The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread

[StillAWarrior]

But can someone please make an educated guess as to WHAT IN THE WORLD WOULD BE "THE TERMS" that MU would be proposing with which Buzz is allegedly struggling?

Whether it's fair or not, I would not be even remotely surprised if one of the things that the Administration is talking about is JUCOs.  When Buzz signed a bunch of JUCOs there was some concern about the stigma that has sometimes attached to JUCOs and comments that hopefully there would not be any off-the-court issues.  Again, I'm not saying that those concerns were/are fair, but there is a long-standing stigma attached to JUCOs.  Then Clark got charged with rape before he ever came to campus.  Then we've had multiple off-the-court issues here.  I'm not saying that the JUCOs were responsible for those issues (I might be the only person who still doesn't know who was involved).  I'm not arguing cause and effect.  I'm just saying that I could see the administration thinking, "when you brought in JUCOs were were afraid there would be issues; and there were issues..."

I'll sit back and prepare to take the abuse that is sure to follow...

[SMU20]

If he stays its because he really loves you guys....

[Pakuni]

+1

restricting Buzz to " ND/Northwestern type kids" could be taken as a racist comment.

I find it humorous that some think a president who came from Georgetown and an AD who came from Notre Dame would take a hard line on admission standards, even raising them above those of the general student population. Cause, you know, those schools would never bend the rules for athletes.
Insanity abounds.

[Benny B]

My guess is it's more along the lines of
1) Do  more to keep your players out of the police blotter
2) Dish out appropriate discipline when your efforts on part 1 fail

Not altogether unreasonable.

But:

1) If these terms are new to Buzz, why would Buzz have a problem with any of that (unless his entire character is a charade)
2) If Buzz is already doing this, why is the AD digging in their heels?
3) No one has been suspended for academic reasons, and everyone is apparently graduating (or making progress)... so if MU is voluntarily putting academic thresholds for athletes in place in response to nothing, it will be the first university in the country to do so.

It seems to me that Buzz already grasps the magnitude of the scrutiny of his players and the university, and he also seems like the guy who isn't going to simply let things slide.  So none of this makes any sense at all.  Either Buzz and the AD are being stupid, or we all are.  My vote is the latter.

[Warriors10]

If he stays its because he really loves you guys....

Says the guy who posted earlier today that SMU isn't throwing enough money for him to leave.

You know nothing like most of us here.

[Pakuni]

Whether it's fair or not, I would not be even remotely surprised if one of the things that the Administration is talking about is JUCOs.  When Buzz signed a bunch of JUCOs there was some concern about the stigma that has sometimes attached to JUCOs and comments that hopefully there would not be any off-the-court issues.  Again, I'm not saying that those concerns were/are fair, but there is a long-standing stigma attached to JUCOs.  Then Clark got charged with rape before he ever came to campus.  Then we've had multiple off-the-court issues here.  I'm not saying that the JUCOs were responsible for those issues (I might be the only person who still doesn't know who was involved).  I'm not arguing cause and effect.  I'm just saying that I could see the administration thinking, "when you brought in JUCOs were were afraid there would be issues; and there were issues..."

I'll sit back and prepare to take the abuse that is sure to follow...

So, they let it go for four years (and under Crean as well), took in a bunch of JUCOs who generally turned out to be high quality kids, and now are saying no more JUCOs?
No.

[GGGG]

Final decisions haven't been made. Just stating what I am hearing. People who were nervous sunday and felt better monday are more nervous again.  If you don't want me to post this stuff I won't. Not trying to get people riled up. Just stating what I am hearing. 

[SMU20]

I know more than you and have been pretty darn accurate


If I offered you what he is being offered you would give up your MU degree in a heartbeat...

[JTBMU7]

But:

1) If these terms are new to Buzz, why would Buzz have a problem with any of that (unless his entire character is a charade)
2) If Buzz is already doing this, why is the AD digging in their heels?
3) No one has been suspended for academic reasons, and everyone is apparently graduating (or making progress)... so if MU is voluntarily putting academic thresholds for athletes in place in response to nothing, it will be the first university in the country to do so.

It seems to me that Buzz already grasps the magnitude of the scrutiny of his players and the university, and he also seems like the guy who isn't going to simply let things slide.  So none of this makes any sense at all.  Either Buzz and the AD are being stupid, or we all are.  My vote is the latter.

well said. completely agree.
btw, this is like our version of the OJ trial, i could watch this all day...

[BrewCity83]

Final decisions haven't been made. Just stating what I am hearing. People who were nervous sunday and felt better monday are more nervous again.  If you don't want me to post this stuff I won't. Not trying to get people riled up. Just stating what I am hearing. 

Give us more...those who don't like it don't have to read it.

[MileHigh]

Can SMU really afford Buzz if he did go there?

They paid Doherty around $500,000 last year the "rumor" of $2.6 million.

[Warriors10]

I know more than you and have been pretty darn accurate


If I offered you what he is being offered you would give up your MU degree in a heartbeat...

You have 3 posts.  2 contradicting each other plus this one.  I don't know how you can be accurate shooting the crap from both sides of the spectrum.

[StillAWarrior]

So, they let it go for four years (and under Crean as well), took in a bunch of JUCOs who generally turned out to be high quality kids, and now are saying no more JUCOs?
No.

Have you been paying attention for the last year?  There was nothing to "let go" for four years.  In the last 12 months we've been in the press a bit more than we're used to.

I don't think the JUCOs were responsible for any of this -- and I think Jimmy Butler is one of the highest quality kids to ever wear the uniform.  But, if the Administration is looking for an issue to dig its heels in about, it wouldn't surprise me if this was one.  Never forget that those of us on this board follow things much more closely than the average alum -- or even the average fan.  They may be fighting the perception that JUCOs came in and now we're on the front page of the Chicago Tribune.  I don't think it's fair, but I do think it's a possible issue.

Since you seem to know what the issues aren't, how about you share what they are.

[Lennys Tap]

Then you are far smarter than I am.

I honestly have no idea how it would play out. I like Buzz. Dude works hard. Dude is talented.

But, I still have no idea how the SMU/MU futures will work out. Far too many unknowns and variables for me to make a proclamation.

I would never claim to be smarter than you. You're a very well spoken and thoughtful guy and I'm sure that your IQ is impressive.

You are also EXTREMELY cautious and nuanced. That's not all bad - "on the other hand" should be part of any discussion.

But if you really "have no idea" what the impact of Buzz to SMU would mean to them and us, what's the point of entering the discussion?

My point was that just because you'll be waiting 5 years to decide whether Buzz to SMU would be good for them and bad for us, please don't insult every "Buzz freak" by insinuating he/she will do the same. I (and every other "Buzz freak" on the board) is pretty much on the record that this would be a boon for SMU and a disaster for Marquette, and we won't wait until they come to Milwaukee and kick our a$$ to say as much.

[GGGG]

Issue isn't incoming academics but progress when they are here and discipline.

[awilhelmscream]

Can SMU really afford Buzz if he did go there?

They paid Doherty around $500,000 last year the "rumor" of $2.6 million.

You do know how many millionaires/billionaires SMU has produced and actively support their athletic programs right?  They have 10+ Dick Strongs on their side.

[SMU20]

more like 50

[Benny B]

Whether it's fair or not, I would not be even remotely surprised if one of the things that the Administration is talking about is JUCOs.  When Buzz signed a bunch of JUCOs there was some concern about the stigma that has sometimes attached to JUCOs and comments that hopefully there would not be any off-the-court issues.  Again, I'm not saying that those concerns were/are fair, but there is a long-standing stigma attached to JUCOs.  Then Clark got charged with rape before he ever came to campus.  Then we've had multiple off-the-court issues here.  I'm not saying that the JUCOs were responsible for those issues (I might be the only person who still doesn't know who was involved).  I'm not arguing cause and effect.  I'm just saying that I could see the administration thinking, "when you brought in JUCOs were were afraid there would be issues; and there were issues..."

I'll sit back and prepare to take the abuse that is sure to follow...

No... one of two.  Which makes my following character analysis possibly irrelevant...

JUCO's:

Joe Fulce - Never got into trouble as far as any of us know.  Seemed like a good guy.  Graduated, no?
Jimmy Butler - Whatever... if you got something bad to say about JFB, you're an idiot.
Dwight Buycks - May fit the unfortunate (and erroneous) JUCO stigma the best.  But I don't recall him getting into trouble either.
DJO - Speculation about being at a bar in January.  No official reports he was involved in anything.
Jae Crowder - Nothing ever goes unnoticed for a guy with Jae's presence.  If he's ever been involved in anything, it would have to be a CIA-level coverup.  To me, he's the epitomy of what MU basketball should be... a hard working, persistent, talented individual.

[Dr. Blackheart]

So, they let it go for four years (and under Crean as well), took in a bunch of JUCOs who generally turned out to be high quality kids, and now are saying no more JUCOs?
No.

Pretty sure disallowing qualified JUCO's admittance is against federal law...maybe the DOE can add that to their investigation list of MU's administration?

[Warrior_2002]

Aha!!! Doc Rivers is behind this.  Setting himself up for life after the "old man Celtics" are toast.

"ok fellow board members. I am officially ready to take the post you've always wanted me to take and lead this university to the promise land. Time to start those Buzz to SMU rumors. MUScoop.com will eat those rumors up causing internal controversy giving us reason push Buzz out."

http://www.marquette.edu/about/leadership/trustees.shtml

[Goose]

Doc would be nice replacement.

[Warrior4Life]

My friend that works for MUTV got an email stating that Buzz is leaving. Wow.

[klyrish]

My friend that works for MUTV got an email stating that Buzz isn't leaving. Wow.

[Henry Sugar]

100 pages seems like a reasonable goal.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

First post...not buyin it.