again - and he could leave..and it seems the admin isnt exactly helping to keep Buzz happy.  I'd rather not have to deal with a crap shoot hire and the unknown versus keeping a proven winner.

Where are we getting any evidence at all that Buzz is (a) unhappy or (b) that the administration is trying to make him miserable?

While we're making stuff up, lets add this:

• Buzz suggested his own suspension to prove to the team no one is above the law
• Buzz, after seeing the evidence, was given the choice to suspend Monarch, but chose to release him
• Buzz, agreeing with the administration that the bad publicity is not helping the program, requested an operational change, placing underclassmen in a different dorm and raising the bar on GPA.

After all, at least my made-up items match what many of think about Buzz. He's a high moral caliber guy. That doesn't make him perfect. That doesn't make him value life lessons over winning. But it certainly shouldn't make him pissed that he's being held to a standard (and, honestly, a pretty low one at that).