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brewcity77

Well, for everyone who thought Drummond wasn't challenging himself enough by going to prep school, he's now going to UConn and joining them this year. I'd bet this is a domino effect. Kris Dunn's commitment to Providence kept him closer to home (he decided to return to New London instead of going to prep school with Drummond). As a result, since Dunn wasn't going to be at Wilbraham and Monson, Drummond also left and went straight to college.

No doubts about his 2012 draft eligibility now...

http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1099627.html

MerrittsMustache

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 26, 2011, 08:41:39 PM
Well, for everyone who thought Drummond wasn't challenging himself enough by going to prep school, he's now going to UConn and joining them this year. I'd bet this is a domino effect. Kris Dunn's commitment to Providence kept him closer to home (he decided to return to New London instead of going to prep school with Drummond). As a result, since Dunn wasn't going to be at Wilbraham and Monson, Drummond also left and went straight to college.

No doubts about his 2012 draft eligibility now...

http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1099627.html

Does the timing seem odd to anyone else? Don't classes start within a week or so? How does the application process, etc work in a case like this? Could any recent HS grad apply to UConn a week before classes start and get accepted? Not trying to imply any wrongdoings, just curious.


GGGG

Quote from: MerrittsMustache on August 26, 2011, 08:48:51 PM
Does the timing seem odd to anyone else? Don't classes start within a week or so? How does the application process, etc work in a case like this? Could any recent HS grad apply to UConn a week before classes start and get accepted?

Of course not...but he isn't just "any recent HS grad."

MUMac

Quote from: MerrittsMustache on August 26, 2011, 08:48:51 PM
Does the timing seem odd to anyone else? Don't classes start within a week or so? How does the application process, etc work in a case like this? Could any recent HS grad apply to UConn a week before classes start and get accepted? Not trying to imply any wrongdoings, just curious.

Don't know if he applied earlier or not, but there are ways to fast track it.  They, the basketball offices, know the ways to get them through.

Can a normal student fast track?  I don't know that answer.  I know you are not implying anything about the circumstances, but I do not see it as untoward.

The question to me is the Clearinghouse.  How quickly can he get through that process?

mileskishnish72

Fast track is one thing, where the schollie is coming from is another. I thought they got whacked for poor academic performance. Does anyone on the board know their status on scholarships and (if I recall correctly) how they are going to get around this one?

brewcity77

Quote from: mileskishnish72 on August 26, 2011, 09:14:52 PMFast track is one thing, where the schollie is coming from is another. I thought they got whacked for poor academic performance. Does anyone on the board know their status on scholarships and (if I recall correctly) how they are going to get around this one?

Not sure, but at least for Drummond, academics shouldn't be a problem. Obviously he already graduated high school (to be able to make the jump) and I believe he got done early as well. He was only going to prep school to play one more year with Dunn, not because he had any academic issues or needed to improve his stock (hard to improve from arguably the top prospect in the nation).

MUMac

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 26, 2011, 09:18:54 PM
Not sure, but at least for Drummond, academics shouldn't be a problem. Obviously he already graduated high school (to be able to make the jump) and I believe he got done early as well. He was only going to prep school to play one more year with Dunn, not because he had any academic issues or needed to improve his stock (hard to improve from arguably the top prospect in the nation).

Brew, great additions.  I know you have followed Drummond for awhile.  I did not follow him as closely and forgot that he already graduated and grades are not an issue.  That makes his getting into UConn and through the clearing house much easier.

This is a heck of a pick up for Calhoun at such a late date.

Jay Bee

No surprise at all here.  The masses just got this one wrong.  Happens more often than most think.

Quote from: Jay Bee on July 31, 2011, 09:30:23 AM
I've done the research and disagree with the various commentary that has been out there (from Zagoria and many, many others).  It requires an interpretation of the current CBA language and I believe the conclusion that would be made by the NBA is that if Drummond went to another year of prep school school, his circumstance would not be in agreement with the spirit of 'graduation' from high school in 2011 (although his high school will tell you he recently 'graduated'). 

Tell me, what would be the reason he would go back for another year of high school if he has already graduated?  He thinks the CBA will change for kids entering college in 2011?  No way.

The portal is NOT closed.

brewcity77

Quote from: MUMac on August 26, 2011, 09:48:50 PMBrew, great additions.  I know you have followed Drummond for awhile.  I did not follow him as closely and forgot that he already graduated and grades are not an issue.  That makes his getting into UConn and through the clearing house much easier.

This is a heck of a pick up for Calhoun at such a late date.

Thanks. While much of my thoughts are speculation (like the Dunn to PC leading Drummond to UConn theory) I don't think he'll have any Clearinghouse issues. Most of those seem to come from the prep school kids as the NCAA determines the validity of the coursework offered, at least from what I can recall.

And if anyone will be fast-tracked, it's a kid like Drummond. Seems to be a good kid, good grades, and the kind of player the NCAA wants to be playing. However, UConn will probably have to trim someone off the roster as they don't have an available schollie for Drummond. Somehow, I don't see that becoming a complication (at least not for Drummond).

MUMac

My comment regarding the clearing house was as much timing as it was concerns with grades, etc.  If his grades and ACT are clean, it is a simple function.  If there were any questions, he falls behind the fall sports and others in the pipeline.

For most recruits, the clearinghouse is instanstaneous - done on line.  The transcripts are received and entered and the ACT has been sent.  But, again, at this late date, has any of this been done?

In the long run, likely no big deal.  But, he would have to pay his own way until he is cleared.  That is my question.

texaswarrior74

Think this may be his way of making sure he doesn't get caught up in the 3 year rule that may be coming.

Jay Bee

Quote from: texaswarrior74 on August 26, 2011, 10:24:26 PM
Think this may be his way of making sure he doesn't get caught up in the 3 year rule that may be coming.

Nah, wouldn't get implemented that quickly.
The portal is NOT closed.

brewcity77

Quote from: Jay Bee on August 26, 2011, 09:51:43 PM
No surprise at all here.  The masses just got this one wrong.  Happens more often than most think.

Disagree. He graduated from high school already. What he does in the next year, whether playing prep, playing in Europe, playing in college, or just sitting on his backside, is irrelevant. His graduation from HS made him eligible for 2012. I've seen nothing to disprove that, and whether he played for W&M or UConn or Bennetton Treviso or the local YMCA he'd be eligible to be drafted in 2012.

Tugg Speedman

So, who does Calhoun kick off the team to make room for him.

http://espn.go.com/boston/ncb/story/_/id/6900015/andre-drummond-commits-uconn-huskies

From the link ...


It's not clear where his scholarship will come from. Connecticut has none available after losing three due to NCAA rules violations and a poor academic performance rating.



muhs03

Quote from: AnotherMU84 on August 27, 2011, 06:50:56 AM
So, who does Calhoun kick off the team to make room for him.

http://espn.go.com/boston/ncb/story/_/id/6900015/andre-drummond-commits-uconn-huskies

From the link ...


It's not clear where his scholarship will come from. Connecticut has none available after losing three due to NCAA rules violations and a poor academic performance rating.


I read he might be paying his own way (in-state tuition for one year). I enjoy nothing more than programs crapping on the APR committee and their rules so I hope this is the case.



Jay Bee

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 27, 2011, 04:17:02 AM
Disagree. He graduated from high school already. What he does in the next year, whether playing prep, playing in Europe, playing in college, or just sitting on his backside, is irrelevant. His graduation from HS made him eligible for 2012. I've seen nothing to disprove that, and whether he played for W&M or UConn or Bennetton Treviso or the local YMCA he'd be eligible to be drafted in 2012.

I fully disagree with you (and the masses).  You've seen nothing to disprove it?  Talk to NBA league officials.  You have seen nothing to PROVE it.  Just because a bunch of writers opine the same way doesn't make it factual. 
The portal is NOT closed.

brewcity77

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Quote from: Jay Bee on August 27, 2011, 09:21:05 AMI fully disagree with you (and the masses).  You've seen nothing to disprove it?  Talk to NBA league officials.  You have seen nothing to PROVE it.  Just because a bunch of writers opine the same way doesn't make it factual.

Your premise lies on the argument that Drummond attending Wilbraham and Monson Academy would make him ineligible for the Draft. That makes no sense. He graduated from high school, will be the appropriate age, and is a year removed from graduating. So if he goes to UConn or plays in Europe or sits on his ass he's eligible, but if he plays for a prep school he's ineligible? That makes no sense, and if he were prevented from entering the draft, he could easily sue for the right to enter and I can't foresee any way he'd lose.

I'll admit I'm not a lawyer, but I can't see any way a court would see playing for a prep school as a reason to disqualify him, which is what your entire argument is based on. If the NBA tried to keep him out, they'd get killed in court. If someone with more legal expertise can say why going to prep school would disqualify him, fine, but that just doesn't make the remotest bit of sense.

EDIT: Further, him going to UConn only serves to prove my point. Your argument was based on him "needing" another year of high school. However, he already graduated in good academic standing. He didn't "need" another year of high school, he was choosing a year of prep school. If UConn can freely admit him, which they can because of his academic standing, that means that he didn't have to go to W&M and that it was a choice, not a need.

I would say that him being allowed to enroll at UConn absolutely PROVES it. Just because you claim otherwise doesn't make it factual.

EDIT 2: I could see your argument if Drummond needed prep school. Most guys that go to prep school go there because they don't have the grades to be admitted and would rather try to meet their requirements in one year than lose two years of eligibility at a JUCO. Drummond, however, wasn't going for that reason. He was actually using prep school in the spirit it should be used...to prepare you for college. He completed high school, was qualified for college, but chose to take a year to prepare. I'm not saying any fifth-year prep school player could go to the NBA, only that someone in Drummond's position could.

Jay Bee

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Quote from: brewcity77 on August 27, 2011, 09:50:35 AM
I'll admit I'm not a lawyer, but I can't see any way a court would see playing for a prep school as a reason to disqualify him, which is what your entire argument is based on.

...If UConn can freely admit him, which they can because of his academic standing, that means that he didn't have to go to W&M and that it was a choice, not a need...

EDIT: Further, him going to UConn only serves to prove my point.
I would say that him being allowed to enroll at UConn absolutely PROVES it.

I continue to disagree.  He isn't yet eligible at UCONN; nonetheless, if he becomes eligible does that really prove it to you?  Some might say the opposite - that the fact he just recently said he was going to attend prep school and suddenly his decision completely changes at a ridiculous time on the calendar - indicates that what you thought is wrong.  Or maybe you blame Dunn (smh).

PS - UCONN might want to check Kemba Walker before they lose even more scholarships.  (@KembaWalker @AndreDrummond03 congrats bro!)

Quote from: brewcity77I'm not saying any fifth-year prep school player could go to the NBA, only that someone in Drummond's position could.

Oh, because some tiny high school said he had 'graduated'?  That's what makes him different from other fifth-year prep school players?  Got it.  smh.
The portal is NOT closed.

brewcity77

Quote from: Jay Bee on August 27, 2011, 10:17:42 AMI continue to disagree.  He isn't yet eligible at UCONN; nonetheless, if he becomes eligible does that really prove it to you?  Some might say the opposite - that the fact he just recently said he was going to attend prep school and suddenly his decision completely changes at a ridiculous time on the calendar - indicates that what you thought is wrong.  Or maybe you blame Dunn (smh).

I'm not blaming Dunn, I'm saying that him going to UConn could very well be a domino effect. I used to get together with friends for regular weekly outings at a bar playing pool. When the friends moved across the country, I found less reason to go to that bar, now I haven't been there in years. The connection for me was the people. Is it really that preposterous that Drummond was going to W&M because he had a friend there, and that his interest lessened because said friend wouldn't be there? Is it really completely implausible that Drummond have personal relationships with other humans like the rest of us?

Come on, a ridiculous time on the calendar? Really? Right after his reported best friend decided not to go to W&M? On the contrary, that seems like a perfectly logical time to reassess his decision to attend W&M.

Quote from: Jay Bee on August 27, 2011, 10:17:42 AMPS - UCONN might want to check Kemba Walker before they lose even more scholarships.  (@KembaWalker @AndreDrummond03 congrats bro!)

Couldn't agree with that more...I'd have to think that's a recruiting violation. Which makes me wonder (off-topic), wouldn't it be a recruiting violation to have Wade on campus meeting recruits during a visit? I know stuff like that happens across the country, but why would it be acceptable on campus and not on Twitter? Just wondering...either way, if I can't petition recruits on Twitter to go to MU, why should Walker be able to petition for UConn?

Quote from: Jay Bee on August 27, 2011, 10:17:42 AMOh, because some tiny high school said he had 'graduated'?  That's what makes him different from other fifth-year prep school players?  Got it.  smh.

St. Thomas More hasn't been banned by the NCAA. I do believe they were investigated as a diploma mill but never found to be one. Drummond reportedly met all Clearinghouse criteria as of June when he graduated.

All I'm saying is that most of the evidence and experts are saying Drummond would have qualified. Until he is barred from attending UConn in 2011 because he fails to meet the Clearinghouse criteria I don't think your argument has a leg to stand on.

Here's the difference I see in our arguments. I am bringing some semblance of evidence to the table. The writings of the people professionally covering this, the reports of the validity of his transcripts from June, and the basis of the NBA rule that requires a player to be a year beyond HS graduation.

On the other hand, you bring...erm...your opinion that he won't be allowed in. I've seen absolutely zero, bupkiss, zilch, nada from you to support your argument. Just "I read something and disagree" but not providing what you've read. I'm happy to look at both sides, but in weeks of discussion over this, you have yet to present your side other than to say you disagree with me. If you like disagreeing just for the sake of it, that's fine, but at least admit it, or show some semblance of evidence that it isn't the case. I'm not trying to be an ass, I'm not trying to be a jerk, I just don't see where your argument is coming from.

Jay Bee

You are the one who is showing zero evidence.  Show me one time in history where this has happened.  Just once. 

Go read the CBA and try to find the definition of 'graduation'.  Then consider the spirit of the rule.  Then, reconsider your thoughts on this. 

The portal is NOT closed.

denverMU

If Drummond is getting a scholarship, UCONN has a lot of cutting to do.  Just looked at their roster and they currently have 12 players listed.  According to ESPN, they have lost 3 scholarships, that leaves 10 available.  So they will have to cut 3 players to give Drummond a scholarship.  Talk about oversigning, Buzz has never oversigned by 3!

brewcity77

Quote from: Jay Bee on August 27, 2011, 11:19:21 AMYou are the one who is showing zero evidence.  Show me one time in history where this has happened.  Just once. 

Go read the CBA and try to find the definition of 'graduation'.  Then consider the spirit of the rule.  Then, reconsider your thoughts on this.

Okay, first a player must be 19 years old in the year of the draft. Drummond meets that for 2012. Second, the player must be one year removed from his graduating class. Drummond meets that for 2012.

Drummond meets the first qualification because he will turn 19 on August 10, 2012. He meets the second qualification because he graduated in June 2011 and the draft will be held in June 2012.

So now, as a domestic player, he has options. Go to college for a year, go play in Europe for a year, or do anything else for a year and he will be eligible.

If you have some other interpretation, share it. Just because it hasn't happened before doesn't mean it's wrong. There's a first time for everything, look at Brandon Jennings. How is Drummond any different? 19 in the year of the draft, one year removed from his graduating class. Jennings chose Europe, Drummond was going to choose prep school and is now choosing college.

brewcity77

Quote from: denverMU on August 27, 2011, 11:34:52 AMIf Drummond is getting a scholarship, UCONN has a lot of cutting to do.  Just looked at their roster and they currently have 12 players listed.  According to ESPN, they have lost 3 scholarships, that leaves 10 available.  So they will have to cut 3 players to give Drummond a scholarship.  Talk about oversigning, Buzz has never oversigned by 3!

I believe they currently have two walk-ons. Their 10th scholarship for 2011 went to DeAndre Daniels. The current talk is that Drummond may be walking on for one season, further fueling the one-and-done plan.

Jay Bee

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 27, 2011, 11:40:00 AM
If you have some other interpretation, share it.

Like I said, read the CBA and then tell me what the definition of graduating is.

The stuff you just spouted does not address what is in the CBA.  Be careful.

By the way, would you please tell me why Drummond was ever even considering going to prep school for an additional year?  I realize you don't know the answer, but really - humor me with some thoughts as to why someone would do such a thing - Drummond or anyone else. 
The portal is NOT closed.

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If Doogie Howser graduated high school at the age of nine, would he be eligible at that point for the NBA? Or would he have to wait until his acutal graduating class was ready?

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