Marquette Offers Diamond Stone

[brewcity77]

While we all knew it was coming, it's now official:

Marquette and Wisconsin have extended offers to Dominican freshman Diamond Stone.

That's Mark Miller's site. Hopefully Buzz offering a guy between his freshman and sophomore year doesn't make anyone squirmy...

[The Process]

While we all knew it was coming, it's now official:

That's Mark Miller's site. Hopefully Buzz offering a guy between his freshman and sophomore year doesn't make anyone squirmy...

At least it's not an 8th grader.

[Blackhat]

is he traditional enough for the BOT?

[mileskishnish72]

Nice to think that Buzz is thinking that far ahead?

[Goose]

Of course Buzz is recruiting looking forward. I only hoping he is recruiting looking forward for MU and looking forward to new school. He has to build bond with kid whether he is here or not down the road.

[Otule's Glass Eye]

At least it's not an 8th grader.

Tom Crean (cough cough cough)

[ibechillindoe]

Buzz Williams and Bo Ryan are in the gym checking on 2014 Kevon Looney of the Milwaukee Running Rebels.

https://twitter.com/#!/ndkendrick_rr

Have we offered Kevon yet?

[Otule's Glass Eye]

Buzz Williams and Bo Ryan are in the gym checking on 2014 Kevon Looney of the Milwaukee Running Rebels.

https://twitter.com/#!/ndkendrick_rr

Have we offered Kevon yet?

on rivals it says we have offered

[Hoopaloop]

Can we put to rest already the talk of insane academics.  Buzz isn't going to stop offering kids.  If Looney is offered, this will only confirm that the comments about Buzz only able to go after a certain kind of student athlete are unfounded.

[wadesworld]

Can we put to rest already the talk of insane academics.  Buzz isn't going to stop offering kids.  If Looney is offered, this will only confirm that the comments about Buzz only able to go after a certain kind of student athlete are unfounded.

Is it well known that he isn't a good student or something? I haven't heard anything about his academics.

[Hoopaloop]

Is it well known that he isn't a good student or something? I haven't heard anything about his academics.

The implication has been that we will only be able to go after white kids that are running around with 3.5 GPAs.  Half that thread has been taken down, but comments that we were going back to the 1930's, etc, etc. 

[Lennys Tap]

The implication has been that we will only be able to go after white kids that are running around with 3.5 GPAs.  Half that thread has been taken down, but comments that we were going back to the 1930's, etc, etc. 

As usual, you are mischaracterizing and exaggerating.

It might help if we go over what has been said:

1.Before this semester Marquette's eligibility standards for student athletes matched that of most of our competition (UW, for example). I believe this has been accepted as documented fact.
2.It has been reported by several sources that those standards (which have been in place for quite some time) have been deemed as too low by Fr Pilarz and the BOT. It's even been speculated that the board wants to initiate the new and higher standards retroactively, putting some sudent athletes in jeopardy this semester even though they have been operating under and are ok by the old standards. I don't know if this is fact, but if true many here have a problem with this from a fairness standpoint. I agree with them.
3.The rest of the debate centers around how or whether tougher admission and eligibility standards would impact the basketball program and how much basketball means to the university. I'd answer a)yes and b)a lot. If overnight the Wisconsins, Syracuses, Floridas, etc.,(all of whom have more difficult admission requirements for "regular" students than MU, by the way) can recruit basketball players who are off limits to Marquette it would be devastating. People laugh when it's suggested we'll become SLU, but remember we WERE SLU before Fr Wild LOWERED our past and present standards and gave the OK to prop 48 Dwyane Wade. It's the height of arrogance to think we couldn't be back there quickly by trying to be something we're not nor have ever been. I'm comfortable competing with schools like Wisconsin, Indiana, Purdue, etc on a level playing field, but not on one where they can recruit and keep eligible top players who won't qualify for Marquette. As an alum and a supporter of the program, that scenario would be Hiroshima (don't take it literally, please) to me.

[Goose]

Lenny
Spot on!!!

[MUMac]

As usual, you are mischaracterizing and exaggerating.

It might help if we go over what has been said:

1.Before this semester Marquette's eligibility standards for student athletes matched that of most of our competition (UW, for example). I believe this has been accepted as documented fact.
2.It has been reported by several sources that those standards (which have been in place for quite some time) have been deemed as too low by Fr Pilarz and the BOT. It's even been speculated that the board wants to initiate the new and higher standards retroactively, putting some sudent athletes in jeopardy this semester even though they have been operating under and are ok by the old standards. I don't know if this is fact, but if true many here have a problem with this from a fairness standpoint. I agree with them.
3.The rest of the debate centers around how or whether tougher admission and eligibility standards would impact the basketball program and how much basketball means to the university. I'd answer a)yes and b)a lot. If overnight the Wisconsins, Syracuses, Floridas, etc.,(all of whom have more difficult admission requirements for "regular" students than MU, by the way) can recruit basketball players who are off limits to Marquette it would be devastating. People laugh when it's suggested we'll become SLU, but remember we WERE SLU before Fr Wild LOWERED our past and present standards and gave the OK to prop 48 Dwyane Wade. It's the height of arrogance to think we couldn't be back there quickly by trying to be something we're not nor have ever been. I'm comfortable competing with schools like Wisconsin, Indiana, Purdue, etc on a level playing field, but not on one where they can recruit and keep eligible top players who won't qualify for Marquette. As an alum and a supporter of the program, that scenario would be Hiroshima (don't take it literally, please) to me.

I would add that the current standards are the NCAA standards.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

As usual, you are mischaracterizing and exaggerating.

It might help if we go over what has been said:

1.Before this semester Marquette's eligibility standards for student athletes matched that of most of our competition (UW, for example). I believe this has been accepted as documented fact.
2.It has been reported by several sources that those standards (which have been in place for quite some time) have been deemed as too low by Fr Pilarz and the BOT. It's even been speculated that the board wants to initiate the new and higher standards retroactively, putting some sudent athletes in jeopardy this semester even though they have been operating under and are ok by the old standards. I don't know if this is fact, but if true many here have a problem with this from a fairness standpoint. I agree with them.
3.The rest of the debate centers around how or whether tougher admission and eligibility standards would impact the basketball program and how much basketball means to the university. I'd answer a)yes and b)a lot. If overnight the Wisconsins, Syracuses, Floridas, etc.,(all of whom have more difficult admission requirements for "regular" students than MU, by the way) can recruit basketball players who are off limits to Marquette it would be devastating. People laugh when it's suggested we'll become SLU, but remember we WERE SLU before Fr Wild LOWERED our past and present standards and gave the OK to prop 48 Dwyane Wade. It's the height of arrogance to think we couldn't be back there quickly by trying to be something we're not nor have ever been. I'm comfortable competing with schools like Wisconsin, Indiana, Purdue, etc on a level playing field, but not on one where they can recruit and keep eligible top players who won't qualify for Marquette. As an alum and a supporter of the program, that scenario would be Hiroshima (don't take it literally, please) to me.

Have we heard anything about tougher admissions, or just tougher GPA requirements when they are actually in school?

[Dawson Rental]

I would add that the current standards are the NCAA standards.

I would further add that operating under these standards has no kept Marquette from having a much better than average graduation rate for male basketball players.

[Hoopaloop]

As usual, you are mischaracterizing and exaggerating.

It might help if we go over what has been said:

1.Before this semester Marquette's eligibility standards for student athletes matched that of most of our competition (UW, for example). I believe this has been accepted as documented fact.
2.It has been reported by several sources that those standards (which have been in place for quite some time) have been deemed as too low by Fr Pilarz and the BOT. It's even been speculated that the board wants to initiate the new and higher standards retroactively, putting some sudent athletes in jeopardy this semester even though they have been operating under and are ok by the old standards. I don't know if this is fact, but if true many here have a problem with this from a fairness standpoint. I agree with them.
3.The rest of the debate centers around how or whether tougher admission and eligibility standards would impact the basketball program and how much basketball means to the university. I'd answer a)yes and b)a lot. If overnight the Wisconsins, Syracuses, Floridas, etc.,(all of whom have more difficult admission requirements for "regular" students than MU, by the way) can recruit basketball players who are off limits to Marquette it would be devastating. People laugh when it's suggested we'll become SLU, but remember we WERE SLU before Fr Wild LOWERED our past and present standards and gave the OK to prop 48 Dwyane Wade. It's the height of arrogance to think we couldn't be back there quickly by trying to be something we're not nor have ever been. I'm comfortable competing with schools like Wisconsin, Indiana, Purdue, etc on a level playing field, but not on one where they can recruit and keep eligible top players who won't qualify for Marquette. As an alum and a supporter of the program, that scenario would be Hiroshima (don't take it literally, please) to me.

Correction.  Our fans here were exaggerating and I'm merely highlighting it.  Let me show you some examples.  THESE are exaggerations, just a few from only the last couple of hours.

"Basically the end effective outcome will be more white players and less JUCOs, imo.  That will be the identity Pilarz wants, less dreads more crew cuts.  And as the "poor, tated" kids leave so will the off the court problems.'

"It will be impossible to maintain it at the same level. For whatever reason Fr. P cannot and doesn't comprehend the fact that right or wrong, the BB program is THE face of the University. It drives everything. That goes down, so does the image of the University. It's just a fact."

"Look at the rosters of ND, Duke, and Stanford.   Black athletes will have less opportunity at Marquette.  The pool will shrink."

"We'll be left with the sloppy seconds academic all-americans."

[Hoopaloop]

I would add that the current standards are the NCAA standards.

The question is should we be using the NCAA minimum standards or aspire to be doing things better. 

This is why the graduation rates that people here throw around are not necessarily indicative of everything. 

As Blackheart asked earlier about Purdue.  The Boilers have 7 current players as All Academic Big Ten and essentially blew their game against Kansas (the national runner-up) to go to the Sweet 16.  MU has zero All Academic Big East players.  Last year we had one, a walk on in Frozena.

When I read some of the comments by those on the panic side of the fence, they seem to think that it is impossible for Marquette to win at a high level with quality student athletes, even with higher standards?

[Lennys Tap]

Correction.  Our fans here were exaggerating and I'm merely highlighting it.  Let me show you some examples.  THESE are exaggerations, just a few from only the last couple of hours.

"Basically the end effective outcome will be more white players and less JUCOs, imo.  That will be the identity Pilarz wants, less dreads more crew cuts.  And as the "poor, tated" kids leave so will the off the court problems.'

"It will be impossible to maintain it at the same level. For whatever reason Fr. P cannot and doesn't comprehend the fact that right or wrong, the BB program is THE face of the University. It drives everything. That goes down, so does the image of the University. It's just a fact."

"Look at the rosters of ND, Duke, and Stanford.   Black athletes will have less opportunity at Marquette.  The pool will shrink."

"We'll be left with the sloppy seconds academic all-americans."

So how is going from "Black athletes will have less opportunity at Marquette" to you claiming that MU will only be able to recruit white guys with 3.5s not a mischaracterization and an exaggeration?

[Canadian Dimes]

This board is soooooo over the top with it's chicken little speculation!!!!  Some idiot like IWB says Smu requested to talk to buzz and all of a sudden buzz is enemies with pilarz and williams.  Then the 12th man on the team who gets no playing time and projects to be the 13th man on the team next transfers and now pilarz and the BOt are hamstringing the entire basketball program with draconian measures.

Really Lenny?

This chicken little speculation is embarrassing at best.  I am gonna take a vacation from you morons for a while.

[GGGG]

This board is soooooo over the top with it's chicken little speculation!!!!  Some idiot like IWB says Smu requested to talk to buzz and all of a sudden buzz is enemies with pilarz and williams.  Then the 12th man on the team who gets no playing time and projects to be the 13th man on the team next transfers and now pilarz and the BOt are hamstringing the entire basketball program with draconian measures.

Really Lenny?

This chicken little speculation is embarrassing at best.  I am gonna take a vacation from you morons for a while.

You should probably read the MUBB and academics thread.

[MUMac]

You should probably read the MUBB and academics thread.

Well, the comment did not make dimes an idiot as he so intellectually called IWB, but it does make him ignorant to the comment he responded to.  Class act that dimes is.

[Lennys Tap]

I would add that the current standards are the NCAA standards.

Our eligibility standards as published are the current NCAA stadards. According to some here, the standards will be retroactively changed and the announcement will come soon.

[MUMac]

Our eligibility standards as published are the current NCAA stadards. According to some here, the standards will be retroactively changed and the announcement will come soon.

I understand that.  The individual you were addressing either did not or was disingenuous with some of his comments as he certainly made it appear these standards are the ones being discussed going forward.  Which is why I added that.

[Lennys Tap]

I understand that.  The individual you were addressing either did not or was disingenuous with some of his comments as he certainly made it appear these standards are the ones being discussed going forward.  Which is why I added that.

Gotcha.