katz wishful thinking

[Smu18]

Ok...live your life in disbelief....whatever makes you happy...you guys will be fine, good tradition, huge buyout to hire next guy with....

[Goose]

Indy...why teal?

[TJ]

I think the 'spiral' reference is accurate. This board, and especially a small handful of especially vocal posters, has managed to whip it (them) selves into a frenzy over the last few days. Now rumors and speculation get blown out of proportion and eventually become fact and voila! Presto chango! There's a Buzz is about to leave crisis!

Nobody has facts. If they do they won't adequately cite sources, so that demotes them to speculation.

Until someone has something new and factual to add, this is a massive exercise in futility.

Welcome to the sane side of the discussion.

[ecompt]

This just in...SMU is irrelevant in College Bball and you can't always throw money at the problem.

At least (unlike its football team) the school's BBteam hasn't gotten the death penalty...yet.

[brewcity77]

The one source that seems to have credibility that is reporting this is IWB. He usually seems to be well-tied in to the program, and I can't remember him posting anything like this in the past. If he's taking the idea of Buzz to SMU seriously, then it's probably serious.

http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/content.php?287-Could-Buzz-Williams-leave-Marquette-for-SMU

[mugrack]

Bring me the carcass of Larry Williams

[jficke13]

All IWB does in that article is say that SMU asked for permission to talk to Buzz, MU granted permission, and that the only thing that has changed since Buzz's "you don't mess with happy" quote is that Papa Scott and LW have replaced Fr. Wilde and Cottingham.

It doesn't do anything more than report those three things. That's far from a 'this is a serious possibility' article.

[Goose]

Agreed completely brew city

[Smu18]

You should be taking it very seriously and if I were you guys, I would be getting checkbooks and emails out to those that matter....its what they call a hail mary for you at this point...

[brewcity77]

It doesn't do anything more than report those three things. That's far from a 'this is a serious possibility' article.

I guess that's one way of reading this...

So, should Marquette fans be concerned that SMU from C-USA is knocking on the door? The answer is yes.

how could a coach, fresh off of back to back Sweet 16s, go from "You don't mess with happy", to "Yes, I am interested"?

Again, I'm not saying what will or won't happen, but I think that article is pretty convincing in saying that it may happen.

[MerrittsMustache]

I guess that's one way of reading this...

Again, I'm not saying what will or won't happen, but I think that article is pretty convincing in saying that it may happen.

Buzz also listened to Arkansas and Oklahoma and Texas A&M. Just like every coach listens when another program talks.

[Freeport Warrior]

. Well, it sure looks like Larry Williams has been messing with happy.

Don't know anything about SMU, but it is no secret Williams and especially Pilarz aren't thrilled with the current "culture" of MU bball. Pilarz isn't all that concerned about winning. I have no idea how this is impacting Buzz, but I would bet it is messing with his happy. Yes, I have a source. No, I'm not sharing it.

[nathanziarek]

Did either A&M or OU request permission to speak with Buzz last year?

Did Marquette say "No"?

Unless those two things happened, there is no way to correlate what might be happening here to what happened last year.

If a job opens up in my industry that allows me to advance my career and it, for some reason, requires my boss to approve the interview, he would ruin our working relationship by turning me down. If SMU did indeed ask to talk to Buzz, I don't see MU having any reasonable way of turning them down. All you do then is guarantee that Buzz is unhappy.

Again, I think we have three or four pieces of information, most of them about emotion and/or pride and we've completely extrapolated from there, inventing motives, personas, and some injured pride.

If he leaves, we'll have no choice but to accept the version of events as they've been set before here at Scoop: LW is a prideful man that wanted to build his own legacy and pushed Buzz out.

If he stays, though, how are we going to align reality with the imaginations of the Scoop?

[nathanziarek]

it is no secret Williams and especially Pilarz aren't thrilled with the current "culture" of MU bball

Source? I've not read or heard anything in indicate that. Is this just what they are saying in private, or is there some reporting I can read or listen to to understand their issue with MUBB "culture"?

[nathanziarek]

live your life in disbelief

I don't know if anyone is living their life in disbelief. Some of us simply aren't willing to blindly trust someone who has given us no reason for credibility.

Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong. Without a single shred of evidence, if you turn out to be right, it's just because you jumped on the bandwagon...not because you ever knew.

[jficke13]

I find it hard to believe that Fr. Pilarz "doesn't care about winning." When they hired him one of the very first things he talked about was how important basketball was to him.

[MileHigh]

Buzz also listened to Arkansas and Oklahoma and Texas A&M. Just like every coach listens when another program talks.

Yes he listened, but did he ever interview?  If he has or is, then we have a problem.  By interviewing he is open for other opportunities.

[Dreadman24]

I'll say it again...even if Buzz stays, which I think he will, the fact he is talking to others is disturbing. We need to create environment were our coach only talks to special programs, not jerk off programs.

+1 took the words right out of my mouth.

[TJ]

My goodness people, stop this insanity!  Buzz is and will continue to be our coach; there is nothing but rampant speculation to indicate otherwise.

[jficke13]

We don't know how much talking is going going on for crying out loud. If someone called and said "I've got a job opportunity you might be interested in." I'd politely listen no matter the circumstances. That doesn't mean for a second that I'd entertain accepting every single offer.

[jficke13]

My goodness people, stop this insanity!  Buzz is and will continue to be our coach; there is nothing but rampant speculation to indicate otherwise.

Agreed. The only thing we should be speculating on is how long before it becomes official that he is NOT leaving.

[Smu18]

Done Deal...

Hello Bruce Weber...

[TJ]

I'll say it again...even if Buzz stays, which I think he will, the fact he is talking to others is disturbing. We need to create environment were our coach only talks to special programs, not jerk off programs.

Listening politely is not "talking".  Our coach has no agent, so if someone wants to talk to him there is no other avenue for them to do so than to say it directly to him.  Listening to them does not constitute "serious interest", nor does it mean that he's starting to think about leaving.

[attackelite]

This program lacks accountability, with the things that have happened off the court something has to be done. Players need to be released or coach has to be held to a higher standard. I want MU to win every gme but at what cost to the university and community.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

This program lacks accountability, with the things that have happened off the court something has to be done. Players need to be released or coach has to be held to a higher standard. I want MU to win every gme but at what cost to the university and community.

Explain what "has happened" off the court. Not what somebody alleges happened. What happened. Enlighten us.