collapse

Resources

2024-2025 SOTG Tally


2024-25 Season SoG Tally
Jones, K.10
Mitchell6
Joplin4
Ross2
Gold1

'23-24 '22-23
'21-22 * '20-21 * '19-20
'18-19 * '17-18 * '16-17
'15-16 * '14-15 * '13-14
'12-13 * '11-12 * '10-11

Big East Standings

Recent Posts

MU @ TBT? by WarriorFan
[Today at 03:49:19 AM]


Recruiting as of 7/15/25 by MuMark
[July 19, 2025, 11:37:12 PM]


NM by tower912
[July 19, 2025, 06:37:07 PM]


Open practice by jfp61
[July 19, 2025, 10:03:37 AM]


TBT by #UnleashSean
[July 18, 2025, 07:01:47 PM]


Pearson to MU by Jay Bee
[July 18, 2025, 05:17:54 PM]


Marquette NBA Thread by JakeBarnes
[July 17, 2025, 10:06:35 PM]

Please Register - It's FREE!

The absolute only thing required for this FREE registration is a valid e-mail address. We keep all your information confidential and will NEVER give or sell it to anyone else.
Login to get rid of this box (and ads) , or signup NOW!

Next up: A long offseason

Marquette
66
Marquette
Scrimmage
Date/Time: Oct 4, 2025
TV: NA
Schedule for 2024-25
New Mexico
75

brewcity77

#25
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 27, 2011, 11:49:29 AMLike I said, read the CBA and then tell me what the definition of graduating is.

The stuff you just spouted does not address what is in the CBA.  Be careful.

By the way, would you please tell me why Drummond was ever even considering going to prep school for an additional year?  I realize you don't know the answer, but really - humor me with some thoughts as to why someone would do such a thing - Drummond or anyone else.

Regarding the first two sentences...post what you have or please stop wasting time. If you have some revelation from the CBA, please post it. From what I found on the NBA.com website, I addressed exactly what is in the CBA: "The age limit for entering the draft is 19 years of age. U.S. players must also be at least one year removed from high school. A player will meet the 19 year old requirement as long as he turns 19 during the calendar year of the draft." The overwhelming majority says Drummond would be eligible, you acknowledge that. The burden of proof lies on you. Show/link/post what you have or give up the cryptic "I have knowledge that no one else has" crap.

Second, I'll be happy to as soon as you post up your explanations. Since you fail to address pretty much anything I bring up and try to obfuscate the argument, I have no desire to offer further quid without any pro quo.

Golden Avalanche

Man, it'd be something if MU was ever in this position.

Jay Bee

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 27, 2011, 02:29:27 PM
From what I found on the NBA.com website, I addressed exactly what is in the CBA: "The age limit for entering the draft is 19 years of age. U.S. players must also be at least one year removed from high school. A player will meet the 19 year old requirement as long as he turns 19 during the calendar year of the draft." The overwhelming majority says Drummond would be eligible, you acknowledge that. The burden of proof lies on you. Show/link/post what you have or give up the cryptic "I have knowledge that no one else has" crap.

Second, I'll be happy to as soon as you post up your explanations. Since you fail to address pretty much anything I bring up and try to obfuscate the argument, I have no desire to offer further quid without any pro quo.

No, the burden of proof doesn't lie on me.  You're wrong along with most others. 

I've asked you to do a couple of things:
1) Read the CBA and then tell me what the definition of 'graduating' is per the CBA.  You haven't done that. 
Instead, you quote, "U.S. players must also be at least one year removed from high school"... let me ask you something else -- if Drummond went to high school again this year (i.e., 'prep school'), would he be one year removed from high school after he finishes up... high school?

2) Explain what reasons someone, Drummond or someone in whatever you dream up to be 'his position', would have for even considering going to another year of prep school? 

You see, I am not the one with knowledge that no one else has - quite the opposite - I am the one who has not made things up.   

The portal is NOT closed.

brewcity77

Quote from: Jay Bee on August 27, 2011, 05:42:44 PM
No, the burden of proof doesn't lie on me.  You're wrong along with most others. 

I've asked you to do a couple of things:
1) Read the CBA and then tell me what the definition of 'graduating' is per the CBA.  You haven't done that. 
Instead, you quote, "U.S. players must also be at least one year removed from high school"... let me ask you something else -- if Drummond went to high school again this year (i.e., 'prep school'), would he be one year removed from high school after he finishes up... high school?

2) Explain what reasons someone, Drummond or someone in whatever you dream up to be 'his position', would have for even considering going to another year of prep school? 

You see, I am not the one with knowledge that no one else has - quite the opposite - I am the one who has not made things up.

I love how everyone else is wrong and you seem to be the only person on earth who thinks you are right. *Sigh*

1) I went to the NBA website and pasted in what I found regarding the qualifications for being drafted. If you have something more detailed, please share it. I don't know where to find what it is you seem to want me to read. Regarding the second portion of the first point, you are ignoring the obvious line that I brought up earlier. Drummond graduated high school. He originally planned to enroll in prep school. For some people, they need to use prep school to complete unfulfilled high school requirements. For Drummond, every indication is that that is not the case and that he was going to prep school as a choice, not a necessity.

2) Gladly, as soon as you provide this information I've asked for numerous times. Post the part of the CBA that everyone else is misinterpreting, and that the NBA didn't seem to include in the portion of their website that explains the CBA (and I quoted).

brewcity77

Looks like UConn is going to have to force a player to give up a scholarship. Because they recruited Drummond, he can't join UConn as a walk-on, so they are trying to get redshirt freshman Michael Bradley to apply for financial aid and become a non-scholarship player.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/34697/player-has-to-give-up-scholly-for-drummond

If that doesn't work, maybe Buzz should call and tell Drummond that we have a scholarship open for 2011 he can have ;D

muhs03

Strange. I went to UConn's insider board on Scout using my friend's credentials and all of their posters moved to a new site. I then went to Syracuse's insider board using another friend's credentials and they moved off of Scout as well. What I find strange is that they left because they felt Scout wasnt writing enough premium content for their programs....despite the fact that both insider sites were 100X better than MU's. Anyways, I was hoping to get some info on their scholly situation but it looks like I cant right now.

Jay Bee

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 27, 2011, 07:19:45 PM
Drummond graduated high school. He originally planned to enroll in prep school. For some people, they need to use prep school to complete unfulfilled high school requirements. For Drummond, every indication is that that is not the case and that he was going to prep school as a choice, not a necessity.

You apparently have a misunderstanding of what defines a prep school.  Tell me, since you were so careful to bold them -- what is the difference between a high school and a prep school?  As for my initial request of you, you can find the entire CBA at NBPA.com.  On the front page, there is a link near the upper right.  But, I'd prefer you just _really_ answer my follow-up question of, "if Drummond went to high school again this year (i.e., 'prep school'), would he be one year removed from high school after he finishes up... high school?" after you learn about the 'difference' between a prep school and a high school.

Quote from: brewcity772) Gladly, as soon as you provide this information I've asked for numerous times. Post the part of the CBA that everyone else is misinterpreting, and that the NBA didn't seem to include in the portion of their website that explains the CBA (and I quoted).

You now have easy directions to the CBA... I'll even direct you to Article X.  I'm not sure that you reading it will result in you comprehending it.  Again, I'll ask: what reasons would someone, i.e., Drummond, have for considering going to another year of prep school?  Do any of the 'professionals' that you've read or talked to explain this?
The portal is NOT closed.

brewcity77

Quote from: Jay Bee on August 27, 2011, 08:07:01 PM
You apparently have a misunderstanding of what defines a prep school.  Tell me, since you were so careful to bold them -- what is the difference between a high school and a prep school?  As for my initial request of you, you can find the entire CBA at NBPA.com.  On the front page, there is a link near the upper right.  But, I'd prefer you just _really_ answer my follow-up question of, "if Drummond went to high school again this year (i.e., 'prep school'), would he be one year removed from high school after he finishes up... high school?" after you learn about the 'difference' between a prep school and a high school.

You now have easy directions to the CBA... I'll even direct you to Article X.  I'm not sure that you reading it will result in you comprehending it.  Again, I'll ask: what reasons would someone, i.e., Drummond, have for considering going to another year of prep school?  Do any of the 'professionals' that you've read or talked to explain this?

Thank you...my lord, it seems it'd be easier to pull teeth from a Tyrannosaurus than get a straight answer from you.

Article X, Section I (B)(i) he clearly meets by turning 19 in August of the year of the draft. Section I (B)(ii)(F) he would meet by applying to be drafted 60 days before the draft. So I see no reason he couldn't simply apply and be granted entry without applying to a four-year university.

In addition, Section I (B)(i) states that he doesn't have to graduate from high school. Because Drummond's class was slated to graduate in June of 2011, he would be eligible to be drafted in 2012 provided he meets any one of the criteria in Section I (B)(ii). By applying via I (B)(ii)(F) he would meet that even without having graduated.

I didn't see any different definition of prep schools in that document, but as I understand a prep school is designed to prepare a student for college. It can also be used to fulfill requirements, but that isn't necessarily the case. If you have some other definition you found somewhere that contradicts that, please provide it.

And I've said multiple times why Drummond would go to prep school. He wanted the opportunity to play with Dunn again. He could only do that at a prep school because he exhausted his four-year eligibility. He couldn't transfer to another four-year (like New London) because of his graduation. So his options were prep school, college, or Europe.

I have a feeling you'll again try to duck and dodge, answering every question with another question, but what is the magic reason Drummond considered going to W&M? I've stated why I thought he was going there multiple times, to play with Dunn, and that Dunn's change of heart led to his own change of heart -- I don't think it's coincidence that Drummond changed his mind only days after Dunn announced his new plan.

So what is it? What is the reason? What is the unspecified difference between high school and prep school? Or do I need to pull out the Tyrannosaurus tooth extractor again?

Jay Bee

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 27, 2011, 08:46:04 PM
In addition, Section I (B)(i) states that he doesn't have to graduate from high school. Because Drummond's class was slated to graduate in June of 2011, he would be eligible to be drafted in 2012 provided he meets any one of the criteria in Section I (B)(ii). By applying via I (B)(ii)(F) he would meet that even without having graduated.

Wow.. you should have told John Wall and a number of other kids this!  You are now claiming they were all eligible for the NBA draft after their fifth year of high school.  Take a step back and think.  The class concept becomes relevant when someone does not graduate from high school.  Think about the spirit and reasoning behind this requirement set by the NBA.  And, again... consider what 'graduating' means in the CBA.

Quote from: brewcity77as I understand a prep school is designed to prepare a student for college. It can also be used to fulfill requirements, but that isn't necessarily the case. If you have some other definition you found somewhere that contradicts that, please provide it.

I didn't ask what a prep school is designed to do.  I asked you to tell me what the difference is between a prep school and a high school.  Are high schools not designed to prepare a student for college?  Try again my friend.  You haven't told me the difference... and I know why you haven't.


The portal is NOT closed.

brewcity77

Quote from: Jay Bee on August 27, 2011, 09:14:38 PM
Wow.. you should have told John Wall and a number of other kids this!  You are now claiming they were all eligible for the NBA draft after their fifth year of high school.  Take a step back and think.  The class concept becomes relevant when someone does not graduate from high school.  Think about the spirit and reasoning behind this requirement set by the NBA.  And, again... consider what 'graduating' means in the CBA.

I didn't ask what a prep school is designed to do.  I asked you to tell me what the difference is between a prep school and a high school.  Are high schools not designed to prepare a student for college?  Try again my friend.  You haven't told me the difference... and I know why you haven't.

Apparently the legalese goes over my head. If I haven't given answers, it's because I have no clue what they are. I read the CBA, I interpreted it to the best of my non-law school ability, and apparently you have all the answers. Either that or you're full of it. Regardless, I'm sick of it. Put up or shut up.

GGGG

brew....If a player actually graduated from high school, how can he still be enrolled in that high school? Furthermore, how could the state high school association still let him play for that school?  The scenario makes no sense whatsoever.  Either he graduated and moved on...or he didn't.

My guess is that Drummond's eligibility was in doubt until he cleaned up some school work in August.

brewcity77

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 28, 2011, 07:56:50 AMbrew....If a player actually graduated from high school, how can he still be enrolled in that high school? Furthermore, how could the state high school association still let him play for that school?  The scenario makes no sense whatsoever.  Either he graduated and moved on...or he didn't.

My guess is that Drummond's eligibility was in doubt until he cleaned up some school work in August.

Drummond graduated from St Thomas More High School and was enrolling at Wilbraham & Monson Prep School.

The way I understand prep schools is that while they often are used to fulfill requirements, they can also be used simply to better prepare for college.

muhs03

Maybe the two of you can PM each other because Im not sure any gives a F*.

Tugg Speedman

From Andy Katz's story linked above ...

Drummond will be, and has to be, on scholarship. He cannot be a UConn walk-on since he was recruited. In order for that to happen, the school determined that Bradley could qualify for financial aid and give up his scholarship for Drummond.

If a player can qualify for financial aid (or if he can pay his own way), then he can go from scholarship to non-scholarship with an exception and not count against your roster. But the player, in this case Bradley, has to agree to the proposal to take on financial aid and likely a loan. A source said the discussion with Bradley and his family was well underway and everything will almost certainly get worked out, but that the school was caught a bit off-guard by Drummond's surprise, preemptive tweet.

....

The Huskies can't afford any more transfers and certainly are in no position to run a player off for Drummond. The program is in a tenuous position with its APR and can't run afoul of the new restrictions put in place. UConn hasn't been hurt by early-entry defections that left while eligible, but rather seniors that didn't finish strong before they left, along with multiple transfers.


---

It would be nice to see Bradley say no and have Uconn have to pay a price for being a dirty program.

GGGG

Quote from: muhs03 on August 28, 2011, 08:43:28 AM
Maybe the two of you can PM each other because Im not sure any gives a F*.


What is the point of posts like these?  I have read the back and forth and have enjoyed it.  Ignored the damn thread if you don't "give a F*."

Childish.

Hoopaloop

Quote from: AnotherMU84 on August 27, 2011, 06:50:56 AM
So, who does Calhoun kick off the team to make room for him.

http://espn.go.com/boston/ncb/story/_/id/6900015/andre-drummond-commits-uconn-huskies

From the link ...


It's not clear where his scholarship will come from. Connecticut has none available after losing three due to NCAA rules violations and a poor academic performance rating.


Someone will get Creaned / Buzzcut
"Since you asked, since you pretend to know why I'm not posting here anymore, let me make this as clear as I can for you Ners.  You are the reason I'm not posting here anymore."   BMA725  http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=28095.msg324636#msg324636

tower912

#41
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.


nyg


Previous topic - Next topic