How long is your coach under contract for?

[lab_warrior]

Some of us have been talking about who should replace Rick Barnes for the Longhorns.  You coach's name comes up a bit with mixed feelings from our fans.  How long does Buzz Williams have left on his contract?

We know Buzz has Texas ties.

http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/105514-Potential-coaching-candidates./page2

Andy Katz? Is that you?!

[THE LOVER]

Buzz Williams would never fit in at Texas . Their a wine and cheese crowd. There is very little interest in basketball at that school.

[GGGG]

Not trying to be a dick, but other than being the same state, UT and A&M athletics are nothing alike.

UT, while not a traditional basketball school, is an absolute monster job. HUGE budget. HUGE salary. That athletic department is insanely big, and can afford whatever they want.

Buzz may stay at MU for 30 years. Who knows.

But, let's not pretend that UT and A&M are the similar gigs. They aren't.

To back this up:

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2011/08/22/In-Depth/Budgets.aspx

Texas is beyond A&M.  That being said, my impression is that UT would want someone a little more "refined" than Buzz.  Honestly, I would think a Jamie Dixon or Thad Matta would be a better fit.

[🏀]

+1. Is Webers job strictly based on making the tourney this year?

If he ain't dancing, he ain't coaching at Assembly Hall.

However, Buzz isn't leaving for Illinois. Maybe he'll float his name out there as the top candidate, only to find out Illinois was never interested though.

[LAZER]

Unfortunately I think if Texas wants Buzz, MU might be in trouble.

[Canadian Dimes]

Or maybe he lets it out because he is at MU and knows it will play well.  Prior to coming to MU was he as outspoken as an assistant?  no.

I totally agree with 2002MUalum here.  I think a lot of you don't understand that UT is a HUGE job.

outspoken as an assistant...mow there is an oxymoron if i have ever heard one!!

[Canadian Dimes]

I agree with others to compare the UT job with A&M, Oklahoma, or Arkansas is to simply crazy.

Ut has probably the biggest athletics budget in the country.  texas has more D1 basketball prospects than prolly any other state in the country year in and year out.  And UT basically has there pick of them.   Barnes gets multiple Mc donalds all-Americans every year.

Barnes is not only aging but his teams are not playing like they have in years past either.

Would have to think BUzz, as much as I like him, would take a completely different look at UT than he did the schools last summer. 

Not saying he would take it for sure... I have no idea...But it is home and it is on a top 10 level of jobs. 

[The Lens]

Andy Katz? Is that you?!

1) Andy Katz lists coaches names b/c either that coach, that coach's agent / guy / rep / attorney or a hiring school's AD has told Katz the coach is interested.  He never pulled TC's name out of thin air.  It was in his columns b/c of TC.

2) Not sure if this poster is actually the mod of Orange Bloods (Chip Brown) but they broke a ton of conference realignment news last summer.  Extremely well sourced.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/richard_deitsch/06/23/media.brown/index.html

[kmwtrucks]

If Buzz thought he could recruit at a top 10-15 type level at MU he would stay. Buzz works so hard at recruiting and that runs you down over time.  At UT he would get better recruits and have to work 1/2 as hard.   It would be like working 80 hour weeks trying to sell things and only closing 1 out of 5 deals.  UT you would work 40 hours and close 2 out of 5. 

[GOO]

if he's winning his shtick will play well anywhere...if he's losing, it won't play well anywhere.  tc tried to play up the private school thing a few times, it was the most pathetic thing i ever saw.  he has a future job in tv preacher. 

Exactly.  He has a bigger leash at MU, or no leash.  And he has built up a lot of good will here and the powers know he brings it... so  down year or two will be tolerated.  However, any coach that looses, with or without a shtick (and I for one don't mean this in a negative way, as Buzz's shtick is really just Buzz being himself and not putting up a false image), won't last real long. 

We at MU have become used to winning and being ranked in the top 25.  These are not birth rights, but lately many MU fans have a spaz at any loss or two.  We should be greatful for what we have and not just accept it.

[Les Nessman]

If Buzz thought he could recruit at a top 10-15 type level at MU he would stay. Buzz works so hard at recruiting and that runs you down over time.  At UT he would get better recruits and have to work 1/2 as hard.   It would be like working 80 hour weeks trying to sell things and only closing 1 out of 5 deals.  UT you would work 40 hours and close 2 out of 5. 

I find this hard to believe.

[Lennys Tap]

I'm with 2002 and Hards on this one - UT is a huge job and comparing it to A+M is like comparing UNC to NC State.

Interesting, though, that our UT visitor reports that Texas fans are mixed over whether Buzz would be a good fit. IMHO Barnes is nothing special and Williams would be a huge upgrade.

[GGGG]

If Buzz thought he could recruit at a top 10-15 type level at MU he would stay. Buzz works so hard at recruiting and that runs you down over time.  At UT he would get better recruits and have to work 1/2 as hard.   It would be like working 80 hour weeks trying to sell things and only closing 1 out of 5 deals.  UT you would work 40 hours and close 2 out of 5.  

If this were football, I would agree with you.  But it's basketball.  And don't sell Rick Barnes short in this regard...he is considered a very good recruiter.

[kmwtrucks]

Let me know which thing your disagree with.
1)Texas is the most promient school in texas by a fairly wide margin (IE has the best rep, gets the most press, has the most fans, spends the most money on Sports)
2)The state of Texas averages how many HM recruits each year? 25 would be my guess compared to less then 5 for WISC.
3)It is much easier to recruit player's that have been fans of a school for many years then it is to recruit someone who knows very little about the school.
4)Its much easier to recruit player's from the state you are in: you already know all of the AAU coach's, High School coach's, etc.  Its easier on travel becuase you are not flying accross the country to see see the kids.

[Stronghold]

4)Its much easier to recruit player's from the state you are in: you already know all of the AAU coach's, High School coach's, etc.  Its easier on travel becuase you are not flying accross the country to see see the kids.

This can have an influence but take Wisco as an example.  Bo has not been able to land some of the best talent in WI the last decade including, but not limited to, Wes, Maymom, Blue, Bray, Christopherson, Tokoto, Lucious.

[MerrittsMustache]

This can have an influence but take Wisco as an example.  Bo has not been able to land some of the best talent in WI the last decade including, but not limited to, Wes, Maymom, Blue, Bray, Christopherson, Tokoto, Lucious.

That's because Bo cooled on them.

[Warriors10]

I can see why A&M hates UT after reading 2 pages of that topic.  Egos blown to the sky.

[🏀]

This can have an influence but take Wisco as an example.  Bo has not been able to land some of the best talent in WI the last decade including, but not limited to, Wes, Maymom, Blue, Bray, Christopherson, Tokoto, Lucious.

Burton.

[downtown85]

Let me know which thing your disagree with.
1)Texas is the most promient school in texas by a fairly wide margin (IE has the best rep, gets the most press, has the most fans, spends the most money on Sports)
2)The state of Texas averages how many HM recruits each year? 25 would be my guess compared to less then 5 for WISC.
3)It is much easier to recruit player's that have been fans of a school for many years then it is to recruit someone who knows very little about the school.
4)Its much easier to recruit player's from the state you are in: you already know all of the AAU coach's, High School coach's, etc.  Its easier on travel becuase you are not flying accross the country to see see the kids.

5) They have their own TV network? I'm not sure how that is working out but not many schools have their own sports tv network.  

[The Equalizer]

Not trying to be a dick, but other than being the same state, UT and A&M athletics are nothing alike.

UT, while not a traditional basketball school, is an absolute monster job. HUGE budget. HUGE salary. That athletic department is insanely big, and can afford whatever they want.

Buzz may stay at MU for 30 years. Who knows.

But, let's not pretend that UT and A&M are the similar gigs. They aren't.

The Texas A&M athletic budget is about $75 million, putting them slightly ahead of teams like Louisville, WVU or Illinois.

UT is in the stratosphere with a budget of over $150 million.  
 

[Skatastrophy]

The Texas A&M athletic budget is about $75 million, putting them slightly ahead of teams like Louisville, WVU or Illinois.

UT is in the stratosphere with a budget of over $150 million.  
 

That's a lot of money for mediocre teams.

Edit - It looks like Coach Buzz and Coach Barnes make about the same amount of money right now.  If he leaves, though, I doubt it'll be for money.  He's a religous/family-oriented dude.  I'd guess that his wife has as much as a say in moving as he does

[dw3dw3dw3]

5) They have their own TV network? I'm not sure how that is working out but not many schools have their own sports tv network.  

Didn't you hear, we have the Marquette Radio Network, same thing!

Barnes isn't getting dumped this year. UT is the only school I would worry about for Buzz though. I don't think he's polished enough for what a Kansas, Duke, NC, Kentucky, UCLA would look for. Minnesota and Illinois may have openings this year, and feel like they can just grab Buzz, but I don't even know if it's more than a 30 second phone call to Buzz to understand they don't have a chance.

The Illini board has a 40 pg thread on this, with most people wanting Buzz as one of their top 3 options along with Shaka, Painter, and Grant. Seems like they are under some pressure to hire an African American candidate though.

[Skatastrophy]

Seems like they are under some pressure to hire an African American candidate though.

Really?  Why is that?

[GGGG]

No minorities were finalists for either the AD or the football position...I believe that is what I read.

[dw3dw3dw3]

Really?  Why is that?

http://www.csnchicago.com/preps/news/Will-Simeons-Smith-be-the-next-coach-at-?blockID=649950&feedID=629