With this looming cataclysm...

[madtownwarrior]

Sorry - I don't have the "sources" you have so nothing to add to the tin foil conspiracy...

You single handedly (ok, maybe with help from IWB) lead to the Buzz to SMU blowup for 100 pages which did not happen and was embarrassing as a fan base- maybe go F**K yourself or just lighten up a bit it's a joke which I thought was pretty funny tieing all the hiroshima talk to the black doomsday hearse that roams the streets of Milwaukee

Madtown
I have taken your insults for almost two months and now really go Fxxk yourself. It would have been nice to see a post that included some information along with your insults. You have added nothing to any post, yet you expect credibility. Would have thought Topper adding that he heard similar things from reliable sources would mean something.

[rocky_warrior]

Would have thought Topper adding that he heard similar things from reliable sources would mean something.

I love how you're taking topper as a beacon of truth for this one.  He has similar sources as you.  Probably the kind that hear the the same kinds of things.  I still think those sources are wrong about most of this.

Take for instance, IWB stirring the pot on the SMU thing.  Most people would call IWB a reliable source.  Yet, just because he heard something, doesn't mean that it is guaranteed to happen, or even very close to happening.

[Canadian Dimes]

So the world is indeed ending then?
And by the way we are also all dying

[mr.MUskie]

So the world is indeed ending then?
And by the way we are also all dying

Not until December 21st.

[TedBaxter]

I love how you're taking topper as a beacon of truth for this one.  He has similar sources as you.  Probably the kind that hear the the same kinds of things.  I still think those sources are wrong about most of this.

Take for instance, IWB stirring the pot on the SMU thing.  Most people would call IWB a reliable source.  Yet, just because he heard something, doesn't mean that it is guaranteed to happen, or even very close to happening.

Do you wonder about the Steve Orsini firing Rocky?  Larry Brown wasn't Orsini's choice and Buzz was the one who interviewed before Brown at SMU.  I'll go out on a ledge and say that if Orsini would have gotten the blessing of the SMU president, Buzz may be working out of Dallas right now.  I think IWB was onto something.

[cheebs09]

That makes it sound like SMU turned down Buzz, when I think Buzz ultimately turned down SMU. I believe it was close, but ultimately Buzz chose to stay at MU for whatever reason. Also, did Buzz interview? Maybe it is semantics, but all I ever heard was they were talking, I didn't take that to be a formal interview.

[Benny B]

I love how you're taking topper as a beacon of truth for this one.  He has similar sources as you.  Probably the kind that hear the the same kinds of things.  I still think those sources are wrong about most of this.

Take for instance, IWB stirring the pot on the SMU thing.  Most people would call IWB a reliable source.  Yet, just because he heard something, doesn't mean that it is guaranteed to happen, or even very close to happening.

There's only one type of person more gullible than a pessimist... a sports "insider."

[Bocephys]

That makes it sound like SMU turned down Buzz, when I think Buzz ultimately turned down SMU. I believe it was close, but ultimately Buzz chose to stay at MU for whatever reason. Also, did Buzz interview? Maybe it is semantics, but all I ever heard was they were talking, I didn't take that to be a formal interview.

Would SMU really need to interview him?  He would have been a home run hire, so they were in no position to pick nits.

That being said, it didn't appear that Buzz ever left Milwaukee during the saga, so take that for whatever it means.

[real chili 83]

So the world is indeed ending then?
And by the way we are also all dying

The world is ending.  The sky is falling, the sky is falling  The horror, the horror.   

Sorry, but this has turned into a lame a$$ thread....but it does have potential for 100 pages with all the name calling.

How did everyone do on the opener.  Dimes, did you get up to the Hayward area?  I am heading up to Nebagamon this coming weekend.  That lake is killer for smallies this time of year.  Usually hook up with them when fishing for walleyes with jigs and minnows.

[Goose]

Rocky,
I never said Topper was the beacon of truth. Per his post he stated that he does NOT have a track record of posting inaccurate info and based on that I respect his post. My point is I am not going to dismiss another poster simply because I do not like his comments or posts, unless a track record of being wrong. I have not been in the MUguru camp since he first posted the mass transfer issue but I am not going to dismiss him because I have no info to prove he is wrong.

Other than my posting that I have heard the Buzz/MU relationship has soured I have no opinion on changed academic standards or mass transfers. Have heard rumors about those issues but not from anyone other than other casual fans. Time will tell what ultimately happens and odds are none of us will know the whole story.

[NCAARules]

Yes, the requirements for GPA are at the start of each school year.  The NCAA only allows, though, 6 summer credits.

Sorry- just to make a slight correction (I think ... I've been out of the compliance game for a couple of years now) - there is no limit on the number of summer hours that can be used for the GPA requirement.

Also - while the NCAA GPA requirement is only evaluated once a year, "good academic standing" (as defined by MU) is constantly evaluated and probably has a GPA component.

The limit on summer hours relates to which credits can be used to satisfied the annual credit requirements, not the GPA requirements.

[Benny B]

Just a word of advice to all... don't believe everything you hear on TV.  And since Nelligan Sports is in the business of TV, it would be in the interests of everyone's sanity that we extend them the same courtesy.

[Pakuni]

Do you wonder about the Steve Orsini firing Rocky?  Larry Brown wasn't Orsini's choice and Buzz was the one who interviewed before Brown at SMU.  I'll go out on a ledge and say that if Orsini would have gotten the blessing of the SMU president, Buzz may be working out of Dallas right now.  I think IWB was onto something.

Good Lord, remove the tin foil cap. And step off the ledge.
When exactly did Buzz interview at SMU?
And do you really believe that Buzz couldn't have gotten the "blessing" of SMU's president?

This place is nuts.

[TedBaxter]

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/57978/should-smu-really-hire-larry-brown

This reads that Buzz may have interviewed in Dallas.

My point is that Orsini wanted Buzz while the SMU president wanted Brown.  Buzz could have easily sensed the presidents favoritism of Brown if they talked in an interview and decided to pull his name out of the mix.

Does that sound like a possible scenario?

[forgetful]

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/57978/should-smu-really-hire-larry-brown

This reads that Buzz may have interviewed in Dallas.

My point is that Orsini wanted Buzz while the SMU president wanted Brown.  Buzz could have easily sensed the presidents favoritism of Brown if they talked in an interview and decided to pull his name out of the mix.

Does that sound like a possible scenario?

This is pure fantasy and more nuts then a lot of the other MU conspiracy theories out there.  Your own article linked says they aimed for Buzz and missed and then went after Benford.  Everyone at SMU wanted Buzz if they could get him, Brown likely wasn't even option number 2.

[jsglow]

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/57978/should-smu-really-hire-larry-brown

This reads that Buzz may have interviewed in Dallas.

My point is that Orsini wanted Buzz while the SMU president wanted Brown.  Buzz could have easily sensed the presidents favoritism of Brown if they talked in an interview and decided to pull his name out of the mix.

Does that sound like a possible scenario?

No it doesn't Ted.  All articles point to other interviews with Tony and an Indiana assistant.  There is no credible information out there that Buzz went to Dallas to chat.

[jsglow]

Good Lord, remove the tin foil cap. And step off the ledge.
When exactly did Buzz interview at SMU?
And do you really believe that Buzz couldn't have gotten the "blessing" of SMU's president?

This place is nuts.

Exactly.  Of course SMU dreamed, made a call, got permission to chat, and chatted with Buzz.  And sometime after that Buzz was no longer on the list.  That's all we'll ever know.

[jsglow]

Sorry- just to make a slight correction (I think ... I've been out of the compliance game for a couple of years now) - there is no limit on the number of summer hours that can be used for the GPA requirement.

Also - while the NCAA GPA requirement is only evaluated once a year, "good academic standing" (as defined by MU) is constantly evaluated and probably has a GPA component.

The limit on summer hours relates to which credits can be used to satisfied the annual credit requirements, not the GPA requirements.

Could you elaborate further?  Is what you're saying that a kid could have enough qualifying credit hours already accumulated during the regular school year but use the summer to pad a substandard GPA with say 12 credits? 

[MUMac]

Sorry- just to make a slight correction (I think ... I've been out of the compliance game for a couple of years now) - there is no limit on the number of summer hours that can be used for the GPA requirement.

Also - while the NCAA GPA requirement is only evaluated once a year, "good academic standing" (as defined by MU) is constantly evaluated and probably has a GPA component.

The limit on summer hours relates to which credits can be used to satisfied the annual credit requirements, not the GPA requirements.

Thanks for the correction. 

[madtownwarrior]

holy tin foil hat and stretch of imagination - where is implied they even interviewed Buzz?  much less in Dallas?   

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/57978/should-smu-really-hire-larry-brown

This reads that Buzz may have interviewed in Dallas.

My point is that Orsini wanted Buzz while the SMU president wanted Brown.  Buzz could have easily sensed the presidents favoritism of Brown if they talked in an interview and decided to pull his name out of the mix.

Does that sound like a possible scenario?

[TedBaxter]

I don't think it was a stretch of the imagination and it was just an angle where Buzz may have interviewed in Dallas.  It may never have happened, but I think my theory had some merit to consider.

[jsglow]

I don't think it was a stretch of the imagination and it was just an angle where Buzz may have interviewed in Dallas.  It may never have happened, but I think my theory had some merit to consider.

But Ted, you indicated that the article(s) somehow suggested it.  No, they did not.  That's how unfounded rumors start.  If somehow we now have page after page of Buzz actually interviewing in Big D, I'll point back to your unfounded interpretation of what was reported.  Let me repeat, there is no credible evidence that Buzz 'interviewed' for the SMU job.

[Pakuni]

But Ted, you indicated that the article(s) somehow suggested it.  No, they did not.  That's how unfounded rumors start.  If somehow we now have page after page of Buzz actually interviewing in Big D, I'll point back to your unfounded interpretation of what was reported.  Let me repeat, there is no credible evidence that Buzz 'interviewed' for the SMU job.

Correct.
But Ted took it even further, stating that not only did Buzz interview at SMU, but that he was going to take the job had SMU's president not vetoed him.

Think about what's being suggested here .... SMU's president overruled his AD's choice of Buzz, then went out (on his own?) and hired a 71-year-old vagabond with a history of NCAA rules violations and who hasn't coached a college game in nearly 25 years. And then, he went and fired his AD for not hiring Larry Brown in the first place.
Ugh. I'm tempted to say you can't make up this kind of stuff, but it appears some people really can make up this kind of stuff.

[TedBaxter]

You're right.  I should just stay away from posting about Marquette basketball from now on.

[Bocephys]

You're right.  I should just stay away from posting about Marquette basketball from now on.

It's the only way to avoid scorn. As far as this board is concerned, unless something happens in a very public forum, it never had any chance at happening, no matter how much evidence to the contrary may exist.