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Boone

Just don't see a potential commitment causing a stir to the team. If a teammate's unhappy and planning on leaving, it's not news to them.

Ellenson Guerrero

Quote from: Boone on March 14, 2012, 12:10:49 PM
Just don't see a potential commitment causing a stir to the team. If a teammate's unhappy and planning on leaving, it's not news to them.

But this assumes that the reason for a player leaving would be that he is unhappy. That isn't always the case and players know that. Therefore, the problem is not what the response would be if the players know someone is leaving; obviously the new commitment wouldn't be a big deal. The issue is the scenario where Buzz  hasn't told the player anything we don't know, and they don't already know that a player is unhappy and going to leave. They can do basic math.

Again, I'm not saying that this is the situation. But the fact that we don't know the situation and this problem exists, it makes it less likely that Buzz would accept a commitment at this time, and thus less likely that Duane's upcoming commitment is to Marquette.
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BrewCity83

Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on March 14, 2012, 12:28:05 PM
But this assumes that the reason for a player leaving would be that he is unhappy. That isn't always the case and players know that. Therefore, the problem is not what the response would be if the players know someone is leaving; obviously the new commitment wouldn't be a big deal. The issue is the scenario where Buzz  hasn't told the player anything we don't know, and they don't already know that a player is unhappy and going to leave. They can do basic math.

Right.  This isn't Syracuse.
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Earl Tatum

I want Wilson. Like drbeauch says it will work out. Hopefully Nunn will come also. Quickness. Personally I also want Nolan, if he still has MU in mind. Buzz will train him if his academics are there.

ringout

Quote from: bilsu on March 14, 2012, 12:05:01 PM
The only distraction would be on this board and this board is always distracted about something.
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GOMU85

I'll take Wilson or Nunn. I'm so glad Junior Cadougan will be a Senior next year. I'm looking forward to Fall 2013.

speri

Something that I have not heard mention is Otule not wanting to stick around for a 6th year. I'm not sure how everyone else felt, but after 5 years at Marquette (I did the Engineering Co-Op program) I was ready to leave and move on to the next chapter in my life. I couldn't imagine sticking around for a 6th year. All your close friends are gone and you're stuck with all the new people you probably don't have the same type of relationship with.

BallBoy

In my opinion this is a non-issue.  

Look at the Scout offer list of Iowa, MU, Memphis, Mizzou, Virginia Tech.  All of them are in some form of Post Season play and could be playing at the same time as MU.  Mizzou could be preparing for MU when he announces for them.  Wouldn't that be a distraction to them?  Wouldn't any of the coaches tell him to hold off if this was a problem?  

What have we typically seen with the majority of the transfers?  They aren't getting playing time so who would be playing in the tournament that would be affected by this and truly impacted.  Everyone points to Derrick Wilson, but he is getting PT.  If Buzz knew he was going to transfer wouldn't he be sitting on the pine?  By the time that Duane Wilson gets to MU, Derrick Wilson would be a Junior and he would be in the same position as Junior was when Derrick committed.  Did Junior transfer?  How many freshman PGs are impact starters right away?  He will probably back up Derrick for a couple of years just like he is going to with Junior.

Also the players probably already know who is going to transfer and also the likelihood of a player committment so this shouldn't be a distraction.  With the amount of time that these players spend together don't you think they would have mentioned that plan to transfer or that coach has asked them to do that.  

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Quote from: bilsu on March 14, 2012, 12:05:01 PM
The only distraction would be on this board and this board is always distracted about something.

I'm not sure what this post is about.  What does it have to do....hey look!  A pony!
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Here is his "official" 2013 mix-tape by Midwest Ballers...

http://midwestballers.com/?p=1165#.T2DkkHwLgHc.twitter

Would be a great get and I think he would lock up the pg position very soon into his tenure.


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Quote from: speri on March 14, 2012, 01:41:23 PM
Something that I have not heard mention is Otule not wanting to stick around for a 6th year. I'm not sure how everyone else felt, but after 5 years at Marquette (I did the Engineering Co-Op program) I was ready to leave and move on to the next chapter in my life. I couldn't imagine sticking around for a 6th year. All your close friends are gone and you're stuck with all the new people you probably don't have the same type of relationship with.


Not a comparable situation in the least.  Otule will be here a sixth season if healthy.  I am quite confident that Buzz and him talked that out before he even agreed to surgery.

GGGG

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Quote from: Boone on March 14, 2012, 12:10:49 PM
Just don't see a potential commitment causing a stir to the team. If a teammate's unhappy and planning on leaving, it's not news to them.


The only thing that could distract is a 2012 commitment.  A 2013 commitment is 18 months away from being on campus.  A lot can happen between now and then.

GGGG

#39
Quote from: MUMac on March 14, 2012, 11:46:29 AM
I think it is dangerous to throw around phrases like MU not keeping their word.  That is quite an accussation without ANY facts to support.

Now, here is a suppossition.  Let's assume CO does not get the 6th year approved by the NCAA.  What does MU do at that time?  Far too late to get someone, especially as talented as Wilson.

OR, let's assume that CO does receive his 6th year from the NCAA.  I would guess he would already have graduated.  So, who is to say he does not use the transfer rule and play at a school closer to Houston?


Just an FYI...it isn't the NCAA that decides upon his eligibility for a sixth year...it is the Big East Conference.


MUMac

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 14, 2012, 04:03:53 PM

Just an FYI...it isn't the NCAA that decides upon his eligibility for a sixth year...it is the Big East Conference.

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Quote from: BallBoy on March 14, 2012, 01:46:59 PM
In my opinion this is a non-issue.  

Look at the Scout offer list of Iowa, MU, Memphis, Mizzou, Virginia Tech.  All of them are in some form of Post Season play and could be playing at the same time as MU.  Mizzou could be preparing for MU when he announces for them.  Wouldn't that be a distraction to them?  Wouldn't any of the coaches tell him to hold off if this was a problem?  

What have we typically seen with the majority of the transfers?  They aren't getting playing time so who would be playing in the tournament that would be affected by this and truly impacted.  Everyone points to Derrick Wilson, but he is getting PT.  If Buzz knew he was going to transfer wouldn't he be sitting on the pine?  By the time that Duane Wilson gets to MU, Derrick Wilson would be a Junior and he would be in the same position as Junior was when Derrick committed.  Did Junior transfer?  How many freshman PGs are impact starters right away?  He will probably back up Derrick for a couple of years just like he is going to with Junior.

Also the players probably already know who is going to transfer and also the likelihood of a player committment so this shouldn't be a distraction.  With the amount of time that these players spend together don't you think they would have mentioned that plan to transfer or that coach has asked them to do that.  

If those other schools do not have an open 2013 scholarship to offer then yes it would be a distraction to them.  I'm too lazy to research it, but my guess is many of those schools listed have an open 2013 scholarship, so that would not be a distraction for the team and the players on the team.  It would add even more excitement to their week.

And why would Buzz sit somebody if they're planning on transferring?  You think Buzz would take that decision personally and decide to risk losing games because somebody decided that they wanted to move on in a year?  I doubt it.  Unless Buzz was forcing the guy out due to character issues, Buzz would not sit a guy this season because he plans on transferring after the season.

GGGG

Cmon...it isn't going to be a distraction.  Duane wouldn't be on campus for 18 months.  A lot can happen between now and then...a transfer after this year....a 2012 doesn't show for whatever reason...a transfer after the year after.

I seriously doubt that if Duane Wilson announces that he is coming to Marquette, that Jamail Jones (for example) will be "distracted" because he might not be here...in September 2013.

bilsu

Quote from: speri on March 14, 2012, 01:41:23 PM
Something that I have not heard mention is Otule not wanting to stick around for a 6th year. I'm not sure how everyone else felt, but after 5 years at Marquette (I did the Engineering Co-Op program) I was ready to leave and move on to the next chapter in my life. I couldn't imagine sticking around for a 6th year. All your close friends are gone and you're stuck with all the new people you probably don't have the same type of relationship with.
I would think his closest friends are on the team. Did anyone else take note of the Big East annoucers saying that Notre Dame will apply for a 6th yeat for Abromitis, but Notre Dame does not think it will be granted. Watch this one and Mbakwe to see what happens. There is a difference between Otule's situation and these two. Otule was actually injured three times and redshirted for an injury. Abromitis used his redshirt year, because he transferred. Mbakwe used his redshirt year, because of legal troubles.

ibechillindoe

Just sign him. Who cares about the scholarship numbers. Things will work out, and he is a hell of a talent. Plus keeping the Milwaukee kid here will bring more local attention to MU.

wadesworld

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 14, 2012, 04:17:10 PM
Cmon...it isn't going to be a distraction.  Duane wouldn't be on campus for 18 months.  A lot can happen between now and then...a transfer after this year....a 2012 doesn't show for whatever reason...a transfer after the year after.

I seriously doubt that if Duane Wilson announces that he is coming to Marquette, that Jamail Jones (for example) will be "distracted" because he might not be here...in September 2013.

Agreed.  It won't be a problem.  Although I would guess that Buzz would ask Duane not to announce that he is coming to Marquette until after some sort of move is made if that is the case.  I would think it would be fairly easy, if a kid is going to trust a man enough to commit 4 years of his life to learning under him, that he would trust him if he said, "Hey, right now we're filled up and fans of the program might start to wonder what is going on if you committed now.  Please trust me, we will make room, hold off on going public with your commitment, and when we figure out what is going to happen you can make it then."  My guess is that Jamil Wilson had already decided he wanted to transfer to Marquette before Newbill was known not to be showing up, but he kept it quiet until it "worked out."  Maybe I'm wrong on that and the two situations were completely unrelated, who knows.

I'm just saying that other teams have open scholarships so the case that it would be just as much of a distraction for them since they are all playing as it would be for Marquette may not necessarily be true because the situations are different.  And that Buzz wouldn't say, "Alright, (whoever), you want to transfer out of my program?  Good, you can sit on the bench this season!  How do you like that?!"

GGGG

My guess is that 98% of the fanbase has no clue that we are filled for 2013.  Again, if he were a 2012, I agree that this would have the potential of being a distraction.  But this is a long ways away.  There will be plenty of time to address the issue. 

I mean, to be pedantic about it, we aren't officially full in 2013 because Otule hasn't officially been given a sixth year - and won't be until after next season.

Blackhat

Buzz hasn't had an offseason without at least one transfer yet.

NersEllenson

Wilson is like the opposite of DJO - he shoots it right handed but loves to dunk it with his left.  He looks good jumping off 1 and 2 feet, and the fact he can use his off hand to dunk exhibits uncanny athleticism...think he would be a great get for MU.  He comes, then Diamond Stone, along with Burton...could be MU/MKE's version of Michigan State's Flint-stones...
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Blackhat

Quote from: Ners on March 14, 2012, 04:35:31 PM
  He comes, then Diamond Stone, along with Burton...could be MU/MKE's version of Michigan State's Flint-stones...


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