MU Transfer out that hurt the most?

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ODB?
Mbakwe?
Tim Maymon's boy?
Amo?
Krunti Hester?

(We'll say that the transfer has to have played in at least one regular season game, so a guy like Tyshawn Taylor doesn't count)

[Dreadman24]

Tyshawn Taylor

[Niv Berkowitz]

Dameon Mason. Left a void.

[PJDunn]

We lost some much needed toughness when ODB left.  Mbwake was the most talented, but somewhat of a lunkhead.

[MU_Beav]

Odb - his staying could have translated into a National Championship in 2003...

[kmwtrucks]

With Blanskton on the Wing maybe we get a national Title.  Huge upgrade over Townsend and would have let us play a little smaller VS Kansas.  With Merritt and Jackson both on the floor we got run right off the court.  

[mu03eng]

With Blanskton on the Wing maybe we get a national Title.  Huge upgrade over Townsend and would have let us play a little smaller VS Kansas.  With Merritt and Jackson both on the floor we got run right off the court.  

+1

[lurch91]

Blankson and Karon Bradley come to mind.  Bradley lead Wichita State to the NCAA's a few years after transferring.

Also, if Karon Bradley had stayed, Marcus Jackson never has to be a point forward, and that embarrassing loss Western Michigan at home in the NIT doesn't happen either.

[Niv Berkowitz]

With Blanskton on the Wing maybe we get a national Title.  Huge upgrade over Townsend and would have let us play a little smaller VS Kansas.  With Merritt and Jackson both on the floor we got run right off the court.  

I agree. In hindsight, with what we ended up doing that year, his leaving hurt us the most. With ODB, yeah...we possibly got a shot for the title. But...would him being around have limited some of Wade's flow that year? I don't know. Either way, I'd have liked to have had him and taken my chances.

[Golden Avalanche]

I think there is some legend building with these early responses.

Hard to claim a guy leaving hurt the most when 10 months later the team he left achieved the best accomplishment for the program in over two decades.

[Niv Berkowitz]

Blankson and Karon Bradley come to mind.  Bradley lead Wichita State to the NCAA's a few years after transferring.

Also, if Karon Bradley had stayed, Marcus Jackson never has to be a point forward, and that embarrassing loss Western Michigan at home in the NIT doesn't happen either.

Your honor, I believe the said Marquette vs. Western Michigan University game in reference has been stricken from the Marquette record and this was done almost instantaneously after it occurred.

Judge - Sustained! That game has been stricken from the record. It never happened in the eyes of this courtroom.

[Goose]

ODB definitely hurt. I think his transfer cost us real chance at the title.

[Lennys Tap]

If we had lost by 2 or 5 or even 8 to Kansas, I could see making the argument that ODB's presence might have made a difference, but thinking he could have caused a 35 point swing is wishful thinking.   

[Goose]

Lenny
I was thinking more the whole season and not just Kansas game. Agreed he was not the missing link in that mess. Possibly with him different seed and different matchup. We have been pretty lucky and have not had many real big losses. Our gets way outweigh the one's we lost.

[🏀]

Its ODB, no question.

Worst suggestion is Mason. He would have only hurt the development of the Amigos and Marquette's graduation rate.

[MUfan12]

If we had lost by 2 or 5 or even 8 to Kansas, I could see making the argument that ODB's presence might have made a difference, but thinking he could have caused a 35 point swing is wishful thinking.   

Not only that, but does Novak get off the bench if ODB is here? Steve hit some big shots in the second half of the season, and they probably don't beat Missouri without him.

[Canadian Dimes]

i agree on ODB too.  While he would have made us slightly better and deeper in 2003, his impact may have been it's greatest in 2004 when we could have really used him. 

Would have helped avoid Creans embarrassing teams that he fielded in 2004 and 2005, when in his 5th and 6th years his rosters looked like the reclamation project of a first year hire.

[Golden Avalanche]

Not only that, but does Novak get off the bench if ODB is here? Steve hit some big shots in the second half of the season, and they probably don't beat Missouri without him.

We can take "probably" out of that sentence.

Sitting in the RCA dome watching Novak's performance as a Freshman in that overtime period was very, very impressive.

[KenoshaWarrior]

With Blanskton on the Wing maybe we get a national Title.  Huge upgrade over Townsend and would have let us play a little smaller VS Kansas.  With Merritt and Jackson both on the floor we got run right off the court.  

Fact.
ODB transfer hurt the most by far as we would have one the national title.  The upgrade over Townsend who was the weak link of that team factors in huge.

[PGsHeroes32]

from a pure talent and dominant standpoint at a position we always need help, it has to be Mbakwe but considering the fact that hed be long gone by now had he stayed at MU there is no saying what player hed actually be.

[lab_warrior]

ODB would have helped immensely on that '03 team, but I agree that Novak may not have played as much, therefore not hit his gigantic OT treys against Missouri... double edged sword, I guess.

It's hard to distinguish between Bradley, Amo, and Mason-- Bradley would have provided at least a SHRED of depth at PG, not to mention the kid could hit some big shots.

Amo is still one of those intriguing "could have been" types, was big enough to bang in the post, but could hit outside shots, too--that Alaska Shootout game vs. South Carolina has to be one of the more impressive performances by an MU player.

And Mason could have turned into a real solid player.  I think he would have complimented the Amigos and provided depth, not so much taken away from that group.  

Guess the theme of this thread is that depth matters.  A LOT.  

[radome]

I don't know if going pro counts as a transfer in this sense but I think that the biggest loss of a player was Lucas, in my opinion. Might have been the best MU team ever.

[lab_warrior]

I don't know if going pro counts as a transfer in this sense but I think that the biggest loss of a player was Lucas, in my opinion. Might have been the best MU team ever.

Under this criteria, yeah, Lucas...that was  a big loss.  DWade, also quite large.

[The Equalizer]

from a pure talent and dominant standpoint at a position we always need help, it has to be Mbakwe but considering the fact that hed be long gone by now had he stayed at MU there is no saying what player hed actually be.

Wouldn't that be true for Bradley, Mason, Amo or just about any other name in this thead? 

While we don't know what type of player he'd actually be, I have to think his performance at Miami Dade and Minnesota would represent the floor--I have to think he would have been better off with the attention of the MU coaching staff and our facilities.

If the question is limited to those transfers with eligibiity remaining, I think Maymon or Newbill are the only two worth considering.

If we include all players regardless of eligiblity left, there is no doubt that Mbakwe is the biggest loss. Think of what a dominating inside player would have meant in 2009 (playing ahead of Burke when the Amigos were seniors), 2010 (when we had Hayward playing out of position) and 2011 (when injuries to both Otule and Gardner hampered their effectiveness).

[cheebs09]

I don't know if going pro counts as a transfer in this sense but I think that the biggest loss of a player was Lucas, in my opinion. Might have been the best MU team ever.

Wouldn't Chones be the one under this criteria?