With this looming cataclysm...

[Blackhat]

I would like to thank muguru and sultan and everyone else who fought in this movement.

WE DID IT!!

WE stopped the tyranny of unfair academic practices and incongruent academic standards.   

YES WE CAN AND YES WE DID!!

Together with MUScoop which has provided us a forum to let the people's voices echo to the chambers of the MU BoT.


Hiroshima was not witnessed because OF YOU.   Continue to stand fast to continue our legacy of excellence on the basketball court.

[GGGG]

WTF are you talking about?  I never brought up anything about hiroshima in the first place.

[Blackhat]

Together we did it Sultan!

[Dawson Rental]

WTF are you talking about?  I never brought up anything about hiroshima in the first place.

Sultan,

We need to be patient with Stone Cold until the long term effects of constant exposure to fallout radiation from one's own signature line can be sufficiently studied.

[Canadian Dimes]

IWB has multiple media outlets?

translation any ding dong can start a website for $15 thru go daddy and call himself media.  Then when SMU contacts MU he can state that he thinks BUZZ is 60/40 gone.  Based on what?? 

fueling all this... IWB is no friend of the program.

[Blackhat]

translation any ding dong can start a website for $15 thru go daddy and call himself media.  Then when SMU contacts MU he can state that he thinks BUZZ is 60/40 gone.  Based on what??  

fueling all this... IWB is no friend of the program.

IWB is solid.   IWB has never been reckless with info.  Pretty obvious,  Buzz used IWB to air grievances. 

[Rubie Q]

IWB is solid.   IWB has never been reckless with info.  Pretty obvious,  Buzz used IWB to air grievances. 

Which IWB should've known Buzz was doing, instead of breathlessly reporting it as "Buzz to SMU is serious, he could really go."

[Canadian Dimes]

Which IWB should've known Buzz was doing, instead of breathlessly reporting it as "Buzz to SMU is serious, he could really go."

Might have....just might have SMU asked to speak to Buzz to see if he might be interested on a "it's worth a shot" attitutde, but also more importantly to discuss the candidacy of Tony benford?

[Pakuni]

IWB is solid.   IWB has never been reckless with info.  Pretty obvious,  Buzz used IWB to air grievances. 

Yes, yes, yes. This is what I said weeks ago when all that stuff was happening.

I don't doubt for a second IWB reported what he was told. I do doubt very much what he was told, i.e. that Buzz was this close to taking his talents to SMU, was accurate. Buzz used the SMU interest - the ensuing histrionics among many of the MU faithful - to establish his standing with the new guys.
Bully for him, I guess.

[Rubie Q]

Yes, yes, yes. This is what I said weeks ago when all that stuff was happening.

I don't doubt for a second IWB reported what he was told. I do doubt very much what he was told, i.e. that Buzz was this close to taking his talents to SMU, was accurate. Buzz used the SMU interest - the ensuing histrionics among many of the MU faithful - to establish his standing with the new guys.
Bully for him, I guess.

Right. Which means one of two things:

(a) IWB didn't see what Buzz was doing and got used; or

(b) IWB realized what Buzz was doing but didn't care, and used it to drive traffic to his new website.

Either way: I think what IWB "reports" should be taken with a grain of salt, going forward.

[MUBurrow]

Right. Which means one of two things:

(a) IWB didn't see what Buzz was doing and got used; or

(b) IWB realized what Buzz was doing but didn't care, and used it to drive traffic to his new website.

Either way: I think what IWB "reports" should be taken with a grain of salt, going forward.

That doesn't make any damn sense. Why would the only person with evidence of direct links to the program be the person you doubt the most?

[Benny B]

Yes, yes, yes. This is what I said weeks ago when all that stuff was happening.

I don't doubt for a second IWB reported what he was told. I do doubt very much what he was told, i.e. that Buzz was this close to taking his talents to SMU, was accurate. Buzz used the SMU interest - the ensuing histrionics among many of the MU faithful - to establish his standing with the new guys.
Bully for him, I guess.

Unlikely that it came from Buzz directly.  More than likely it came from someone "close" to the program, but perhaps someone who may or may not be a "part" of the program?  Buzz doesn't have any "people" per se, so IWB (and others) may need to rely upon third parties from time to time... some of who may have good information, some of who may be speculating.

[Blackhat]

If you guys remember the Illini fellas we're talking about discontent between Buzz and the higher ups before IWB confirmed.   Word was getting out a few places.

[Rubie Q]

Unlikely that it came from Buzz directly.  More than likely it came from someone "close" to the program, but perhaps someone who may or may not be a "part" of the program?  Buzz doesn't have any "people" per se, so IWB (and others) may need to rely upon third parties from time to time... some of who may have good information, some of who may be speculating.

But consider: who would know that SMU had been given permission to speak to Buzz, and that Buzz was seriously considering leaving?

It's a pretty limited universe of people.

[Pakuni]

Right. Which means one of two things:

(a) IWB didn't see what Buzz was doing and got used; or

(b) IWB realized what Buzz was doing but didn't care, and used it to drive traffic to his new website.

Either way: I think what IWB "reports" should be taken with a grain of salt, going forward.

Or (c) the success of IWB's endeavor greatly relies on his access to sources like Buzz, so you do what you can to keep them happy and/or (d) IWB had a scoop and ran with it.
I don't ascribe any nefarious or greedy motives here. IWB had a story and went with it.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Or (c) the success of IWB's endeavor greatly relies on his access to sources like Buzz, so you do what you can to keep them happy and/or (d) IWB had a scoop and ran with it.
I don't ascribe any nefarious or greedy motives here. IWB had a story and went with it.

+1.

If people want to rip somebody for the IWB story, rip whoever leaked it to him.

That person may or may not be Buzz Williams.

[Rubie Q]

If people want to rip somebody for the IWB story, rip whoever leaked it to him.

That person may or may not be Buzz Williams.

I don't understand this.

If Enlund had run the same story, and it turned out to be bunk, would we just blame Enlund's source?

[Lennys Tap]

Yes, yes, yes. This is what I said weeks ago when all that stuff was happening.

I don't doubt for a second IWB reported what he was told. I do doubt very much what he was told, i.e. that Buzz was this close to taking his talents to SMU, was accurate. Buzz used the SMU interest - the ensuing histrionics among many of the MU faithful - to establish his standing with the new guys.
Bully for him, I guess.

I'm confused. You're saying now that Buzz was using IWB to air his grievances. I kind of agree with this. But this admits there were grievances and they were serious enough for Buzz to go public with his unhappiness. Which is what several of us reported. And for that we were called part of some tin foil hat club. Please explain.

[Lennys Tap]

I don't understand this.

If Enlund had run the same story, and it turned out to be bunk, would we just blame Enlund's source?

How exactly did his story turn out to be "bunk"? IWB never said Buzz signed with SMU or that he was going to. He said he talked to them and that it was serious. You know this to be untrue how?

[Pakuni]

I'm confused. You're saying now that Buzz was using IWB to air his grievances. I kind of agree with this. But this admits there were grievances and they were serious enough for Buzz to go public with his unhappiness. Which is what several of us reported. And for that we were called part of some tin foil hat club. Please explain.

1. I've never used the phrase "tin foil hat club" in my life. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else.

2. I've never suggested there haven't been issues. But there's a massive gulf between there being issues and the "OMG! OMG! OMG! Buzz is leaving! Buzz is quitting because of a newspaper quote! We're becoming St. Louis! Multiple players are being forced to transfer! Hiroshima! Hiroshima! Hiroshima!" nonsense that's been proffered by some panicky panickers around here.
Sometimes people who work together have differences of opinion. Happens every day in every city in every industry. The vast majority of the time, differences are resolved and everyone goes about their business. Nothing presented thus far indicates what's happened at Marquette is any different.

[MuMark]

+1 Lenny.

Just because Buzz didn't leave doesn't mean the story was bunk.

60/40 is closer to a coin flip then it is to "he is gone".

Clearly there were issues......Buzz talked to SMU....ultimately he didn't leave.

None of that makes IWB's story bunk. Many media reports had Matt Painter leaving Purdue a couple of years ago and taking the Missouri job. It was clearly very close to happening and then apparently Painter got cold feet.....were the media reports "bunk" because he didn't take it?

All IWB said was SMU is making a serious run at Buzz and he is listening. Maybe Buzz gave it serious consideration and maybe he was bluffing but nobody here knows that and I have no reason to assume IWB was reporting anything other then what he thought was the truth.

How exactly did his story turn out to be "bunk"? IWB never said Buzz signed with SMU or that he was going to. He said he talked to them and that it was serious. You know this to be untrue how?

[Rubie Q]

How exactly did his story turn out to be "bunk"? IWB never said Buzz signed with SMU or that he was going to. He said he talked to them and that it was serious. You know this to be untrue how?

To be sure: without talking to the man himself, I can't definitively *know* whether Buzz was seriously considering taking the SMU job.

But when I balance IWB's story on the one side, versus: the fact that nobody else in the know -- not Goodman, not Katz, not the Paint Touches kids, etc. (and, no, Jason King doesn't fit in this crew) -- reported that Buzz was seriously considering leaving for SMU; the fact that the SMU job is, at best, ten times worse than the Marquette job, and that the only comparable part of the jobs -- the salary -- is the thing that Buzz (reportedly) cares about the least, and that SMU is so dysfunctional that its AD got gassed almost immediately after hiring the new basketball coach, and that SMU is about to join Marquette's conference; and, perhaps most importantly, the fact that Buzz is still here, even though MU apparently did nothing to sweeten the pot to keep him here ...

I come out on the side of "bunk."

[Bocephys]

To be sure: without talking to the man himself, I can't definitively *know* whether Buzz was seriously considering taking the SMU job.

But when I balance IWB's story on the one side, versus: the fact that nobody else in the know -- not Goodman, not Katz, not the Paint Touches kids, etc. (and, no, Jason King doesn't fit in this crew) -- reported that Buzz was seriously considering leaving for SMU; the fact that the SMU job is, at best, ten times worse than the Marquette job, and that the only comparable part of the jobs -- the salary -- is the thing that Buzz (reportedly) cares about the least, and that SMU is so dysfunctional that its AD got gassed almost immediately after hiring the new basketball coach, and that SMU is about to join Marquette's conference; and, perhaps most importantly, the fact that Buzz is still here, even though MU apparently did nothing to sweeten the pot to keep him here ...

I come out on the side of "bunk."

Why doesn't Jason King count?  Because he doesn't help your side of writing off anything that didn't happen?

[Blackhat]

Buzz entrusts his players to IWB during the summer Pro-Am play, so they do have a good relationship.   IWB's developed good relationships within the basketball program for many, many years.

Buzz and Larry going to champion any causes this summer, build some momentum for the program?   Should smoke a peace pipe at the barbeque, if there is one.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Y2k ALMOST happened, so it's a good thing I built a bunker that contained:

- Canned food
- Porn
- HiFi with Supertramp, YES, ELO and James Gang albums

#amiright?