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GGGG

#1
Yes...but there are red flags with him leaving Kansas after taking summer school classes there.  And regardless, with only one scholarship available for next year (assuming Otule's return), I am hesitant to give it to Doyle with some of the talent we are recruiting.  If Mayo wouldn't have been returning, I would have felt differently.

Aughnanure

From what I heard from KU people, Doyle was an emergency pickup for them last year when a few kids got injured and a few (Ben Mclemore) were declared ineligible. There was always an assumption he would eventually leave cause he would never be talented enough to warrant playing time.
“All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity; but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act out their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible.” - T.E. Lawrence

GGGG

Quote from: Aughnanure on August 20, 2012, 10:10:17 AM
From what I heard from KU people, Doyle was an emergency pickup for them last year when a few kids got injured and a few (Ben Mclemore) were declared ineligible. There was always an assumption he would eventually leave cause he would never be talented enough to warrant playing time.


Doyle just committed to Kansas in June and was down there for classes this summer.

I think you are mixing him up with another MU target, Mervyn Lindsay.  Lindsay originally verballed to Texas Tech, signed with KU in June 2011, and then transferred to New Mexico.

Aughnanure

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 20, 2012, 10:58:00 AM

Doyle just committed to Kansas in June and was down there for classes this summer.

I think you are mixing him up with another MU target, Mervyn Lindsay.  Lindsay originally verballed to Texas Tech, signed with KU in June 2011, and then transferred to New Mexico.

Dammit, yeah that's who I was referring to.
“All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity; but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act out their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible.” - T.E. Lawrence

77ncaachamps

Wasnt Doyle a kid Chew had mentioned MU was recruited (when Chew first signed on at MU)?
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bilsu

I know he wanted to go to KU, if they had a scholarship available. Is he leaving because he does not fit or is he leaving because they did not have a scholarship for him?

GGGG

Quote from: 77ncaachamps on August 20, 2012, 12:03:42 PM
Wasnt Doyle a kid Chew had mentioned MU was recruited (when Chew first signed on at MU)?

Yes. They thought he would be his first visitor to campus.


Quote from: bilsu on August 20, 2012, 12:05:40 PM
I know he wanted to go to KU, if they had a scholarship available. Is he leaving because he does not fit or is he leaving because they did not have a scholarship for him?

They had a scholarship for him and he was taking classes this summer.

Wade for President

Don't know how good Doyle would be, but could be payback to KU for MU losing Tyshawn Taylor. ;)

brewcity77

Haven't heard any specifics, but this sounds like one to avoid. He passed the clearinghouse, was enrolled in classes, and they had room. No idea what the issues were, but considering how many others we're in on, I think we're better off staying away.

TheGym

It sounds like Self sat down with the kid and told him he was not going to play.  Doyle then decided to pursue other opportunities.  This type of stuff happens outside of MU too, who would have thought?

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/08/20/3770938/self-doyle-felt-leaving-ku-was.html

Pakuni

#11
There don't seem to be any "red flags" here. Instead what's here seems to be a kid who had an offer to play for an elite program and took it, only to get to campus and learn he's likely in for riding the pines, maybe for four years.
That being the case, it makes far more sense for him to leave now and get a chance to play elsewhere right away, than sit on the bench for a year, transfer and then sit out another year.

Though I won't rip Self here, I'm pretty sure the message he delivered to Doyle Sunday about "his role in the program" was different from the one Self delivered when recruiting the kid.

Dawson Rental

Quote from: Pakuni on August 21, 2012, 09:57:29 AM
There don't seem to be any "red flags" here. Instead what's here seems to be a kid who had an offer to play for an elite program and took it, only to get to campus and learn he's likely in for riding the pines, maybe for four years.
That being the case, it makes far more sense for him to leave now and get a chance to play elsewhere right away, than sit on the bench for a year, transfer and then sit out another year.

Though I won't rip Self here, I'm pretty sure the message he delivered to Doyle Sunday about "his role in the program" was different from the one Self delivered when recruiting the kid.

It seems to me to be somewhat like our situation with Roseboro, the school is happy to get a kid then sees him playing with his teammates over the summer and realizes that he's not the player that the school thought he was, and the player realizes that he's in for a lot of bench time and moves on.  With Kansas' trip to Europe this summer, both sides got an even better view of what the future holds then they otherwise would have.
You actually have a degree from Marquette?

Quote from: muguru
No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.

kmwtrucks

Possible suitors for Milton Doyle
9:38
AM ETMilton Doyle Recommend0Comments0EmailIt's still unclear how much interest Kansas transfer Milton Doyle will generate; on one hand, signing with a powerhouse program like KU may have elevated his stock, but on the other hand his decision to quickly transfer could make teams hesitant to go after him.

Dave Reynolds of the Journal Star tweets that Bradley, a school Doyle visited in April, is out of scholarships and probably not an option. But Reynolds quickly adds, "Look for Illinois State, Loyola, Southern Illinois and Marquette to bid for him."

We'll keep you posted when we hear more about Doyle's possible landing spots in the days and weeks ahead.

- Joe Kaiser

4everwarriors

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GGGG

I really doubt the Bradley basketball beat writer has a firm handle on where he might go.  He probably Googled up the old Bullseye Brothers article like the rest of us.

OTOH, its kind of sad that the Bradley beat writer in Peoria has a better twitter presence that Enlund does.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: Pakuni on August 21, 2012, 09:57:29 AM
There don't seem to be any "red flags" here. Instead what's here seems to be a kid who had an offer to play for an elite program and took it, only to get to campus and learn he's likely in for riding the pines, maybe for four years.
That being the case, it makes far more sense for him to leave now and get a chance to play elsewhere right away, than sit on the bench for a year, transfer and then sit out another year.

Though I won't rip Self here, I'm pretty sure the message he delivered to Doyle Sunday about "his role in the program" was different from the one Self delivered when recruiting the kid.

Whether he's just in over his head (Roseboro) or just generally unhappy, I agree that a leave ASAP rather than later outcome is better for the player and the program.

As for Self (or any other coach), I have no idea if his message to Doyle changed or if Doyle's feelings changed after seeing what he was up against. He was an April signing and Kansas appeared to be a bit of a stretch for him. Some thrive when they're thrown into that sort of a situation. Most don't.

GGGG

Not even April.  He committed to Kansas in mid-June.

Pakuni

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 22, 2012, 12:28:14 PM
Not even April.  He committed to Kansas in mid-June.

True, but Kansas had been recruiting him before then. Regardless of the timeline, I'm willing to bet what Self told him in his recruiting pitch was different from what Self told him when they talked Sunday.
I'm not necessarily blaming Self here - recruiting mistakes happen - but it's hard to paint Doyle in a negative light. He obviously had reason to believe he had an opportunity to play at KU. In all probability, that belief was a result of what the coaches at KU told him (and the fact they recruited him and offered a scholarship). Something happened since to persuade Doyle that opportunity no longer existed, and that was the topic of his talk with Self on Sunday.
Self's not a bad guy for giving Doyle the lay of the land. But Doyle's not a red flag for hearing that and deciding to go elsewhere.

GGGG

Here is the Self quote:

"We discussed his options, and the first option was welcoming him back for the fall. His leaving is entirely his own choice, one that he felt was best for his future. We expected him to be here, but he thought it was better for him to go to a place where he had a better opportunity to impact a program early in his career"

The way I view this is that it's about playing time.  Is Doyle going to get that at MU....especially after sitting out a year?

Pakuni

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Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 22, 2012, 12:45:13 PM
Here is the Self quote:

"We discussed his options, and the first option was welcoming him back for the fall. His leaving is entirely his own choice, one that he felt was best for his future. We expected him to be here, but he thought it was better for him to go to a place where he had a better opportunity to impact a program early in his career"

The way I view this is that it's about playing time.  Is Doyle going to get that at MU....especially after sitting out a year?

Obviously it's about playing time. Probably 80+ percent of transfers are about playing time.

Are you sure he would have to sit as year? According to the NCAA transfer guide, you're only a transfer if you've been enrolled during "a regular academic term. Summer does not count."

Bocephys

Quote from: kmwtrucks on August 22, 2012, 12:12:41 PM
Possible suitors for Milton Doyle
9:38
AM ETMilton Doyle Recommend0Comments0EmailIt's still unclear how much interest Kansas transfer Milton Doyle will generate; on one hand, signing with a powerhouse program like KU may have elevated his stock, but on the other hand his decision to quickly transfer could make teams hesitant to go after him.

Dave Reynolds of the Journal Star tweets that Bradley, a school Doyle visited in April, is out of scholarships and probably not an option. But Reynolds quickly adds, "Look for Illinois State, Loyola, Southern Illinois and Marquette to bid for him."

We'll keep you posted when we hear more about Doyle's possible landing spots in the days and weeks ahead.

- Joe Kaiser

I like that there's no pretense anymore about what it takes to recruit.

GGGG

Quote from: Pakuni on August 22, 2012, 12:51:35 PM
Obviously it's about playing time. Probably 80+ percent of transfers are about playing time.

Are you sure he would have to sit as year? According to the NCAA transfer guide, you're only a transfer if you've been enrolled during "a regular academic term. Summer does not count."


Hmmmm....you are probably right.  I thought he had to, but Roseboro played right away so I guess Doyle could too.

But he wouldn't play much at MU this year.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 22, 2012, 12:45:13 PM
Here is the Self quote:

"We discussed his options, and the first option was welcoming him back for the fall. His leaving is entirely his own choice, one that he felt was best for his future. We expected him to be here, but he thought it was better for him to go to a place where he had a better opportunity to impact a program early in his career"

The way I view this is that it's about playing time.  Is Doyle going to get that at MU....especially after sitting out a year?

"He thought it was better for him to go to a place where he had a better opportunity to impact a program early in his career". Maybe Self and his staff sold a late signing, non top 100 guard that he could "impact the program" as a freshman - I have no idea how bare the guard cupboard is Kansas this year. But I'd say it's just as likely Doyle had stars in his head and was so enamored with being recruited by Kansas he heard what he wanted to hear. Maybe it was "you'll be given the chance to compete" and it rang hollow after he saw what he was up against. Nothing against the young man for chasing his dream, though. Basically no harm, no foul that it didn't work out.

GGGG

Mark Miller just tweeted that he is considering Loyola and Green Bay "among others."  Doubt he is even on our radar.

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