Doc Rivers emotional over Pat Summit retirement

[MarsupialMadness]

dgies, remember the "girls' style" basketball back in the day in Tennessee?  Three forwards, three guards.  You weren't allowed to cross the half court line.  I was a guard, so after I rebounded, I dribbled up to the line and passed it to a forward on the other side.  Apparently they thought girls didn't have the stamina to play full court basketball.

That's pretty nuts.  I had no idea this occured.

[dgies9156]

Not to be sexist or anything (whereupon I will necessarily follow with a sexist statement), but Pat Summitt's teams couldn't beat an average high school boys basketball team.

You know not of what you speak.

Pat Summitt's teams were well coached. Period. Certainly, they could have been a challenge to more than a few bad Mississippi State, Mississippi, LSU and Auburn teams of the time. No, 9 times out 10 they were not going to beat most of them, though it might have been interesting to see Candice Parker post up against Charles Barkley.

OK, I'm laughing pretty hard when the round mound of rebound gets taken out by Ms. Parker!

Look, Ms. Summitt is the John Wooden of Women's Ball. Anyone who fails to see what she did is sexist and doesn't have a daughter!

[dgies9156]

That's pretty nuts.  I had no idea this occured.

A lot of States played that way before Title IX in 1977. Tennessee did it and it was a joke. People like Warriorchick never had a chance to get a college basketball scholarship because the sport discriminated against them by not letting them become complete ballplayers.

After Title IX, the last holdouts to antiquated six-person basketball were Tennessee and Iowa. The latter held out until about 1981, when they realized Iowa women would not get college scholarships unless they changed their ways. Even then, the Iowa Girls Athletic Association held out and only VERY reluctantly gave into the reality of the changing way we view women. Well, as they say about Iowa, "Where 21st century technology meets 19th century mindsets!"

Full Disclosure: Warriorchick and I were graduated from the same high school in Tennessee, a few years apart!

[jmayer1]

There aren't any WNBA teams that are coached by Pat Summit.

I'm aware of that, I didn't say there were.

Any of Summitt's Tennessee teams<<<<WNBA champs

Any decent city HS boys team<<<<any lower level SEC mens team

WNBA champs<<Any decent city HS boys team

[warriorchick]

A lot of States played that way before Title IX in 1977. Tennessee did it and it was a joke. People like Warriorchick never had a chance to get a college basketball scholarship because the sport discriminated against them by not letting them become complete ballplayers.

After Title IX, the last holdouts to antiquated six-person basketball were Tennessee and Iowa. The latter held out until about 1981, when they realized Iowa women would not get college scholarships unless they changed their ways. Even then, the Iowa Girls Athletic Association held out and only VERY reluctantly gave into the reality of the changing way we view women. Well, as they say about Iowa, "Where 21st century technology meets 19th century mindsets!"

Full Disclosure: Warriorchick and I were graduated from the same high school in Tennessee, a few years apart!

Yeah, that is exactly why I didn't get a college hoops scholarship

I never went past junior high for basketball.  Holy Rosary in the House!!

But seriously, they never even coached the girls to be agressive.  After the first time my dad saw me play, he took me under the basketball goal in our driveway and taught me how to box out.  The next game, I pulled down 15 rebounds -- and that is playing 4 six-minute quarters.

When you were a guard in Tennessee girls' basketball, rebounds were about the only stat you had.  Steals were pretty rare, but there were usually about 25 jump balls per game.  :-P

[warriorchick]

I'm aware of that, I didn't say there were.

Any of Summitt's Tennessee teams<<<<WNBA champs

Any decent city HS boys team<<<<any lower level SEC mens team

WNBA champs<<Any decent city HS boys team

You missed my point.  Who knows how good a WNBA team would be if it were coached by Pat Summit.

[CTWarrior]

You know not of what you speak.

I know quite well of what I speak.  At their zenith, Pat Summitt grabbed men off campus to practice against.  Nobody over 6' allowed and nobody with high school experience.  The men had additional restrictions on their game that the women didn't have and still occasionally beat them.  There was a story about it in SI several years back.

When I was in 8th grade my coach knew a girls high school coach.  My grade school team was pretty terrible (something like 4-10) and the girls team would eventually be the high school state runners up.  We scrimmaged them to help them get ready for the state tournament and we had to quit the game because the girls couldn't get a shot to the rim.  I want you to understand that the girls team was dominant, winning a game 99-2 during their season (they could have won 150-0 if they wanted to) and had 2 D-I players on the team.  I understand women are talented and getting better every year, but the athleticism and size to compete with men just isn't there yet.

[jmayer1]

You missed my point.  Who knows how good a WNBA team would be if it were coached by Pat Summit.

Haha, sorry, yes I did. Very good point. But my point still stands regardless of who was roaming the sidelines.

[warriorchick]

I usually don't write about sports on my personal blog (it's mostly humor - or at least an attempt at it), but the Pat Summit conversation inspired me.  Take a look if you'd like. 

http://skinnyblondeoprah.wordpress.com/

[warthog-driver]

I usually don't write about sports on my personal blog (it's mostly humor - or at least an attempt at it), but the Pat Summit conversation inspired me.  Take a look if you'd like. 

http://skinnyblondeoprah.wordpress.com/

I do take offense with your nomination of Barbara Streisand as a worthy Christmas singer...Der Bingle 100% of the time!

[KipsBayEagle]

You know not of what you speak.

Pat Summitt's teams were well coached. Period. Certainly, they could have been a challenge to more than a few bad Mississippi State, Mississippi, LSU and Auburn teams of the time. No, 9 times out 10 they were not going to beat most of them, though it might have been interesting to see Candice Parker post up against Charles Barkley.

OK, I'm laughing pretty hard when the round mound of rebound gets taken out by Ms. Parker!

Look, Ms. Summitt is the John Wooden of Women's Ball. Anyone who fails to see what she did is sexist and doesn't have a daughter!

I'm sorry, but no, summitt's teams could not have beaten sec mens teams. 

[Hoopaloop]

Look them up all you want. They're all true. You can keep claiming otherwise and you'd continue to be wrong.

I'd try a different mix of meds. Life can get better for you!

So to reiterate, I said nothing of the kind that it was on the top of my head like implied.

Two posts in a row without homophobic comments, but you are back to telling people they have mental issues if you don't agree with them or if they catch you saying something that isn't true.  The irony is that your comments actually are the symptom of a mental condition in your actions to rare back and diminish others. 

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

So to reiterate, I said nothing of the kind that it was on the top of my head like implied.

Two posts in a row without homophobic comments, but you are back to telling people they have mental issues if you don't agree with them or if they catch you saying something that isn't true.  The irony is that your comments actually are the symptom of a mental condition in your actions to rare back and diminish others. 

Disagreeing with me is fine. I love a good argument! I'm telling you have mental issues because you do. You sit here day after day claiming to be somebody you're not. There is a team of moderators who decided months ago that the board was better off without you. Hard to disagree with that. Yet you invent personas and sign up under different names to circumvent that fact.  And not just on this board. It's a pattern of behavior. I'm not psychologist, but I'd say you're screaming for assistance.

If you had a neighbor you couldn't stand...told him to stay away and never stop by for beers before going to Disneyland...and he continued to show up in your backyard, but called himself by a different name...would you think this guy was normal?

By the way, your continued reference to homophobia amuses me to no end. Is it supposed to bother me? Considering I'm not running for office, you're welcome to attach any level of "homophobia" to me. Bring it on! Not only does it not bother me in the least, it is eerily similar to your feud with Dodds when you continued to reference his statement regarding Crean and cancer? You sure can beat a dead horse! Another sign of mental illness. Get the straight jackets, if they come in little boy sizes.   

[warthog-driver]

If you had a neighbor you couldn't stand...told him to stay away and never stop by for beers before going to Disneyland...and he continued to show up in your backyard, but called himself by a different name...would you think this guy was normal?

Classic. I can picture The Bail Bondsman with the Nose Glasses...