CUSA+Mountain West

[T-Bone]

http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/29532522/34822810

Rumored before, but now seems to be moving along.

Anyone we want from the scraps that we don't have?

[Dawson Rental]

Temple is starting to look very lonely, but we've already passed on them for the time being, at least.

[GGGG]

What a clusterf*ck.  Seriously, what kind of conference stretches from Greenville, North Carolina to Hawaii??? 

I guess that is only slightly worse than one that stretches from New York to San Diego....

[T-Bone]

I guess that is only slightly worse than one that stretches from New York to San Diego....

Worse.  Providence to San Diego.

[EnderWiggen]

Rumor is that Temple will be joining the new CUSA/MW conference.  I think we missed a great opportunity to pick them up...

[TJ]

What a clusterf*ck.  Seriously, what kind of conference stretches from Greenville, North Carolina to Hawaii??? 

I guess that is only slightly worse than one that stretches from New York to San Diego....

One that is forced to form itself out of the rubble that is left after the ones at the top are done with their greedy and egocentric moves.

[Buzz Williams' Spillproof Chiclets Cup]

What a clusterf*ck.  Seriously, what kind of conference stretches from Greenville, North Carolina to Hawaii??? 

I guess that is only slightly worse than one that stretches from New York to San Diego....

Greenville to Honolulu is farther than Philadelphia to Moscow, Russia.

Moscow State University to the Big East!


They're probably under consideration if they play football...

[GGGG]

One that is forced to form itself out of the rubble that is left after the ones at the top are done with their greedy and egocentric moves.

Was Marquette egocentric when it left CUSA for the Big East?  I'm so confused.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Greenville to Honolulu is farther than Philadelphia to Moscow, Russia.

Moscow State University to the Big East!


They're probably under consideration if they play football...

nah, UW is pretty happy in the big 10/1G

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

I'd take UTEP if they were interested. What's another Texas team? As others have said, Temple seems to be the next best available option, unless the Big East is interested in adding a team for BBALL only.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Was Marquette egocentric when it left CUSA for the Big East?  I'm so confused.

MU has gone from the West Coast of the Big East to the geographic center.  Time to relocate the home office to the Third Ward

[MUMac]

MU has gone from the West Coast of the Big East to the geographic center.  Time to relocate the home office to the Third Ward

If it's good enough for MLB, it should be good enough for the BE.   

[TJ]

Was Marquette egocentric when it left CUSA for the Big East?  I'm so confused.

Obviously I don't know this for fact, but my assumption has always been that MU was not the driving force behind the 2005 move and they they were riding the wave, so to speak.  CUSA was changing drastically with or without MU.  Even still, I would say it was egocentric - it was a selfish move on the part of all 8 teams involved in the 2005 changes.  Just because it worked out well for a team I root for doesn't mean it wasn't.

[dbwarriors]

Absolutely agree

[GGGG]

Obviously I don't know this for fact, but my assumption has always been that MU was not the driving force behind the 2005 move and they they were riding the wave, so to speak.  CUSA was changing drastically with or without MU.  Even still, I would say it was egocentric - it was a selfish move on the part of all 8 teams involved in the 2005 changes.  Just because it worked out well for a team I root for doesn't mean it wasn't.

Well yeah...  But IMO it is a little disingenuous for people to label some schools as "egocentric" when we have made the exact same moves for the exact same reasons.  Hell, we have been conference nomads...four of them since 1989.

[TJ]

Well yeah...  But IMO it is a little disingenuous for people to label some schools as "egocentric" when we have made the exact same moves for the exact same reasons.  Hell, we have been conference nomads...four of them since 1989.

The situations were different than now, as I believe that the decisions for MU were never just about greedily doing whatever would earn them more money, without regard for anyone or anything else.  I may be wrong, but that's what this round of movements screams to me.  More money for me/us - even if it completely screws everyone else.  I don't want to argue that changing conferences is inherently wrong - it's the greed and complete lack of regard for anyone else that I don't like (come to our conference - it might destroy your conference and all your former partners, leaving them scrambling to find a place to play, but screw 'em).  I'm not completely familiar with all of MU's moves of the past, but I would not label our move from CUSA -> BE as being like that, and I believe that our move from GMC -> CUSA was because GMC ceased to exist.

If it's the word "egocentric" you don't like, just replace it with "selfish" and read again.

[GGGG]

The situations were different than now, as I believe that the decisions for MU were never just about greedily doing whatever would earn them more money, without regard for anyone or anything else.  I may be wrong, but that's what this round of movements screams to me.  More money for me/us - even if it completely screws everyone else.  I don't want to argue that changing conferences is inherently wrong - it's the greed and complete lack of regard for anyone else that I don't like (come to our conference - it might destroy your conference and all your former partners, leaving them scrambling to find a place to play, but screw 'em).  I'm not completely familiar with all of MU's moves of the past, but I would not label our move from CUSA -> BE as being like that, and I believe that our move from GMC -> CUSA was because GMC ceased to exist.

If it's the word "egocentric" you don't like, just replace it with "selfish" and read again.

I guess it is just a matter of perspective.  I'm sure the MCC wasn't happy when we ditched them for the Great Midwest after only two years.  I'm sure we were labelled as "selfish" or "greedy" at the time too. 

[tower912]

This move makes perfect sense to me.   Two lower level leagues teaming up to firm up their bases, increase their markets, hopefully insulate themselves about further losses, increase their collective bargaining power.   

[TJ]

I guess it is just a matter of perspective.  I'm sure the MCC wasn't happy when we ditched them for the Great Midwest after only two years.  I'm sure we were labelled as "selfish" or "greedy" at the time too.  

Probably.  I don't think anyone feared the move would change the landscape of college sports forever, but the members at the time probably did feel slighted.

I lack any historical perspective, but I put that move under a category more of an Independent looking for a home, then realizing quickly that their first choice wasn't right for them and moving on to a better fit.  Feelings were probably hurt, but I bet no one thought that that MU's motivation at the time was to get as much money as possible, screw those MCC members.

[TJ]

This move makes perfect sense to me.   Two lower level leagues teaming up to firm up their bases, increase their markets, hopefully insulate themselves about further losses, increase their collective bargaining power.   

+1

[GGGG]

Probably.  I don't think anyone feared the move would change the landscape of college sports forever, but the members at the time probably did feel slighted.

I lack any historical perspective, but I put that move under a category more of an Independent looking for a home, then realizing quickly that their first choice wasn't right for them and moving on to a better fit.  Feelings were probably hurt, but I bet no one thought that that MU's motivation at the time was to get as much money as possible, screw those MCC members.

But I think you are making my point.  I think Pitt's fans feel they are "moving on for a better fit" in the ACC as well.  (And MU's move was just as much about $$ as Pitt's is.)

[MUMac]

But I think you are making my point.  I think Pitt's fans feel they are "moving on for a better fit" in the ACC as well.  (And MU's move was just as much about $$ as Pitt's is.)

Do Pitt fans feel that way?  I am asking, as I really had not seen, nor heard comments one way or another.  That would go for Cuse and WVU fans as well.  I know what their administrations have said, and have an idea that - at least in two cases - their Basketball Coaches may not have shared the same sentiment.

[muwarrior69]

Perhaps we should rename the league the Big Weast.

[GGGG]

Do Pitt fans feel that way?  I am asking, as I really had not seen, nor heard comments one way or another.  That would go for Cuse and WVU fans as well.  I know what their administrations have said, and have an idea that - at least in two cases - their Basketball Coaches may not have shared the same sentiment.

Well, even if they don't agree with the move, I am sure they are justifying it that way.  I doubt they feel that they are out to screw the Big East.

[TJ]

But I think you are making my point.  I think Pitt's fans feel they are "moving on for a better fit" in the ACC as well.  (And MU's move was just as much about $$ as Pitt's is.)

Maybe.  I stilll feel the situations were different - MU left its first conference after 2 years because it wasn't in the right conference; PITT and SU are leaving a conference after 30 years that obviously works for them, no matter whether the ACC will work also or not.  But again, I have no historical perspective - I wasn't following any of this in the early 90's.

I assume that our move in '91 was relatively minor, impacting very few other schools in any way.  The moves being made today have far reaching effects across all of college sports.  They're moves by major players.  Two major conferences have been threatened with no longer existing in the past year.  In principal what's happening may be similar to what happened with MU in '91, but everything today is on a so much larger scale.