Fight at the end of Xavier-Cinci game

[dwaderoy2004]

Super weak based on cronin's words yesterday.  Wonder if the big east can apply their own suspension from league games as they see fit.

[dwaderoy2004]

Just saw the article.  Big East supports the punishment. I guess that'll be all.

[Windyplayer]

Cincinnati just announced that Gates, Ellis and Mbodj will be suspended for 6 games, and Guyn will be suspended for one.

Xavier hasn't announced anything yet.

Pretty weak, IMO.

What a joke. I have no respect for that institution. The guy committed a battery on national television and UC suspends him for six games. BS. If I'm the DA in Cincy, I'm going after him.

[nyg]

After Cronin's passionate speech, six games is a farce. 

[Golden Avalanche]

After Cronin's passionate speech, six games is a farce. 

Like I wrote earlier, Cronin was weak last year when Gates deserved much more. Had a feeling his actions wouldn't measure up. Was surprised when everyone was giving him such credit on minimal achievement yesterday.

[🏀]

Holloway deserved a game for his presser, let alone his actions starting the fight.

[dwaderoy2004]

One game for Holloway, two for Lyons, four for wells and another player.  Also pretty weak.

[gjreda]

One game for Holloway, two for Lyons, four for wells and another player.  Also pretty weak.

The other player is the walk-on.  What a joke by both teams.

[Earl Tatum]

I think Gates and Mbodj should be suspended for the season, lose the scholarship and be released from school. They are representing a learning institution. Would not let them in uniform CU uniform again. Holloway and Lyons 15 games and Wells 10. In fact it was it was Ge'
lawn Guyn of CU who pushed the X player just at the end that started this thing. What did he get, one game. Also the refs should be banned. Never heard a thing from the Xavier coach.
Must be chicken. Like Cronin's remarks. Hope he backs them up.

[MUBurrow]

I think the suspensions are a little light, but I wouldn't want to see these kids get their scholarships pulled. Until the NCAA and schools begin taking the representation of an academic institution seriously, I would find it highly hypocritical to punish the kids on those grounds.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

Gates was the big jerk in the whole thing: sucker punches a guy and backs out of the scrum. Goes back in where he won't get hurt and challenges more players and then punches somebody else who isn't looking. 6 games isn't enough dor actions like that.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Penalty for going to a Brewers playoff game with a friend = 3 games

Penalty for major recruiting violations by a coach = 3 games

Penalty for involvement in a major brawl  = 1-6 games

Priceless

[jesmu84]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7343412/xavier-cincinnati-issue-race-college-basketball

Race issue in the fight examined

[MUMac]

I think Gates and Mbodj should be suspended for the season, lose the scholarship and be released from school. They are representing a learning institution. Would not let them in uniform CU uniform again. Holloway and Lyons 15 games and Wells 10. In fact it was it was Ge'
lawn Guyn of CU who pushed the X player just at the end that started this thing. What did he get, one game. Also the refs should be banned. Never heard a thing from the Xavier coach.
Must be chicken. Like Cronin's remarks. Hope he backs them up.

If you think that is what started this thing, well, words cannot describe.

Maybe it was Holloway's taunting of the bench, coming down the court, getting in Guyn's face, throwing a punch at the same time Lyons comes over and takes down Guyn?  Nah, all Guyn's fault.   

These suspensions are a joke.  Holloway, Lyons and Wells should all be gone longer for X.  Gates and Mbodj should be a minimum of 10 games. 

[Hards Alumni]

Holloway deserved a game for his presser, let alone his actions starting the fight.

Lyons and Holloway did.  No remorse.  Couple of kids think they are tough.  Lyons mentioned "Where we come from" (Upstate New York, yeah real tough) and all that garbage.  Tu isn't a gangster.  He's from Long Island... East of the city.

[nyg]

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/ohio-prosecutor-mulls-charges-after-college-basketball-game-2025926.html

Maybe not over yet....

[MUMac]

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/ohio-prosecutor-mulls-charges-after-college-basketball-game-2025926.html

Maybe not over yet....

Grandstanding by a person with higher ambitions? 

I do not care for the involvement of a prosecutor in situations like this.  Is he going to go after all bar fights now as well?

[mu03eng]

Grandstanding by a person with higher ambitions? 

I do not care for the involvement of a prosecutor in situations like this.  Is he going to go after all bar fights now as well?

I'm all for it if it is used as a lever to get stiffer suspensions against the players.  These are an absolute joke, needs to line up much more with the Artest melee than a slap on the wrist.

[dwaderoy2004]

Grandstanding by a person with higher ambitions? 

I do not care for the involvement of a prosecutor in situations like this.  Is he going to go after all bar fights now as well?

I would think he would if there was HD video of the bar fight available from multiple angles...

[MUMac]

I would think he would if there was HD video of the bar fight available from multiple angles...

I would expect a prosecuter in Cincinnati would have more pressing issues to deal with than than a bar fight or a basketball brawl.  He is inserting himself here for publicity.  Nothing more.

I am not a fan of the authorities inserting themselves into an area that police's itself.  You may disagree with the punishment, but you could make that argument anywhere.

Emotion based, some may want involvement like this.  I don't and think it would set a terrible precedent and become a slippery slope.

[mu03eng]

I would expect a prosecuter in Cincinnati would have more pressing issues to deal with than than a bar fight or a basketball brawl.  He is inserting himself here for publicity.  Nothing more.

I am not a fan of the authorities inserting themselves into an area that police's itself.  You may disagree with the punishment, but you could make that argument anywhere.

Emotion based, some may want involvement like this.  I don't and think it would set a terrible precedent and become a slippery slope.

Here is why the DA should potentially get involved.  This is a prime candidate for application of the broken window theory.  This is a very visible event, swift, stern reaction or not, it will be noticed and potentially impact future behavior.  Whether you believe in the theory or not it is at least a non-emotional justification for the DA getting involved.

Having said that I suspect you are right, the DA is getting involved from a publicity standpoint.

[dwaderoy2004]

I would expect a prosecuter in Cincinnati would have more pressing issues to deal with than than a bar fight or a basketball brawl.  He is inserting himself here for publicity.  Nothing more.

I am not a fan of the authorities inserting themselves into an area that police's itself.  You may disagree with the punishment, but you could make that argument anywhere.

Emotion based, some may want involvement like this.  I don't and think it would set a terrible precedent and become a slippery slope.

I don't think he should either, but due to the very visible and public nature of the case, he may be having his hand forced a little bit.

[Lennys Tap]

I don't think he should either, but due to the very visible and public nature of the case, he may be having his hand forced a little bit.

Are you kidding? Politician's don't need to have their hand forced to get involved. This is the kind of stuff they live for.

[Benny B]

It's quite a jump to take the statement that Dieters is going "to review the incident" and surmise that he's grandstanding.

However, I do not think it's out of bounds for a DA or prosecutor to get involved if the incident itself crosses the line of "activities expected in the course of competition".  Regardless of whether it happens in a back alley, a liquor store, a high school playground or in a basketball arena, the DA's responsibility is to prosecute a crime.

For anyone who wants to excuse assault and battery simply because it happened in a sporting environment, please answer this... if Tiger Woods maliciously squared his driver in the back of Phil Mickelson's head, would you recommend that the DA in such jurisdiction simply "mind his own business" because it happened during a sporting event?

[National Champs]

For anyone who wants to excuse assault and battery simply because it happened in a sporting environment, please answer this... if Tiger Woods maliciously squared his driver in the back of Phil Mickelson's head, would you recommend that the DA in such jurisdiction simply "mind his own business" because it happened during a sporting event?

I'd recommend he mind his own business because Tiger is finally back.