Author Topic: Vote: If Syracuse Has To Vacate The Season, Does MU Hang A Banner? (Read 15467 times)

Tugg Speedman · « **on:** March 13, 2012, 05:40:33 PM »

http://www.suathletics.com/news/2012/3/13/MBB_0313122020.aspx

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2012/story/_/id/7681715/2012-ncaa-tournament-syracuse-orange-announce-fab-melo-ineligible-tourney

Melo was held out of three games earlier this season while he resolved an academic issue. Syracuse went 2-1 during that absence.

Melo was declared ineligible by Syracuse, not the NCAA, according to Bob Williams, the NCAA vice president of communications. Citing a source, ESPN.com had reported earlier that the NCAA had revisited Melo's previous suspension. Williams said that the NCAA only deals in an athlete's initial eligibility; once a player is on campus, his eligibility is the responsibility of the school.

Discussed here
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=31395.0

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Their is a real possibility that they might have to vacate the season. If so, does the number #2 team win the regular season? That would be MU.

and if that indeed happens, should MU hang a banner as BE regular season champions?

If say yes! If nothing else, the punish has to mean something. If they vacate than Cuse has to come to realization that the season never happened.

Related, should the BE coaches re-vote on BE defensive player of the year?

Hards Alumni · « **Reply #1 on:** March 13, 2012, 05:43:48 PM »

No. We didn't win the games, and who is to say they wouldn't have won without him?

Vacated seasons by a winning team never go back and declare the losing team the winner.

Tugg Speedman · « **Reply #2 on:** March 13, 2012, 05:49:19 PM »

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 13, 2012, 05:43:48 PM

No. We didn't win the games, and who is to say they wouldn't have won without him?

Vacated seasons by a winning team never go back and declare the losing team the winner.

I guess that is my point. If they went back and declared second place the winner, and acted as if the offending team did not even exist, it would offer an extra incentive not to cheat.

Otherwise, their is every incentive to cheat and then get vacated and act as if nothing happened. See Calipari, everyone still says he's been to three final fours. The first two were vacated. Last year was his first.

MUMac · « **Reply #3 on:** March 13, 2012, 05:50:21 PM »

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 13, 2012, 05:43:48 PM

No. We didn't win the games, and who is to say they wouldn't have won without him?

Vacated seasons by a winning team never go back and declare the losing team the winner.

This.

I would guess if they do vacate the BE title, it will remain that way. I don't see them giving it to the #2 team.

Hoopaloop · « **Reply #4 on:** March 13, 2012, 05:51:05 PM »

The league would just vacates the title, especially with an unbalanced schedule. Some schools played Syracuse twice so they would be doubly impacted.

Goose · « **Reply #5 on:** March 13, 2012, 05:52:47 PM »

Let's win one in April. Only one banner means anything to me. Plus the 77 banner needs some company.

Ellenson Guerrero · « **Reply #6 on:** March 13, 2012, 06:13:00 PM »

We need to take down a number of banners as is, and make a final four run before we put any more up. Granted the VCU banner for their end of the year ranking is bad, but I still cringe just thinking about our Great Alaska Shootout banner...

Dawson Rental · « **Reply #7 on:** March 13, 2012, 06:22:04 PM »

Is it too late to vacate 'Cuse's NCAA invite?

Da 'Lanche · « **Reply #8 on:** March 13, 2012, 06:24:01 PM »

We did not win the title.....I'm a purist....no banner.

However, that should not stop us from laughing.

Buzz Williams' Spillproof Chiclets Cup · « **Reply #9 on:** March 13, 2012, 06:33:20 PM »

No. Ohio State doesn't hang a banner reading "1992 Final Four" because they lost to Michigan in the Elite 8 in a Final Four vacated by UM.

brewcity77 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 13, 2012, 06:38:53 PM »

Had we won it outright, yes. But even if they come back and declare us champs, I say no. You hang banners for what you earn on the court, not what's adjucated in the NCAA's court.

WellsstreetWanderer · « **Reply #11 on:** March 13, 2012, 06:44:01 PM »

Only if it replaced a "We're #2" banner

JTBMU7 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 13, 2012, 06:59:56 PM »

this is so weak. no. not even a question.

Tugg Speedman · « **Reply #13 on:** March 13, 2012, 07:17:42 PM »

Quote from: JTBMU7 on March 13, 2012, 06:59:56 PM

this is so weak. no. not even a question.

Then what is the incentive to not cheat? If MU had put Gerry Boyle on the case, we would have Montrele Clark as our starting center, we would be a 1 seed and conference champion and gives a sh*t about the rest.

It's time that teams get punished for cheating and we start now. We hang a banner, set the precedent, and let Syracuse know they never existed. Let it serve as a warning for the next cheater.

JTBMU7 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 13, 2012, 07:21:02 PM »

Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 13, 2012, 07:17:42 PM

Then what is the incentive to not cheat? If MU had put Gerry Boyle on the case, we would have Montrele Clark as our starting center, we would be a 1 seed and conference champion and gives a sh*t about the rest.

It's time that teams get punished for cheating and we start now. We hang a banner, set the precedent, and let Syracuse know they never existed. Let it serve as a warning for the next cheater.

no question that cuse needs to/will be punished. take away their banner, yes(if, in fact, he was ineligible during games they won). put one up in our building? no.

there is no "everyone gets a trophy day" in the big east.

Ari Gold · « **Reply #15 on:** March 13, 2012, 07:22:57 PM »

Unless the banner comes with a giant Asterisk...

cheebs09 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 13, 2012, 07:23:29 PM »

Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on March 13, 2012, 06:13:00 PM

We need to take down a number of banners as is, and make a final four run before we put any more up. Granted the VCU banner for their end of the year ranking is bad, but I still cringe just thinking about our Great Alaska Shootout banner...

I think the majority of those are taken down in the BC. The banners I can think of are the 77, 74, 2003 banners, and the 1952 Catholic Tournament ones. There may be two conference championship ones.

I don't think Marquette would hang one, but I'm sure Crean would hang one at IU if Cuse's title gets vacated.

MUMac · « **Reply #17 on:** March 13, 2012, 07:27:35 PM »

Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 13, 2012, 07:17:42 PM

Then what is the incentive to not cheat? If MU had put Gerry Boyle on the case, we would have Montrele Clark as our starting center, we would be a 1 seed and conference champion and gives a sh*t about the rest.

It's time that teams get punished for cheating and we start now. We hang a banner, set the precedent, and let Syracuse know they never existed. Let it serve as a warning for the next cheater.

Whoa, where is there anything of fact the Cuse cheated? He was suspended for academic reasons, but the facts have not come out.

If they had cheated, though, and you vacate their title. Isn't that their punishment? How does MU hanging a banner add to their punishment?

96warrior · « **Reply #18 on:** March 13, 2012, 07:33:15 PM »

Definitely no to the banner. We wouldn't have won it on the court, like Brew said.

Definitely yes to the Defensive Player of the Year. Said it in the other thread - I don't see how he got it in the first place, having missed a good number of games due to ineligibility during the regular season.

john31 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 13, 2012, 07:57:34 PM »

I have a question....what if this came out or was found out in late April after Syracuse had won the NCAA tournament? Would the team that lost to them claim the Championship? The real reason I ask is that during last year's game I congratulated my brother in a(a Butler graduate) on a national championship because UCONN's season would be vacated....... just asking.

TallTitan34 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 13, 2012, 08:19:15 PM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conference_USA_Men's_Basketball_Tournament

Granted this is a conference tournament and not a regular season title, but Memphis had to forfeit all of its games and they are still listed as the C-USA champion.

ZiggysFryBoy · « **Reply #21 on:** March 13, 2012, 08:20:17 PM »

But, if we need it, I4's got a guy.

tower912 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 13, 2012, 08:21:26 PM »

Syracuse is going to be punished.....they're going to the ACC.

Tugg Speedman · « **Reply #23 on:** March 13, 2012, 08:23:51 PM »

Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 13, 2012, 08:19:15 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conference_USA_Men's_Basketball_Tournament

Granted this is a conference tournament and not a regular season title, but Memphis had to forfeit all of its games and they are still listed as the C-USA champion.

This is why we need to hang a banner, vacating means nothing. If we hang a banner, we make it mean something.

kira67 · « **Reply #24 on:** March 13, 2012, 09:00:57 PM »

If somebody cheats at the Olympics, Silver Medal gets the Gold, so I say, let's hang a "2012 Big East Champs" banner.

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