TJ Taylor withdraws from MU

[Dawson Rental]

I think paint touches is wrong. My understanding is that you cannot accept any benefit if you aren't cleared. He was living on campus.

I swear that I remember players starting the first semester while still waiting to be cleared in the past.  I remember hearing how the basketball players had to wait because the NCAA spent the summer prioritizing clearing the football guys.

[GGGG]

I'm just basing it on the conversations regarding mayo from last year.  That's why he wasn't around during the summer. 

[bilsu]

I swear that I remember players starting the first semester while still waiting to be cleared in the past.  I remember hearing how the basketball players had to wait because the NCAA spent the summer prioritizing clearing the football guys.

Hayward was one of them. He had to pay his own way until cleared.

[Lennys Tap]

I think paint touches is wrong. My understanding is that you cannot accept any benefit if you aren't cleared. He was living on campus.

Paint Touches may well be wrong, but should we be calling someone out for "making stuff up" (Ammo directly, others indirectly) who uses Paint Touches as a source?

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Paint Touches may well be wrong, but should we be calling someone out for "making stuff up" (Ammo directly, others indirectly) who uses Paint Touches as a source?

I'll go on record:

I'm sensitive about this type of stuff because immediate speculation without some facts leads to a bunch on nonsense, and honestly reflects poorly on everybody here.

We don't know anything about TJT (yet). But, that won't stop us from saying that maybe LW ran him off campus because TJT couldn't make the grades, or maybe Buzz ran him off because TJT wasn't tough enough.

I mean, really?

Paint Touches had tweet about the clearinghouse, which is far different than implying that MU Academic-Gestapo ran him out of school.

Maybe Larry and Pilarz carried his bunk out in the middle of the night like Willie Mays Hayes.

[bilsu]

I think a clearing house issue would have been mentioned. Besides that there was plently of time to straighten out a clearing house issue. We had that with Mbao and Hayward that went into September. Other school's players have had clearing house issues go into September. It is just not logical to think it is a clearing house issue. I do not know, but my guess home sickness along with an injured shoulder just made him think it was not worth it.

[Lennys Tap]

I'll go on record:

I'm sensitive about this type of stuff because immediate speculation without some facts leads to a bunch on nonsense, and honestly reflects poorly on everybody here.

We don't know anything about TJT (yet). But, that won't stop us from saying that maybe LW ran him off campus because TJT couldn't make the grades, or maybe Buzz ran him off because TJT wasn't tough enough.

I mean, really?

Paint Touches had tweet about the clearinghouse, which is far different than implying that MU Academic-Gestapo ran him out of school.

Maybe Larry and Pilarz carried his bunk out in the middle of the night like Willie Mays Hayes.

I mean, really? This is by far the most over the top, off the wall post in the entire thread.

[Nukem2]

I think a clearing house issue would have been mentioned. Besides that there was plently of time to straighten out a clearing house issue. We had that with Mbao and Hayward that went into September. Other school's players have had clearing house issues go into September. It is just not logical to think it is a clearing house issue. I do not know, but my guess home sickness along with an injured shoulder just made him think it was not worth it.

TJ was a qualifier out of HS in going to OK, so I really don't think he would be subject to the NCAAs 2-4 rules for transfer...?  Besides, he was already on campus, so MU would have checked that out.  He would need transferable credits to meet his MU requirements though.  In the end, its for whatever personal reasons as Buzz said.

[jmayer1]

It's getting a little annoying to hear about all these departures. I'm a big Buzz guy, but this turnover is ridiculous. By my count, 10 of the 26 guys that Buzz has signed up to the current class have either left or not made it to campus (Mbao, Roseboro, Maymom, E Williams, Smith, Jones, Newbill, T Taylor, Durley, McMorrow). This doesn't include Mayo which seems like a 50/50 bet to be on the team next year. Not to mention that fact that a lot of the remaining guys haven't completed their eligibility yet, so who knows how many more of that remaining 11 will leave (Butler, Fulce, Buycks, DJO, and Jae are done) before their eligibility is up. I know some of these have underlying circumstance and it's understandable that a team will have some transfers as not all 13 guys can play, but I can't imagine their are many high-level teams that have as much turnover as this. Some roster turnover is expected, but this is becoming somewhat of a disturbing trend in my opinion.


This does also not include Hazel, N Williams, Ty Taylor, Mbakwe, Christopherson. None of those guys were signed by Buzz and I think almost everybody gives Buzz a pass on those guys, especially since 3 of them never even played a game under Buzz (Mbakwe) or asked for their release when Buzz became coach (N Williams, Ty Taylor)

[Dr. Blackheart]

TJ was a qualifier out of HS in going to OK, so I really don't think he would be subject to the NCAAs 2-4 rules for transfer...?  Besides, he was already on campus, so MU would have checked that out.  He would need transferable credits to meet his MU requirements though.  In the end, its for whatever personal reasons as Buzz said.

And Marquette stated he had "withdrawn" from school...so clearly not about admittance or qualifying issues.

[Otule's Glass Eye]

This isnt a good way to wake up.  . Wasnt on here yesterday so I didnt here this news. Found his girlfriends twitter.

Emily Thompson ✌‏@emilyyynichole

@chenz80 are you serious?! I'm the LAST reason he came home. You might wanna learn the facts before you speak! I wanted him to stay...

[Otule's Glass Eye]

Mike_Thiel

#mubb RT @prepbullseye: Marquette AC Isaac Chew joins Buzz Williams courtside to watch Meanstreets 6'2 '13 2G Kendrick Nunn their top target

about 1 hour ago

[Skatastrophy]

Mike_Thiel

#mubb RT @prepbullseye: Marquette AC Isaac Chew joins Buzz Williams courtside to watch Meanstreets 6'2 '13 2G Kendrick Nunn their top target

about 1 hour ago

That get would turn this offseason from a C into an A very quickly.

[Bocephys]

That get would turn this offseason from a C into an A very quickly.

Exactly, everyone will forget to be "outraged" about this in due time.

[MUBurrow]

Mike_Thiel

#mubb RT @prepbullseye: Marquette AC Isaac Chew joins Buzz Williams courtside to watch Meanstreets 6'2 '13 2G Kendrick Nunn their top target

about 1 hour ago

As long as we're just throwing crap at the wall, I want to throw another suggestion out there. I don't think that just one thing is reason Taylor left, but another possibility to add to the others is that maybe there's a very good chance Mayo won't be back, and things are going well with Nunn (hell maybe things are going well with Nunn even if Mayo will be back). This left Taylor feeling immediately recruited over, and he saw the writing on the wall that there would be little time for him if Nunn came and next to none if both Nunn and Mayo were on the roster.

[lurch91]

This isnt a good way to wake up.  . Wasnt on here yesterday so I didnt here this news. Found his girlfriends twitter.

Emily Thompson ✌‏@emilyyynichole

@chenz80 are you serious?! I'm the LAST reason he came home. You might wanna learn the facts before you speak! I wanted him to stay...

If that is legit, sounds like it was TJT's decision,  and just his, to leave.

[GGGG]

Buzz and chew would be watching nunn no matter if TJT left or not. They are not linked.

[MUBurrow]

Buzz and chew would be watching nunn no matter if TJT left or not. They are not linked.

maybe not for Buzz/Chew/the program, but maybe for TJT they are?

[Nukem2]

It's getting a little annoying to hear about all these departures. I'm a big Buzz guy, but this turnover is ridiculous. By my count, 10 of the 26 guys that Buzz has signed up to the current class have either left or not made it to campus (Mbao, Roseboro, Maymom, E Williams, Smith, Jones, Newbill, T Taylor, Durley, McMorrow). This doesn't include Mayo which seems like a 50/50 bet to be on the team next year. Not to mention that fact that a lot of the remaining guys haven't completed their eligibility yet, so who knows how many more of that remaining 11 will leave (Butler, Fulce, Buycks, DJO, and Jae are done) before their eligibility is up. I know some of these have underlying circumstance and it's understandable that a team will have some transfers as not all 13 guys can play, but I can't imagine their are many high-level teams that have as much turnover as this. Some roster turnover is expected, but this is becoming somewhat of a disturbing trend in my opinion.


This does also not include Hazel, N Williams, Ty Taylor, Mbakwe, Christopherson. None of those guys were signed by Buzz and I think almost everybody gives Buzz a pass on those guys, especially since 3 of them never even played a game under Buzz (Mbakwe) or asked for their release when Buzz became coach (N Williams, Ty Taylor)

10 of 26 is less than the 40% national turnover rate over 2 year time frames that writers having bieen noting recently.  Sound like MU is rather average.

[Spotcheck Billy]

10 of 26 is less than the 40% national turnover rate over 2 year time frames that writers having bieen noting recently.  Sound like MU is rather average.

you beat me to posting the same

[bilsu]

I do think being recruited over may be part of it. We already have two players committed for 2013 that I would expect to get playing time ahead of him. Also, McKay, if you project him as a small forward. It certainly looks like MU is still recruiting other guards for 2013 that could also get playing time ahead of Taylor. Taylor seeing that would either have to leave now, so he does not have to sit out and lose a year or accept the likely hood he would be a bench warmer. That of course is making the assumption that he is not a great player.

[Clam Crowder]

Opinions are great and it can make this board a lot of fun. But when you write something like your first two sentences, my shoulders cringe at the idiocy.

Couple that with your (and others') pestering of the kid through Twitter and it's no shock to see people suck hard these days.

Pestering on twitter? Twitter is made for communication, it is a social network...I asked him a question. I saw that stuff on twitter myself, I think it could have contributed to it. Paint Touches addressed the clearinghouse. As I said before I am saying what I saw.

[Clam Crowder]

I'll go on record:

I'm sensitive about this type of stuff because immediate speculation without some facts leads to a bunch on nonsense, and honestly reflects poorly on everybody here.

We don't know anything about TJT (yet). But, that won't stop us from saying that maybe LW ran him off campus because TJT couldn't make the grades, or maybe Buzz ran him off because TJT wasn't tough enough.

I mean, really?

Paint Touches had tweet about the clearinghouse, which is far different than implying that MU Academic-Gestapo ran him out of school.

Maybe Larry and Pilarz carried his bunk out in the middle of the night like Willie Mays Hayes.

Yeah the New York Times, ESPN, and Chicago Tribune reference this website. We wouldn't want to speculate falsely on anything on here. It is an anonymous message board. If something reflects negatively on the username of an individual they make a new one. I mean really? Gestapo is not a synonym for President and Athletic director, and I would hardly qualify the AD as a member of Marquette University's Academic Leaders.

In addition I am almost 100% positive Kiwi Gardner did not qualify/ wasn't cleared at Providence last year and stayed the whole basketball season.

[jmayer1]

you beat me to posting the same

Yeah, actually I guess I have seen that figure as well. I stand corrected, maybe it just seems like a lot to me. I felt more squirmy than I should have! (although there are still 11 players that could leave and 1 more would put us over the average)

[LAZER]

It's getting a little annoying to hear about all these departures. I'm a big Buzz guy, but this turnover is ridiculous. By my count, 10 of the 26 guys that Buzz has signed up to the current class have either left or not made it to campus (Mbao, Roseboro, Maymom, E Williams, Smith, Jones, Newbill, T Taylor, Durley, McMorrow). This doesn't include Mayo which seems like a 50/50 bet to be on the team next year. Not to mention that fact that a lot of the remaining guys haven't completed their eligibility yet, so who knows how many more of that remaining 11 will leave (Butler, Fulce, Buycks, DJO, and Jae are done) before their eligibility is up. I know some of these have underlying circumstance and it's understandable that a team will have some transfers as not all 13 guys can play, but I can't imagine their are many high-level teams that have as much turnover as this. Some roster turnover is expected, but this is becoming somewhat of a disturbing trend in my opinion.
under Buzz (Mbakwe) or asked for their release when Buzz became coach (N Williams, Ty Taylor)

I'm with you on this one, but I think we're in the minority here.