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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2125 on: February 11, 2019, 10:51:29 AM »
From Seth Davis in his Athletic article today:

If you are a savvy reader, then you are not confused as to why I have Villanova ranked a spot ahead of Marquette even though the Golden Eagles won their matchup on Saturday. The twofold answer should be obvious: First, Marquette lost at home earlier in the week to St. John’s, giving the Red Storm a season sweep. Second, the win over Villanova was at home and came down to the final possession. For rankings purposes, that’s a wash, at best.

https://theathletic.com/810685/2019/02/11/hoop-thoughts-no-coachspeak-allowed-lets-go-behind-enemy-lines-to-hear-the-truth-on-the-top-teams/
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2126 on: February 11, 2019, 10:53:56 AM »
Rankings at this point now are meaningless since they came out with the top 4 seeds. Marquette would still be a 3 after beating nova and Nova would still be less than a 4 with the loss to MU.

I get its a talking point and I agree with what Davis said but its a moot point.

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2127 on: February 11, 2019, 10:54:31 AM »
From Seth Davis in his Athletic article today:

If you are a savvy reader, then you are not confused as to why I have Villanova ranked a spot ahead of Marquette even though the Golden Eagles won their matchup on Saturday. The twofold answer should be obvious: First, Marquette lost at home earlier in the week to St. John’s, giving the Red Storm a season sweep. Second, the win over Villanova was at home and came down to the final possession. For rankings purposes, that’s a wash, at best.

https://theathletic.com/810685/2019/02/11/hoop-thoughts-no-coachspeak-allowed-lets-go-behind-enemy-lines-to-hear-the-truth-on-the-top-teams/

So he faults us for losing at home to SJU but all's forgiven with the loss to furman? Idk why these guys just can't admit that it comes down to recent success nova is a household name right now we are not
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2128 on: February 11, 2019, 10:58:15 AM »
So he faults us for losing at home to SJU but all's forgiven with the loss to furman? Idk why these guys just can't admit that it comes down to recent success nova is a household name right now we are not

He's been called out on that and other similar situations (Ex: Purdue ahead of Michigan despite losing to Michigan by 20) and his response is that those games were in the past and he is voting on the team's current state.
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2129 on: February 11, 2019, 10:59:49 AM »
He's been called out on that and other similar situations (Ex: Purdue ahead of Michigan despite losing to Michigan by 20) and his response is that those games were in the past and he is voting on the team's current state.

You could just as easily argue that we were one shot away from a blowout. Up 15 with the ball and Howard misses a 3. Who knows how much we win by if we add to that lead.

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2130 on: February 11, 2019, 11:02:58 AM »
Yup, Seth Davis is really over thinking this.

I do rankings for high school teams in the area and after the initial preseason rankings (complete guess work) I have very simple criterion. What good wins do you have, do you have any head-scratching losses, and what have you done lately.

At the high school level it's a little different because those early season games tend to be a horrible indicator of how good a team actually is because they improve (or regress) so drastically throughout the course of a season.

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2131 on: February 11, 2019, 11:03:41 AM »
He's been called out on that and other similar situations (Ex: Purdue ahead of Michigan despite losing to Michigan by 20) and his response is that those games were in the past and he is voting on the team's current state.

The current state is we won. He just doesn't seem to use consistent rationale for all the teams
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2133 on: February 11, 2019, 11:18:42 AM »
Nova rose a spot for losing to us.
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2134 on: February 11, 2019, 11:19:47 AM »
The Top Twenty Five
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   The top 25 teams in The Associated Press' college basketball poll, with first-place votes in parentheses, records through Feb. 10, total points based on 25 points for a first-place vote through one point for a 25th-place vote and last week's ranking:
                                    Record      Pts  Prv
  1.  Tennessee  (40)    22-1      1573      1
  2.  Duke  (24)              21-2      1554      2
  3.  Gonzaga                  23-2      1457      4
  4.  Virginia                20-2      1406      3
  5.  Kentucky                20-3      1330      5
  6.  Michigan                22-2      1253      7
  7.  Nevada                    23-1      1230      6
  8.  North  Carolina    19-4      1178      8
  9.  Houston                  23-1      1022    12
10.  Marquette              20-4        953    10
11.  Michigan  St.        19-5        948      9
12.  Purdue                    17-6        900    15
13.  Villanova              19-5        753    14
14.  Kansas                    18-6        699    13
15.  Texas  Tech            19-5        660    18
16.  Louisville            17-7        542    16
17.  Florida  St.          18-5        455    22
18.  Kansas  St.            18-5        444      --
19.  LSU                          19-4        437    21
20.  Wisconsin              17-7        403    19
21.  Iowa                        19-5        399    20
22.  Virginia  Tech      18-5        393    11
23.  Iowa  St.                18-6        280    17
24.  Maryland                18-6        196    24
25.  Buffalo                  20-3        170    23
   Others receiving votes: Cincinnati 76, Auburn 35, Wofford 22, Washington 17, Lipscomb 6, TCU 5, Texas 3, Clemson 1.

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2135 on: February 11, 2019, 11:20:11 AM »
Surprisingly Bucky fell one spot after their loss...I was expecting them to jump a few spots up
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« Reply #2136 on: February 11, 2019, 11:21:54 AM »
And for those of us who love to keep tabs on our good friend Jesse Newell, he has us at 22
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2137 on: February 11, 2019, 11:30:24 AM »
We've reached the point where we are so good that Nova can lose to us and still move up!

I'm joking.......sort of.....lol
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2138 on: February 11, 2019, 11:32:25 AM »
This ranking is good news. Maintain our spot on a one loss week. We are living in a good neighborhood.

 Lets get two wins this week.

It is also a good thing Nova is rising. If any of the  Big East lower 8 can get a win against them it will help their cause. 
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2139 on: February 11, 2019, 11:32:54 AM »
Nova moves up with the loss. Michigan state drops 2 spots, but Houston moves up 3 and we stay at 10.  WTF?  Houston moves up 3 on the strength of beating Cincy?
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2140 on: February 11, 2019, 11:33:10 AM »
So if Marquette loses at Nova by 1 point, Seth would have to put us ahead of them since we only lost by 1 on the road.
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2141 on: February 11, 2019, 11:33:34 AM »
This ranking is good news. Maintain our spot on a one loss week. We are living in a good neighborhood.

 Lets get two wins this week.

It is also a good thing Nova is rising. If any of the  Big East lower 8 can get a win against them it will help their cause.

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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2142 on: February 11, 2019, 11:36:58 AM »
Lets get two wins this week.

Don't like our odds getting two wins since we only have one game this week.
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2143 on: February 11, 2019, 11:37:06 AM »
Nova moves up with the loss. Michigan state drops 2 spots, but Houston moves up 3 and we stay at 10.  WTF?  Houston moves up 3 on the strength of beating Cincy?

What is egregious about any of that? We lost this week. Houston didn't. Houston is 23-1. Michigan State lost earlier this week to a terrible Illinois team and has lost 3 of 4.
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2144 on: February 11, 2019, 11:38:51 AM »
I still think 10 or 11. I don't see the writer having Purdue jump us and everyone behinds us loss other than Houston. I thought Houston would leapfrog us but that we would leapfrog Michigan State. I am less confident about leapfrogging Michigan State based on early voting.

Damn, shouldn't have second guessed myself.

Michigan State and Purdue are uncomfortably close and while we are in striking distance of Houston, North Carolina has a sizable gap behind them.

We should be favored in both games this week while Purdue and Michigan State have two tough road games. If we are lucky, we should be able to get some breathing room. If SJU could knock off Nova that would be swell.

Kansas State shot up like a rocket, NR to #18 is impressive. Glad that win keeps getting better with age.

Only 8 teams and 165 votes in the others receiving votes category. Think that's the lowest its been all season, and one of the lowest I've ever seen. Seems like there is a pretty solidified top 26 teams.
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Re: So....What are we ranked on Monday - 2/11/19
« Reply #2145 on: February 11, 2019, 11:40:23 AM »
Nova moves up with the loss. Michigan state drops 2 spots, but Houston moves up 3 and we stay at 10.  WTF?  Houston moves up 3 on the strength of beating Cincy?

Houston winning at UCF (bubble team) and home against Cincy (borderline top 26 team) is a solid week. Throw in our loss to SJU at home and it's understandable that they leapfrogged us. Michigan State lost to an Illinois team with single digit wins on the season.
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« Reply #2146 on: February 11, 2019, 11:40:38 AM »
Damn, shouldn't have second guessed myself.

Michigan State and Purdue are uncomfortably close and while we are in striking distance of Houston, North Carolina has a sizable gap behind them.

We should be favored in both games this week while Purdue and Michigan State have two tough road games. If we are lucky, we should be able to get some breathing room. If SJU could knock off Nova that would be swell.

Kansas State shot up like a rocket, NR to #18 is impressive. Glad that win keeps getting better with age.

Only 8 teams and 165 votes in the others receiving votes category. Think that's the lowest its been all season, and one of the lowest I've ever seen. Seems like there is a pretty solidified top 26 teams.

We only have one game this week then eight days until we play again. Really hope we win tomorrow or it is going to be a long eight days.
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« Reply #2147 on: February 11, 2019, 11:43:04 AM »
Don't like our odds getting two wins since we only have one game this week.


Two out of three weekends with no game. What's up with that?
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« Reply #2148 on: February 11, 2019, 11:45:06 AM »
We only have one game this week then eight days until we play again. Really hope we win tomorrow or it is going to be a long eight days.

You're right, mea culpa.

And you're double right about tomorrow. If we lose to DePaul with an 8 day break coming....things could get ugly on here
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« Reply #2149 on: February 11, 2019, 11:47:00 AM »
We only have one game this week then eight days until we play again. Really hope we win tomorrow or it is going to be a long eight days.
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