Joe Paterno Exit

[Blue Horseshoe]

Look, I'm not saying that this guy should be indicted. I just find it hard to process how someone can more or less say, "I knew about this months ago. I can't believe other people didn't do more during that time."

Totally.

[MUMac]

There's the heart of the misunderstanding, I think:  the "Ugh" in my initial post was related to the disgusting underlying allegations that were in the linked commentary.  That "Ugh" had nothing to do with your post or the source of the information in the link.  

I clearly was misunderstood, and I guess I'll take responsibility for that.  I wasn't intending to lecture anyone.  I thought the linked post was well done and provided a lot of good information.  I was just pointing out that it was user content.  And I certainly wasn't intending to lecture about Yahoo.  In fact, the opposite.  My point was that over the last couple of years Yahoo has been one of the better sources of investigative sports journalism out there.  When I see Yahoo links on sports journalism, I think that helps their credibility.  That's honestly the reason that I was pointing it out.  It was a user blog, and not from the respected (by me at least) Yahoo sports department.

I had absolutely no intent to be critical of your post or of the content of the link, and I do apologize if it seemed otherwise.

I apologize for my misinterpretation as well.  I thought the "ugh" was directed towards me and reacted.  So now it is my turn to apologize and say sorry for my snarkiness in return.

[MUMac]

As sports reporter and radio talkshow host you don't think he has the means to contact anyone at PSU about why Sandusky suddenly retired? Or to ask about the handling of sexual assault allegations against a former coach? And he didn't have any connections to take his story to a publication more prominent than the Beaver County Times?

Look, I'm not saying that this guy should be indicted. I just find it hard to process how someone can more or less say, "I knew about this months ago. I can't believe other people didn't do more during that time."

My god you are critical of the only one that wrote ANYTHING.  I hope your perfection never gets a critical view.

As to your constant questions, who is to say he did not try to get the questions asked?  It does, though, take someone to answer the questions.  Who do you think would have been talking?  Those that were involved in the Grand Jury testimony and sworn to secrecy?  Others in the university?  Who?

[Golden Avalanche]

This was touched on in an earlier post, but the dirtbag retired in '99, a year after the first incident allegedly came up. Why does a distinguished coach from Penn St. suddenly retire at the relatively young age of 55? Not only that, how does he not even sniff another coaching job? I don't buy that he left PSU b/c he wasn't considered to be in line to replace Paterno. Connecting the dots, I wouldn't be surprised if officials told him to "retire and we'll keep your indiscretions quiet."

This is a very logical line of thinking.

I'm not sure people truly remember just how admired Sandusky was for his defensive knowledge in the PSU heyday. Weird a guy like that would simply up and leave with no ambition in furthering his career.

[MUMac]

Now announced that McQueary will not coach on Saturday, due to death threats.  http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/11/penn-state-mike-mcqueary-threats-will-not-coach-nebraska-game/1  The question is, who is making the threats?  Those upset that McQueary did not do enough with what he witnessed?  Or those who are upset that Joe Pa was fired, yet he is coaching and feel he brought down Joe Pa?  Maybe both?  This is really warped at every turn.

[StillAWarrior]

I apologize for my misinterpretation as well.  I thought the "ugh" was directed towards me and reacted.  So now it is my turn to apologize and say sorry for my snarkiness in return.

As soon as I realized that you thought the "ugh" was directed at you, I understood that we were on completely different pages.  Sometimes it's hard to communicate clearly on message boards.

Here's something we can all agree on:  Go Marquette!

(See, in the spirit of Kumbayaism, I said "Marquette" rather than Warriors!)

[mu03eng]

Now announced that McQueary will not coach on Saturday, due to death threats.  http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/11/penn-state-mike-mcqueary-threats-will-not-coach-nebraska-game/1  The question is, who is making the threats?  Those upset that McQueary did not do enough with what he witnessed?  Or those who are upset that Joe Pa was fired, yet he is coaching and feel he brought down Joe Pa?  Maybe both?  This is really warped at every turn.

This whole threats thing is trumped up, none are credible but the BoT is using it as an excuse to not have McQueary at the game.  He should be fired, but general consensus seems to be he has Whistleblower status so can't be fired and this is their way of handling it.

[ATWizJr]

This whole threats thing is trumped up, none are credible but the BoT is using it as an excuse to not have McQueary at the game.  He should be fired, but general consensus seems to be he has Whistleblower status so can't be fired and this is their way of handling it.

McQueary is going to lose his job one way or another.

[mu03eng]

McQueary is going to lose his job one way or another.

Agreed and he should.  The national media has totally failed on this one.  They got Paterno's scalp and now they are moving on.  Joe had to leave but there is no way that should satisfy anyone.  Additionally, Joe failed, but I think its becoming clear it was not his failure allow nor was it even close to the worst failure.

Curley(AD) - Administrative leave, will be defended by PSU in perjury and obstruction charges
Schultz(de facto commisioner of campus police in 2002) - Allowed to retire, will be defended by PSU as well
Spanier - Allowed to resign
McQueary - Still employed
BoT - Still employed despite at least half of the board at a minimum being aware of the grand jury investigation in 2010.

And then there is this story

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/03/jerry_sandusky_former_penn_sta.html

By the way this was reporting that should have taken place all along
This is the kind of

[4everwarriors]

This entire fiasco will cost PSU a whole lotta sheckles. Pretty easy case for some paper pusher.

[Spotcheck Billy]

There is specualtion this will also cost PSU corporate sponsors, time will tell.

[Blue Horseshoe]

Anyone wearing white tomorrow in support of Joe Paterno will confirm that they too are ok with child rape and the wrong doings that have been taking place at Penn State.

http://www.freep.com/article/20111111/SPORTS08/111111030/Ex-Penn-State-players-organize-support-team-Saturday-s-home-finale

[Ari Gold]

Anyone wearing white tomorrow in support of Joe Paterno will confirm that they too are ok with child rape and the wrong doings that have been taking place at Penn State.

http://www.freep.com/article/20111111/SPORTS08/111111030/Ex-Penn-State-players-organize-support-team-Saturday-s-home-finale

that is in no way true and you know it. You're just buying into the sensationalism and going after the octogenarian who has spent the last 46 seasons building and rebuilding Penn State football.

[Blue Horseshoe]

that is in no way true and you know it. You're just buying into the sensationalism and going after the octogenarian who has spent the last 46 seasons building and rebuilding Penn State football.

It is very true and you are in denial. The University as a whole, not just the football program, has been tainted. How do you not understand that this is not a football issue?

[MUMac]

Anyone wearing white tomorrow in support of Joe Paterno will confirm that they too are ok with child rape and the wrong doings that have been taking place at Penn State.

http://www.freep.com/article/20111111/SPORTS08/111111030/Ex-Penn-State-players-organize-support-team-Saturday-s-home-finale

Thanks for the link.  That was a good article to read.  Those lost in all of this are the current players.  That has to be awfully hard to focus on the game with all that has gone on.

Where, though, did you hear about wearing white in support of Paterno?  I thought they wore white to most games, or was it just the night games?

[Blue Horseshoe]

NBC Philly reported that attendants tomorrow are encouraged to wear light blue in support of sexual abuse victims.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Blue-Out-Saturday-at-PSU--133496103.html

Other reports are surfacing that alumni, former players, coaches, and family have to told to wear white in support of Paterno:
http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/11/10/2553195/penn-state-coaches-players-meeting-wear-white-joe-paterno-support

This one is TMZ, so take it for what it is worth, we'll see.
http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/10/penn-state-team-wear-white-support-paterno/#.Tr2NjvT1mzk

[mu03eng]

Thanks for the link.  That was a good article to read.  Those lost in all of this are the current players.  That has to be awfully hard to focus on the game with all that has gone on.

Where, though, did you hear about wearing white in support of Paterno?  I thought they wore white to most games, or was it just the night games?

They where white to all games usually with a special emphasis on big games.

For this game a lot of Penn Staters, especially student leadership is pushing for a blue out, because blue is the color for child abuse awareness or something to that effect.  They are making tshirts for that and raising money for RAINN.  Hopefully some sort of good will come of this disgusting mess

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/11/11/142244069/blue-out-planned-at-penn-state-game-to-focus-attention-on-victims

http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2011/11/11/2554018/RAINN-sandusky-paterno-scandal-fundraiser-update

[MUMac]

NBC Philly reported that attendants tomorrow are encouraged to wear light blue in support of sexual abuse victims.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Blue-Out-Saturday-at-PSU--133496103.html

Other reports are surfacing that alumni, former players, coaches, and family have to told to wear white in support of Paterno:
http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/11/10/2553195/penn-state-coaches-players-meeting-wear-white-joe-paterno-support

This one is TMZ, so take it for what it is worth, we'll see.
http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/10/penn-state-team-wear-white-support-paterno/#.Tr2NjvT1mzk

Man, this is turing into one big mess.  I would hope that the coaches, if true, began that on their own without knowledge of the "light blue out" being pushed.  I would guess tomorrow's game gets more than the typical viewer to watch.

[mu03eng]

NBC Philly reported that attendants tomorrow are encouraged to wear light blue in support of sexual abuse victims.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Blue-Out-Saturday-at-PSU--133496103.html

Other reports are surfacing that alumni, former players, coaches, and family have to told to wear white in support of Paterno:
http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/11/10/2553195/penn-state-coaches-players-meeting-wear-white-joe-paterno-support

Not saying this isn't a possibility, but I troll the PSU blogs and twitter accounts for a lot of the players and I haven't seen a whisper of this.  Hope it doesn't happen.

This one is TMZ, so take it for what it is worth, we'll see.
http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/10/penn-state-team-wear-white-support-paterno/#.Tr2NjvT1mzk

I troll the PSU blogs and follow a lot of players on twitter, hasn't been a whisper of this, hope it doesn't happen.  I'm cautiously optimistic that you will see the best in the PSU fans tomorrow.

[nyg]

I just took Nebraska giving 3.5 points.   I forsee a meltdown. 

[foreverwarriors]

I troll the PSU blogs and follow a lot of players on twitter, hasn't been a whisper of this, hope it doesn't happen.  I'm cautiously optimistic that you will see the best in the PSU fans tomorrow.

It's been pretty well publicized that they've ditched the white out for a blue out tomorrow, including the PA governor talking about it in his press conference in State College tomorrow.

[Blue Horseshoe]

I just took Nebraska giving 3.5 points.   I forsee a meltdown. 

I think that is a pretty safe bet. In all seriousness, what happens if all hell breaks loose and Penn State has to forfeit the game? Do you take the score at the time of forfeit, or is it considered a push?

[ATWizJr]

I think that is a pretty safe bet. In all seriousness, what happens if all hell breaks loose and Penn State has to forfeit the game? Do you take the score at the time of forfeit, or is it considered a push?

Forfeit the game?   A little overly dramatic aren't we?

[foreverwarriors]

McQueary has been placed on administrative leave per the interim president. Possible he might hold whistleblower protection

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/7219659/penn-state-assistant-coach-whistleblower-protection-reporting-sandusky-alleged-incident


Also for those that feel that PSU students are the scum of the earth for rioting/supporting Paterno, I encourage you to read this:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16078483/the-real-penn-state-in-room-206-plenty-of-heart-to-be-found

[Blue Horseshoe]

Forfeit the game?   A little overly dramatic aren't we?

"All hell breaks loose" aka violent rioting. Nebraska has legitimite reason for concern.

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/38242/nebraska-has-safety-concerns-at-penn-state

Extra security has been added, but all bets are off for expectations of good behavior.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7215871/nebraska-cornhuskers-tom-osborne-asks-fans-not-wear-read-game-vs-penn-state-nittany-lions