Chicago Tribune painting unflattering picture of MU...

[JMcSteal]

WE ARE MARQUETTE

[PaintTouches]

The story was definitely written to make MU look as bad as possible but that doesn't take away from the fact that the situation(s) was handled terribly by DPS and MU. Don't fool yourselves, its not just a basketball or Athletic Department thing. I heard from multiple girls while atudying abroad that the system for reporting sexual abuse/assault was very poor, with DPS being slow to respond and often taking no action at all.

I don't want to make this into a whole Chicos vs Ners debate where we take shots at Buzz and Crean and whoever else might pop up. This goes beyond basketball. I just hope Marquette learns from this recurring mistake and makes the campus a safer place.

[77ncaachamps]

Just wanted to make it clear that Buzz was HC for 3 of those 10 years....

[CrazyEcho]

Absolutely not.  Nor do I ever choose to find people guilty until proven innocent, nor do I continue to believe in one's guilt when never charged with a crime.  We've heard the woman's side now...but nothing from the player, nor will we ever.  We know this was a consensual sexual relationship in the past, and was that evening..until a certain point (apparently)...that is far from rape in my view..

Holy crap this is a morally wrong position.

Here's a hypo for you:

A woman with whom I have had sex in the past comes over to my apartment to have sex.  We start making out (or even doing more than that) and then she tells me "NO, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU ANY MORE."  I then forcibly have sex with her against her will and explicit instructions.

You're really saying that's far from rape or not even rape?  (I understand there are credibility issues).

[PGsHeroes32]

Is there any sort of reasonable assumption to who the athlete is??

[warthog-driver]

Is there any sort of reasonable assumption to who the athlete is??

What was Tom Crean's role in all this? This has the rich, robust aroma of coconut-infused Coppertone all over it. Damn that man. Damn him I say!

[mileskishnish72]

There are nuances regarding these cases, as there almost always are. The bottom line seems to be that the university did not comply with reporting requirements that are dictated by law. The implications are obvious. This does not make MU look good.

[reinko]

In my years of working with Quade, (98-2003), I have a very very hard time believing she said those things.  Again, my experiences only.

[Skatastrophy]

I think its unfair to judge the player based on one side of the story.

+1, this whole thing is he-said she-said.  Getting up in arms for either party gives you a 50% chance of being on the wrong side of the issue. 

Buzz just needs to use it as a teaching lesson so that athletes don't put themselves into these types of situations.  All guys/girls at the university should have that lesson.  "Don't stick your dick in crazy." & "Don't let crazy stick his dick in you."

[StillAWarrior]

I think its unfair to judge the player based on one side of the story.

I don't disagree.  But I do recall that you were one who really crucified Notre Dame when they were slow in responding to a much less severe allegation (although one that led to admittedly tragic results).  And as I recall, we had only heard one side of that story, too.

Marquette handled this badly.  And I'll take a position that is very similar to that I took in the ND case:  while I know it was handled badly, I don't know if it was because the accused was an athlete.

[GGGG]

OK...let's see here...  People on this board have blamed:

**The Chicago Tribune
**The victim (with armchair psychologists claiming that she must be mentally ill)
**The head coaches of Loyola and DePaul
**Chicos for bashing MU basketball
**MPD because they "had to have known" what was going on

And my absolute favorite is Ners acting like a doctor and discussing his theories of vaginal scarring.   

However, I am going to reiterate what only a couple of you have seemed to catch:  MARQUETTE VIOLATED STATE LAW, AND HAS DONE SO REPEATEDLY!!  Also, it is interesting that no one is blaming the alledged perpetrator.  (I don't think anyone should, but hell, if we can blame the victim and Oliver Purnell, we might as well right???)

Seriously people, take off your blue and gold goggles and use that MU education of yours to at least view this with some objectivity.

[NersEllenson]

Holy crap this is a morally wrong position.

Here's a hypo for you:

A woman with whom I have had sex in the past comes over to my apartment to have sex.  We start making out (or even doing more than that) and then she tells me "NO, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU ANY MORE."  I then forcibly have sex with her against her will and explicit instructions.

You're really saying that's far from rape or not even rape?  (I understand there are credibility issues).

Certainly understand your point...but I can tell you from experience I've dated a couple of crazy b$tches in my day...and in my view...this is just as much on the girl as it is the player.  "It started as consensual??"  Had been consensual in the past?  But mid-thrust all of a sudden the girl starts trying to leverage her having sex with the dude to get information out of him as to why he didn't call her back??  Come on..

[StillAWarrior]

OK...let's see here...  People on this board have blamed:

**The Chicago Tribune
**The victim (with armchair psychologists claiming that she must be mentally ill)
**The head coaches of Loyola and DePaul
**Chicos for bashing MU basketball
**MPD because they "had to have known" what was going on

And my absolute favorite is Ners acting like a doctor and discussing his theories of vaginal scarring.   

However, I am going to reiterate what only a couple of you have seemed to catch:  MARQUETTE VIOLATED STATE LAW, AND HAS DONE SO REPEATEDLY!!  Also, it is interesting that no one is blaming the alledged perpetrator.  (I don't think anyone should, but hell, if we can blame the victim and Oliver Purnell, we might as well right???)

Seriously people, take off your blue and gold goggles and use that MU education of yours to at least view this with some objectivity.

Agreed.  Completely.

These allegations really bother me; I hope we've seen the last of them.  Even if there have been no assault charges, I just really hope that we don't hear any more of this.  And I hope that MU corrects any reporting procedures that are not lawful (for all cases...not just basketball).

[MUMac]

The comments of many on this thread are truly embarrassing.  I thought we had adults who were educated that posted here, but I guess not.

Did MU handle this poorly?  He!! yes, they admitted so and should be admonished for it.  To learn this has been their policy for 10 years is frightenning.  

As for the girl's story, get a grip people.  We have one side of the story.  I will go out on a limb here and speculate that ABSOLUTELY NO ONE that has commented in this thread knows the true facts.  Yet, so many have leapt to conclussions.

It is unwise, and frankly dangerous, to blame either the girl or athlete.  Conjecture is dangerous and that is all I have read here.

After hearing both sides, the DA decided not to press charges.  I suspect the other side of the story may have played in that decision.  Now, does that mean nothing happenned?  No.  But to lay guilt at the feet of the athlete, as many have, or the girl, as others have, is irresponsible.  Especially on a one sided story.

[NCMUFan]

Its all about power.  The athlete was stepping into a potential hornets nest and didn't see it. 

[GGGG]

Did MU handle this poorly?  He!! yes, they admitted so and should be admonished for it.  To learn this has been their policy for 10 years is frightenning.  

As for the girl's story, get a grip people.  We have one side of the story.  I will go out on a limb here and speculate that ABSOLUTELY NO ONE that has commented in this thread knows the true facts.  Yet, so many have leapt to conclussions.

Agreed.  Well stated.

[Henry Sugar]

Just because it's not been stated, this article is the lead story on the front page of the Tribune.  It's not just some article. 

No matter what account of blame, it's bad press for MU.

[Marqevans]

Agreed.  Completely.

These allegations really bother me; I hope we've seen the last of them.  Even if there have been no assault charges, I just really hope that we don't hear any more of this.  And I hope that MU corrects any reporting procedures that are not lawful (for all cases...not just basketball).

What is Marquettes policy on unmarried students caught having sex?  I know Notre Dame's policy is very strict and can result in expulsion.

[bilsu]

MU screwed the pooch, but this was a hit piece. Nancy Snow's quote added nothing to the story. Saying the October incident was 4 athletes "sexually attacking" someone is meant to be sensational, and is not close to accurate.

Like I've said all along, MU handled this poorly. But this article had a good deal of slant to it as well.

That is what you get when you try to cover things up.  We got upto 6 players out of 14 involved in extra curricular activites. October (4),  February (1) and Blue orange fight. I feel sorry for the 8 plus innocent players that are being hurt by the cover up. Hell, I feel sorry for the alumni(including me) being embarassed by this cover up. Can I get my Blue and Gold Fund donation back?

[StillAWarrior]

What is Marquettes policy on unmarried students caught having sex?  I know Notre Dame's policy is very strict and can result in expulsion.

Not trying to be a smart ass, but I have absolutely no idea what your point is (or MU/ND policies on unmarried students having sex).

[MUDPT]

I also have a hard time with the Dr. Quade statements after working with her.  She would be the very last person on my list in OSD that would go to bat for the Athletic Department. I totally dismissed this article after reading that. 

When I was there, I don't think expulsion was a part of the punishment for sexual relations.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

 Hell, I'll bet she asked for it.  

As a matter of fact, she did. She seems to have admitted that

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

I'm not surprised at all by the comments from Quade. At all. Cut from the same cloth as the rest of the OSD/ORL.

[MUfan12]

I also have a hard time with the Dr. Quade statements after working with her.  She would be the very last person on my list in OSD that would go to bat for the Athletic Department. I totally dismissed this article after reading that.

I totally agree with this. I have a very hard time believing she dismissed a possible rape and told her to pray about it. She was one of the lead people who got the club Lacrosse team suspended for some pretty minor hazing a few years back.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Holy crap this is a morally wrong position.

Here's a hypo for you:

A woman with whom I have had sex in the past comes over to my apartment to have sex.  We start making out (or even doing more than that) and then she tells me "NO, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU ANY MORE."  I then forcibly have sex with her against her will and explicit instructions.

You're really saying that's far from rape or not even rape?  (I understand there are credibility issues).

DING DING DING DING.  That's exactly where I'm coming from.  Just because you had sex with someone before doesn't mean the toll booth is open for all future actions.  It doesn't even mean it's open that day if you start down that path and she has second thoughts.  She says no, that's the end of it.