Name 5 better players in country than crowder

[Wade for President]

Jae:  17.7 PPG  7.7 RPG  2.1 Assists/g   1.2 TO/g   2.4 STL/g   1.0 Blk/g

Cody: 15.7 PPG 6.6 RPG   1.2   Assists/g     1.5  TO/g   1.3 STL/g   1.3 Blk/g

Jae wins every category except blocks... and Zeller is much taller.

Yes, Cody has the potential to be great, but this year its not really even close.

I don't want to go off topic too much here, but the glaring stat for Cody Zeller is one that was not listed above.  The kid is shooting 64.5% from the field.  For a freshman, that's absolutely absurd...with 85 less shot attempts than Jae (there's your difference in scoring average).

As good as Cody has been, Crean does a piss poor job of running the offense through him (and often sits him down for way too long).

Still...LOVE me some Jae Crowder.

[Silkk the Shaka]

As coincidence would have it, after last night's performance, Jae Crowder is now #10 on KenPom's national POY list, behind:

1   Thomas Robinson, Kansas
2   Draymond Green, Michigan St.
3   Jared Sullinger, Ohio St.   
4   Mike Scott, Virginia
5   Anthony Davis, Kentucky
6   Jordan Taylor, Wisconsin
7   Will Barton, Memphis
8   Tyler Zeller, North Carolina
9   Cody Zeller, Indiana
10   Jae Crowder, Marquette   

I'd take him over everyone on that list THIS YEAR aside from Robinson, Green, Sullinger and Davis.  And frankly, with Ken's explanation of how his POY is determined (mostly through individual statistical analysis with a dash of how the team is performing overall), it boggles my mind that players like Will Barton and Mike Scott are listed higher than him.  Crowder has a higher ORtg, his Block/Steal #'s are WAY higher than both, and MU is ranked higher in his ratings.  Same with Jordan Taylor, but I'm guessing he gets credit due to position and the fact that his team is 11 slots higher than MU in Ken's ratings.

Put this together with bama's list from yesterday (Crowder #2 overall), and Crowder simply cannot be ignored when discussing the absolute BEST players in America this year.

[JWags85]

I have no idea how KenPom does his stats, but I looked at Jordan Taylor just cause his struggles this year have been well documented.

14.3 PPG, 4.2 APG, 3.5 RPG, 1 SPG, shooting 39%/75.4%/33.3%

Not bad, but that wouldn't even guarantee a first team all B10 based on numbers alone.

Will Barton is putting up WAY better numbers at least with 18 PPG, 8 RPG (for a guard) and significantly better shooting numbers.  Same with Mike Scott.

[Silkk the Shaka]

I have no idea how KenPom does his stats, but I looked at Jordan Taylor just cause his struggles this year have been well documented.

14.3 PPG, 4.2 APG, 3.5 RPG, 1 SPG, shooting 39%/75.4%/33.3%

Not bad, but that wouldn't even guarantee a first team all B10 based on numbers alone.

Will Barton is putting up WAY better numbers at least with 18 PPG, 8 RPG (for a guard) and significantly better shooting numbers.  Same with Mike Scott.

Ken looks at efficiency, not at per game averages.  On second look, those guys all have much higher usage rates, that probably tips the scales slightly in their favor in his calculations.

[MerrittsMustache]

Ken looks at efficiency, not at per game averages.  On second look, those guys all have much higher usage rates, that probably tips the scales slightly in their favor in his calculations.

How does his sorry 39% FG% affect his efficiency numbers? I honestly don't know how those numbers are calculated but I'd think that if a player takes almost one-quarter of his team's shots and makes less than 40% of them, his efficiency numbers would be pretty ugly.

[Canadian Dimes]

But most importantly how many deflections is he averaging??

[mu03eng]

Ken looks at efficiency, not at per game averages.  On second look, those guys all have much higher usage rates, that probably tips the scales slightly in their favor in his calculations.

And I think thats where having DJO playing insane himself right now hurts Crowder and vice versa from a POY standpoint.  From my standpoint I am a pig in slop

[Silkk the Shaka]

How does his sorry 39% FG% affect his efficiency numbers? I honestly don't know how those numbers are calculated but I'd think that if a player takes almost one-quarter of his team's shots and makes less than 40% of them, his efficiency numbers would be pretty ugly.

High assist rate, low turnover rate?  I'm not sure.  But his overall offensive efficiency rating is much lower than Jae's (112.1, 351st in country vs. 124.4, 41st in country) and like I said blocks and steals aren't even in Jae's ballpark either.  I can't make a logical argument that Taylor is even close to Jae this season.  It has to be that his minutes and usage rate are much higher on a team ranked 11 slots higher in Ken's system.  That's the only thing I can think of.

[karavotsos]

Critics of Jae who say he is too slow to guard NBA small forwards and not big enough to guard NBA power forwards are simply wrong. The inverse is the reality: he's too fast/smart for NBA 5s with too much range and too big/physical for NBA 4s. He's built like a tight end but can bring the ball up the court and play out on the perimeter and pull up and knock down the 3. This enables him to force opposing Ds to cover and spread the defense. This is a huge part of the modern NBA that doesn't allow hand checks and is all offenses that run sets to allow the guards to attack the basket for a bucket or kick out to the open man for 3. Down low he is so wide at 6'6" that he can guard guys bigger than him and get boards, like he did in the UConn game. The "big man" will always be a part of a game with 10 foot baskets, but it is more about motion offenses now and being a tweener is no longer than the deadly label it once was. Jae fits right into today's NBA.  

This looks like the same argument George Karl made to Ernie Grunfeld to get him to bring in Anthony Mason.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

This isn't hard.

Davis
Sullinger
McDermott
Robinson
Green

More?

Rivers
Jones
Barnes
Zeller
Denmom

Rivers, no.

[Hoopaloop]

I dare you. Anthony Davis, ky. Robinson, ku. Sullinger, Osu. Barnes, unc.

Nobody else.

Sadly, djo will take votes from crowder for big east POY. Kevin jones of wvu will win.

Nobody else does it on both ends. Davis doesn't hit threes. Barnes doesn't get the steals. Amazing year. He is a man out there. Rutgers team was in awe.

Ken Pom has his own rating system.  After last night's game, he has Crowder up to 10th in the nation.  That's high praise when you consider all the teams in Division I.

Here are his top 10 and the rating number

1   Thomas Robinson, Kansas   .544
2   Draymond Green, Michigan St.   .519
3   Jared Sullinger, Ohio St.   .489
4   Mike Scott, Virginia   .456
5   Anthony Davis, Kentucky   .449
6   Will Barton, Memphis   .403
7   Jordan Taylor, Wisconsin   .396
8   Tyler Zeller, North Carolina   .370
9   Cody Zeller, Indiana   .361
10   Jae Crowder, Marquette   .357


Link to how he chooses

http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/introducing_the_kpoy/