[Cracked Sidewalks] Top 2500 returning college basketball players: Jae Crowder ranks 24th best

[CrackedSidewalksSays]

Top 2500 returning college basketball players: Jae Crowder ranks 24th best

Written by: jpudner@concentricgrasstops.com (bamamarquettefan1)

As happens most years, most of the top 100 players in the country were either seniors or left for the NBA draft, and as a result Jae Crowder is the 24th most valuable player going into the 2011-12 season based on a very precise calculation to determine his Value Add to Marquette.

I've posted all 2500+ returning players by team below, but first a few comments.

DJO makes Marquette one of only 14 teams with two top 100 returning players and at least four top 500 players, and our only opponents to match up with us on that count are UConn, Georgetown and Vandy. Here are MUs marks:


table.tableizer-table {border: 1px solid #CCC; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;} .tableizer-table td {padding: 4px; margin: 3px; border: 1px solid #ccc;}
.tableizer-table th {background-color: #104E8B; color: #FFF; font-weight: bold;}


RankFnameLnameFeetInchesTeamValue Add BCSValue Add Low D1[/tr]

24	Jae	Crowder	6	6	Marquette	4.11%
84	Darius	Johnson-Odom	6	2	Marquette	3.01%
403	Davante	Gardner	6	8	Marquette	1.32%
431	Jamil	Wilson	6	7	2010 Oregon	1.23%
638	Juan	Anderson	6	6	Marquette	0.00%
691	Chris	Otule	6	11	Marquette	0.69%
1126	Junior	Cadougan	6	1	Marquette	0.17%
1533	Vander	Blue	6	4	Marquette	0.00%	0.76%
1676	David	Singleton	6	3	2010 High Point	0.00%	0.40%
NR	Todd	Mayo	6	3	Marquette	0.00%	NA
NR	Jamail	Jones	6	6	Marquette	0.00%	NA
NR	Derrick	Wilson	6	1	Marquette	0.00%	NA

(Edited paragraph to explain column added to original) Due to some understandable reader confusion, I had to break the “Value Add” column into two columns.  The best 1,313 returning players this year played well enough to add offensive value at the highest level of play (BCS conferences).  However, there were another 695 returning players who didn't play well enough to add points at the BCS-level, but played well enough to add points playing at a lower D1 school.  For example, both Vander Blue (top 10% in steal percentage) and David Singleton (61st in the country in steal percentage in 2010) focused on defense and did not produce enough offense to help a BCS team score, but both played well enough to help a lower D1 team score by 0.76% and 0.40% respectively, and should add BCS scoring next year.  I had originally tried to stick the “Value Add Low D1” figure in the same Value Add column but the italics didn’t show up to distinguish it from the “Vallue Add BCS” for higher ranked players.

I calculated the Value Add for the 2500+ who are returning after playing at least 4 minutes a game last year. I also added Rivals 150 freshman and assigned a projected Value Add equal to how the corresponding freshman did last year (e.g. Austin Rivers is the #1 ranked recruit according to Rivals, so we project he will do as well as Jared Sullinger did last year). This estimated ranking for freshman is not nearly as accurate as the Value Add formula for returning players, but it creates a comprehensive list, and gives us a feel that Juan Anderson could step right in and be Marquette's 5th best offensive player.

We are matching up against three of the top four players in the country in Wisconsin's Jordan Taylor (#1), Vandy's John Jenkins (#3) and Pitt's Ashton Gibbs (#4). However, we already shut down the #5 returning player in Xavier's Tu Holloway. We have some unexpected tough match-ups such as UWMs 6-foot-8 Tony Meier as the 42nd most valuable returning player.

Also, I can’t deny some former players and commits are looking awfully good out there. The real shame is that 6-foot-8 Trevor Mbakwe comes back to Minnesota as the 43rd player in the country. I certainly underestimated DJ Newbill as a low 3-star, as he was the 28th best freshman in the country at Southern Mississippi (147th most valuable overall). Tyshawn Taylor (343rd) of Kansas is on pace for the NBA next year, Nick Williams (404th) was Mississippi’s best player on a talented team after transferring from Indiana. Patrick Hazel almost cracked the Top 1000, and both he and Liam McMorrow were shot blocking machines. Only Jeronne Maymon at Tennessee has been a bust, but players averaging fewer than 4 minutes a game can’t be rated.

The one other team I wanted to pull out is Vanderbilt, who is scary loaded. As great as we played against them last year, I am glad they have to come to Milwaukee this year. Three of the top 50 players in the country will be tough.


table.tableizer-table {border: 1px solid #CCC; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;} .tableizer-table td {padding: 4px; margin: 3px; border: 1px solid #ccc;}
.tableizer-table th {background-color: #104E8B; color: #FFF; font-weight: bold;}


RankFnameLnameFeetInchesTeamValue Add BCSValue Add Low D1[/tr]

3	John	Jenkins	6	4	Vanderbilt	6.18%
34	Brad	Tinsley	6	3	Vanderbilt	3.68%
48	Festus	Ezeli	6	11	Vanderbilt	3.48%
115	Jeffery	Taylor	6	7	Vanderbilt	2.71%
390	Lance	Goulbourne	6	8	Vanderbilt	1.36%
594	Steve	Tchiengang	6	9	Vanderbilt	0.87%
648	Dai-Jon	Parker	6	3	Vanderbilt	0.00%
765	Kedren	Johnson	6	4	Vanderbilt	0.00%
937	Andre	Walker	6	7	Vanderbilt	0.33%
1173	Rod	Odom	6	9	Vanderbilt	0.13%
2126	Kyle	Fuller	6	1	Vanderbilt	0.00%	0.00%

But with that I will let you pick what you want to browse through by presenting the other 343 teams (besides Vandy and MU above), with the returning players on each team listed by the highest Value Add and what their ranking is of all returning players in the country.


table.tableizer-table {border: 1px solid #CCC; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;} .tableizer-table td {padding: 4px; margin: 3px; border: 1px solid #ccc;}
.tableizer-table th {background-color: #104E8B; color: #FFF; font-weight: bold;}


RankFnameLnameFeetInchesTeamValue Add BCSValue Add Low D1[/tr]

111	Tom	Fow	6	6	Air Force	2.78%
258	Michael	Lyons	6	6	Air Force	1.84%
703	Todd	Fletcher	6	2	Air Force	0.67%
788	Mike	Fitzgerald	6	6	Air Force	0.53%
860	Zach	Bohannon	6	7	Air Force	0.42%
870	Taylor	Broekhuis	6	10	Air Force	0.40%
1672	Taylor	Stewart	6	5	Air Force	0.00%	0.41%
2204	Shawn	Hempsey	6	2	Air Force	0.00%	0.00%
352	Brett	McClanahan	6	4	AkronÂ	1.51%
865	Zeke	Marshall	7	0	AkronÂ	0.41%
878	Nikola	Cvetinovic	6	8	AkronÂ	0.39%
1256	Quincy	Diggs	6	6	AkronÂ	0.05%
1422	Alex	Abreu	5	9	AkronÂ	0.00%	1.15%
29	Tony	Mitchell	6	6	Alabama	3.89%
161	JaMychal	Green	6	8	Alabama	2.39%
336	Levi	Randolph	6	5	Alabama	0.00%
386	Trevor	Releford	6	1	Alabama	1.36%
509	Rodney	Cooper	6	5	Alabama	0.00%
834	Nick	Jacobs	6	8	Alabama	0.00%
1005	Andrew	Steele	6	4	Alabama	0.27%
2130	Charles	Hankerson	6	5	Alabama	0.00%	0.00%
2449	Ben	Eblen	6	0	Alabama	0.00%	0.00%
1404	Demarquelle	Tabb	6	5	Alabama A&M	0.00%	1.23%
1610	Casey	Cantey	6	5	Alabama A&M	0.00%	0.53%
2244	Diamon	Alexander	6	6	Alabama A&M	0.00%	0.00%
2312	Jerome	Hunter	6	10	Alabama A&M	0.00%	0.00%
2392	Jeremy	Crutcher	5	8	Alabama A&M	0.00%	0.00%
552	Ivory	White	6	4	Alabama St.Â	0.93%
1201	Kaylim	Noel	6	4	Alabama St.Â	0.10%
1403	Kenderek	Washington	6	4	Alabama St.Â	0.00%	1.24%
1750	Stephawn	Brown	6	4	Alabama St.Â	0.00%	0.28%
1953	Shareif	Adamu	6	7	Alabama St.Â	0.00%	0.06%
2052	Jeffery	Middlebrooks	6	1	Alabama St.Â	0.00%	0.00%
2115	Tramaine	Butler	6	2	Alabama St.Â	0.00%	0.00%
2285	Dwayne	Harvey	5	11	Alabama St.Â	0.00%	0.00%
2369	Patrick	Davis	6	10	Alabama St.Â	0.00%	0.00%
2433	Ryan	Watts	6	1	Alabama St.Â	0.00%	0.00%
2463	Ivan	Johnson	6	4	Alabama St.Â	0.00%	0.00%
541	Luke	Devlin	6	8	Albany	0.96%
582	Logan	Aronhalt	6	3	Albany	0.89%
996	Billy	Allen	6	6	Albany	0.28%
1153	Mike	Black	6	0	Albany	0.15%
1550	Blake	Metcalf	6	9	Albany	0.00%	0.71%
1687	Ralph	Watts	6	5	Albany	0.00%	0.38%
1730	Jacob	Iati	5	10	Albany	0.00%	0.31%
2316	John	Puk	6	10	Albany	0.00%	0.00%
2400	Jake	Lindfors	6	10	Albany	0.00%	0.00%
858	LeAntwan	Luckett	6	5	Alcorn St.	0.00%
1426	Marquis	Baker	6	2	Alcorn St.	0.00%	1.13%
1627	Michael	Starks	6	8	Alcorn St.	0.00%	0.49%
1884	Korey	Sanders	6	8	Alcorn St.	0.00%	0.13%
1923	Michael	Martin	6	8	Alcorn St.	0.00%	0.09%
1981	Jamar	Ragland	6	5	Alcorn St.	0.00%	0.03%
2114	Willis	Brownlee	6	4	Alcorn St.	0.00%	0.00%
2251	Kendrick	McDonald	5	10	Alcorn St.	0.00%	0.00%
2282	Alex	Savannah	5	11	Alcorn St.	0.00%	0.00%
2310	Chris	Davenport	6	6	Alcorn St.	0.00%	0.00%
2399	Ian	Francis	6	8	Alcorn St.	0.00%	0.00%
2470	Keith	Searcy	6	4	Alcorn St.	0.00%	0.00%
2476	Tony	Eackles	6	2	Alcorn St.	0.00%	0.00%
2483	Shaunvanta	Ingram	6	3	Alcorn St.	0.00%	0.00%
134	Stephen	Lumpkins	6	8	American	2.55%
502	Troy	Brewer	6	5	American	1.06%
1135	Tony	Wroblicky	6	10	American	0.17%
1252	Daniel	Munoz	6	1	American	0.06%
1815	Charles	Hinkle	6	5	American	0.00%	0.21%
2055	Simon	McCormack	6	4	American	0.00%	0.00%
152	Omar	Carter	6	5	Appalachian St.	2.46%
429	Andre	Williamson	6	7	Appalachian St.	1.24%
838	Petey	Hausley	6	6	Appalachian St.	0.44%
914	Nathan	Healy	6	7	Appalachian St.	0.35%
1311	Anthony	Breeze	6	5	Appalachian St.	0.003%
2139	Marcus	Wright	6	1	Appalachian St.	0.00%	0.00%
2394	Mitch	Woods	6	3	Appalachian St.	0.00%	0.00%
170	Josiah	Turner	6	3	Arizona	0.00%
245	Nick	Johnson	6	2	Arizona	0.00%
721	Angelo	Chol	6	8	Arizona	0.00%
779	Sidiki	Johnson	6	8	Arizona	0.00%
242	Trent	Lockett	6	4	Arizona St.	1.91%
351	Jahii	Carson	5	10	Arizona St.	0.00%
893	Kyle	Cain	6	7	Arizona St.	0.37%
936	Chanse	Creekmur	6	5	Arizona St.	0.33%
1172	Carrick	Felix	6	6	Arizona St.	0.13%
1274	Corey	Hawkins	6	1	Arizona St.	0.03%
1643	Ruslan	Pateev	7	0	Arizona St.	0.00%	0.46%
1675	Jordan	Bachynski	7	2	Arizona St.	0.00%	0.40%
1951	Brandon	Dunson	6	2	Arizona St.	0.00%	0.06%
2183	Keala	King	6	5	Arizona St.	0.00%	0.00%
81	Kevin	Parrom	6	6	ArizonaÂ	3.03%
203	Solomon	Hill	6	6	ArizonaÂ	2.14%
341	Kyle	Fogg	6	3	ArizonaÂ	1.56%
396	Jesse	Perry	6	7	ArizonaÂ	1.34%
461	Lamont	Jones	6	0	ArizonaÂ	1.15%
477	Jordin	Mayes	6	2	ArizonaÂ	1.11%
613	Brendon	Lavender	6	5	ArizonaÂ	0.83%
796	Kyryl	Natyazhko	6	11	ArizonaÂ	0.52%
17	Rotnei	Clarke	6	0	Arkansas	4.41%
308	B.J.	Young	6	3	Arkansas	0.00%
343	Ky	Madden	6	5	Arkansas	0.00%
592	Marshawn	Powell	6	7	Arkansas	0.87%
685	Glenn	Bryant	6	7	Arkansas	0.69%
889	Hunter	Mickelson	6	10	Arkansas	0.00%
929	Devonta	Abron	6	8	Arkansas	0.00%
1006	Mardracus	Wade	6	2	Arkansas	0.27%
1133	Aaron	Ross	6	7	Arkansas	0.00%
1387	Julysses	Nobles	6	1	Arkansas	0.00%	1.32%
1563	Jeff	Peterson	6	0	Arkansas	0.00%	0.67%
1657	Marvell	Waithe	6	9	Arkansas	0.00%	0.42%
2034	Michael	Sanchez	6	8	Arkansas	0.00%	0.00%
2068	Rickey	Scott	6	3	Arkansas	0.00%	0.00%
1018	D'Andre	Williams	5	10	Arkansas Little RockÂ	0.26%
1039	Daylon	Guy	5	10	Arkansas Little RockÂ	0.25%
1071	Tramar	Sutherland	6	3	Arkansas Little RockÂ	0.21%
1228	Marlon	Louzeiro	6	7	Arkansas Little RockÂ	0.08%
1706	Courtney	Jackson	6	6	Arkansas Little RockÂ	0.00%	0.34%
2013	Eric	Kibi	6	6	Arkansas Little RockÂ	0.00%	0.00%
2301	Gus	Leeper	6	9	Arkansas Little RockÂ	0.00%	0.00%
1429	Terrell	Kennedy	6	6	Arkansas Pine Bluff	0.00%	1.11%
1522	Savalance	Townsend	6	2	Arkansas Pine Bluff	0.00%	0.78%
1843	Gavin	Montgomery	6	6	Arkansas Pine Bluff	0.00%	0.18%
2083	Clay	Johnson	6	0	Arkansas Pine Bluff	0.00%	0.00%
2108	Daniel	Broughton	6	8	Arkansas Pine Bluff	0.00%	0.00%
2475	Marcel	Mosley	5	11	Arkansas Pine Bluff	0.00%	0.00%
2501	Lavoris	Weathers	6	8	Arkansas Pine Bluff	0.00%	0.00%
327	Trey	Finn	6	2	Arkansas St.	1.60%
1219	Daniel	Bryant	5	10	Arkansas St.	0.09%
1225	Adam	Sterrenberg	6	3	Arkansas St.	0.08%
1351	Martavius	Adams	6	8	Arkansas St.	0.00%	1.68%
1400	Brandon	Peterson	6	7	Arkansas St.	0.00%	1.24%
1498	Malcoln	Kirkland	6	8	Arkansas St.	0.00%	0.85%
1821	Edward	Townsel	6	0	Arkansas St.	0.00%	0.20%
241	Ella	Ellis	6	6	Army	1.91%
883	Josh	Herbeck	6	4	Army	0.38%
1420	Julian	Simmons	6	0	Army	0.00%	1.16%
1691	Jason	Pancoe	6	3	Army	0.00%	0.37%
1903	Chris	Welker	6	5	Army	0.00%	0.11%
1939	Cart	Kincade	6	3	Army	0.00%	0.07%
2051	Mitch	McDonald	5	7	Army	0.00%	0.00%
2138	Jordan	Springer	6	7	Army	0.00%	0.00%
2450	C.J.	McElrath	6	0	Army	0.00%	0.00%
361	Earnest	Ross	6	5	Auburn	1.46%
646	Andre	Malone	6	5	Auburn	0.77%
657	Willy	Kouassi	6	10	Auburn	0.00%
864	Frankie	Sullivan	6	1	Auburn	0.41%
945	Chris	Denson	6	2	Auburn	0.32%
1130	Kenny	Gabriel	6	8	Auburn	0.17%
1135	Cedrick	McAfee	6	3	Auburn	0.00%
1572	Rob	Chubb	6	10	Auburn	0.00%	0.65%
1589	Adrian	Forbes	6	8	Auburn	0.00%	0.58%
1801	Josh	Wallace	5	10	Auburn	0.00%	0.23%
1989	Josh	Langford	6	7	Auburn	0.00%	0.02%
2269	Allen	Payne	6	6	Auburn	0.00%	0.00%
2365	Tony	Neysmith	6	5	Auburn	0.00%	0.00%
230	TyShwan	Edmondson	6	4	Austin Peay	1.97%
286	John	Fraley	6	8	Austin Peay	1.74%
642	Justin	Blake	6	3	Austin Peay	0.79%
765	Will	Triggs	6	6	Austin Peay	0.57%
787	Josh	Terry	6	5	Austin Peay	0.53%
842	Anthony	Campbell	6	6	Austin Peay	0.43%
1008	Marcel	Williams	6	6	Austin Peay	0.27%
1509	Melvin	Baker	6	7	Austin Peay	0.00%	0.82%
1662	Tyrone	Caldwell	6	0	Austin Peay	0.00%	0.42%
276	Randy	Davis	5	11	Ball St.	1.77%
328	Jarrod	Jones	6	9	Ball St.	1.60%
342	Chris	Bond	6	4	Ball St.	1.56%
873	Jesse	Berry	6	1	Ball St.	0.39%
942	Matt	Kamieniecki	6	7	Ball St.	0.32%
986	Jauwan	Scaife	6	2	Ball St.	0.29%
1761	Pierre	Sneed	6	4	Ball St.	0.00%	0.27%
2209	Tyrae	Robinson	6	2	Ball St.	0.00%	0.00%
112	Perry	Jones	6	10	Baylor	2.77%
120	Quincy	Acy	6	7	Baylor	2.65%
134	Quincy	Miller	6	8	Baylor	0.00%
175	Anthony	Jones	6	10	Baylor	2.32%
570	Deuce	Bello	6	4	Baylor	0.00%
1279	J'mison	Morgan	6	10	Baylor	0.03%
1286	Fred	Ellis	6	6	Baylor	0.02%
1369	A.J.	Walton	6	1	Baylor	0.00%	1.50%
1980	Nolan	Dennis	6	5	Baylor	0.00%	0.03%
2358	Stargell	Love	6	2	Baylor	0.00%	0.00%
113	Ian	Clark	6	3	BelmontÂ	2.72%
165	Mick	Hedgepeth	6	9	BelmontÂ	2.37%
289	Drew	Hanlen	5	11	BelmontÂ	1.72%
303	Scott	Saunders	6	10	BelmontÂ	1.69%
392	Kerron	Johnson	6	1	BelmontÂ	1.35%
763	J.J.	Mann	6	6	BelmontÂ	0.58%
854	Trevor	Noack	6	7	BelmontÂ	0.42%
1562	Blake	Jenkins	6	7	BelmontÂ	0.00%	0.67%
1603	Brandon	Baker	6	6	BelmontÂ	0.00%	0.54%
530	C.J.	Reed	6	3	Bethune Cookman	1.00%
556	Garrius	Holloman	6	6	Bethune Cookman	0.93%
1145	Kevin	Dukes	5	9	Bethune Cookman	0.16%
1471	Stanley	Elliott	6	3	Bethune Cookman	0.00%	0.94%
1553	Javoris	Bryant	6	6	Bethune Cookman	0.00%	0.70%
2079	Mikel	Trapp	6	2	Bethune Cookman	0.00%	0.00%
2086	Aric	Miller	6	3	Bethune Cookman	0.00%	0.00%
2332	Raymoan	McAfee	6	7	Bethune Cookman	0.00%	0.00%
1226	Kyrie	Sutton	6	9	Binghamton	0.08%
1451	Jimmy	Gray	6	0	Binghamton	0.00%	1.03%
1653	Taylor	Johnston	6	7	Binghamton	0.00%	0.43%
1909	Alex	Ogundadegbe	6	8	Binghamton	0.00%	0.10%
2290	Robert	Mansell	6	4	Binghamton	0.00%	0.00%
348	Ryan	Watkins	6	8	Boise St.	1.52%
686	Jeff	Elorriaga	6	2	Boise St.	0.69%
704	Thomas	Bropleh	6	5	Boise St.	0.67%
1617	Tre	Nichols	6	0	Boise St.	0.00%	0.51%
608	Danny	Rubin	6	6	Boston College	0.84%
1591	Gabriel	Moton	6	2	Boston College	0.00%	0.57%
1650	Dallas	Elmore	6	5	Boston College	0.00%	0.44%
325	Matt	Griffin	5	10	Boston UniversityÂ	1.61%
602	D.J.	Irving	6	0	Boston UniversityÂ	0.85%
973	Jake	O'Brien	6	8	Boston UniversityÂ	0.30%
1010	Patrick	Hazel	6	6	Boston UniversityÂ	0.27%
1319	Darryl	Partin	6	6	Boston UniversityÂ	0.00%	2.13%
1489	Dom	Morris	6	7	Boston UniversityÂ	0.00%	0.88%
2045	Jeff	Pelage	6	8	Boston UniversityÂ	0.00%	0.00%
2278	Travis	Robinson	6	5	Boston UniversityÂ	0.00%	0.00%
2359	Mike	Terry	6	0	Boston UniversityÂ	0.00%	0.00%
538	Dee	Brown	6	3	Bowling Green	0.98%
896	Torian	Oglesby	6	7	Bowling Green	0.37%
1322	Scott	Thomas	6	6	Bowling Green	0.00%	2.05%
1370	Jordon	Crawford	5	6	Bowling Green	0.00%	1.50%
1421	A'uston	Calhoun	6	7	Bowling Green	0.00%	1.15%
1560	Cameron	Black	6	10	Bowling Green	0.00%	0.67%
1587	Luke	Kraus	6	2	Bowling Green	0.00%	0.58%
2185	Craig	Sealey	6	6	Bowling Green	0.00%	0.00%
2277	Danny	McElroy	6	8	Bowling Green	0.00%	0.00%
2447	James	Erger	6	6	Bowling Green	0.00%	0.00%
747	Dyricus	Simms-Edwards	6	2	Bradley	0.60%
939	Jake	Eastman	6	4	Bradley	0.33%
1030	Jordan	Prosser	6	8	Bradley	0.25%
1435	Will	Egolf	6	9	Bradley	0.00%	1.09%
2167	Walt	Lemon	6	3	Bradley	0.00%	0.00%
2202	Milos	Knezevic	6	8	Bradley	0.00%	0.00%
2288	Anthony	Thompson	6	10	Bradley	0.00%	0.00%
71	Noah	Hartsock	6	8	Brigham YoungÂ	3.14%
187	Brandon	Davies	6	9	Brigham YoungÂ	2.25%
405	Charles	Abouo	6	5	Brigham YoungÂ	1.32%
601	Kyle	Collinsworth	6	6	Brigham YoungÂ	0.85%
614	Stephen	Rogers	6	8	Brigham YoungÂ	0.83%
1212	Brock	Zylstra	6	6	Brigham YoungÂ	0.09%
2240	James	Anderson	6	10	Brigham YoungÂ	0.00%	0.00%
555	Andrew	McCarthy	6	8	Brown	0.93%
674	Tucker	Halpern	6	8	Brown	0.71%
827	Matt	Sullivan	6	6	Brown	0.46%
849	Dockery	Walker	6	7	Brown	0.42%
876	Sean	McGonagill	6	1	Brown	0.39%
1789	Tyler	Ponticelli	6	8	Brown	0.00%	0.24%
253	Frankie	Dobbs	6	3	Bryant	1.86%
1064	Corey	Maynard	6	2	Bryant	0.22%
1567	Vlad	Kondratyev	6	8	Bryant	0.00%	0.65%
1825	Alex	Francis	6	6	Bryant	0.00%	0.19%
2015	Matthew	Lee	6	2	Bryant	0.00%	0.00%
2033	Raphael	Jordan	6	1	Bryant	0.00%	0.00%
132	Bryson	Johnson	6	1	BucknellÂ	2.55%
205	Mike	Muscala	6	10	BucknellÂ	2.13%
699	Cameron	Ayers	6	5	BucknellÂ	0.67%
1389	Joe	Willman	6	6	BucknellÂ	0.00%	1.31%
1842	Bryan	Cohen	6	5	BucknellÂ	0.00%	0.18%
2274	Colin	Klebon	6	8	BucknellÂ	0.00%	0.00%
2461	Ryan	Hill	6	2	BucknellÂ	0.00%	0.00%
170	Zach	Filzen	6	3	Buffalo	2.35%
194	Javon	McCrea	6	6	Buffalo	2.18%
1028	Mitchell	Watt	6	9	Buffalo	0.26%
1125	Tony	Watson	6	2	Buffalo	0.17%
1515	Dave	Barnett	6	5	Buffalo	0.00%	0.81%
1613	Titus	Robinson	6	7	Buffalo	0.00%	0.52%
2371	Jarod	Oldham	6	3	Buffalo	0.00%	0.00%
51	Andrew	Smith	6	11	ButlerÂ	3.36%
430	Khyle	Marshall	6	7	ButlerÂ	1.23%
897	Chase	Stigall	6	4	ButlerÂ	0.37%
985	Garrett	Butcher	6	7	ButlerÂ	0.29%
1054	Roosevelt	Jones	6	4	ButlerÂ	0.00%
1674	Ronald	Nored	6	0	ButlerÂ	0.00%	0.40%
182	David	Hanson	6	5	Cal Poly	2.30%
915	Maliik	Love	6	3	Cal Poly	0.35%
1138	Will	Donahue	6	8	Cal Poly	0.16%
1598	Chris	O'Brien	6	4	Cal Poly	0.00%	0.55%
1755	Jordan	Lewis	6	5	Cal Poly	0.00%	0.28%
2154	Jamal	Johnson	6	0	Cal Poly	0.00%	0.00%
2401	Drake	U'u	6	5	Cal Poly	0.00%	0.00%
593	Alex	Johnson	5	10	Cal St. Bakersfield	0.87%
596	Rashad	Savage	6	6	Cal St. Bakersfield	0.86%
1625	Reynaul	Baker	6	2	Cal St. Bakersfield	0.00%	0.49%
1948	James	Albright	6	6	Cal St. Bakersfield	0.00%	0.06%
2022	Stephon	Carter	6	3	Cal St. Bakersfield	0.00%	0.00%
2105	Donald	Johnson	6	8	Cal St. Bakersfield	0.00%	0.00%
2179	Kregg	Jones	6	8	Cal St. Bakersfield	0.00%	0.00%
2409	De'Aundray	Robinson	6	5	Cal St. Bakersfield	0.00%	0.00%
532	Perry	Webster	6	1	Cal St. Fullerton	1.00%
801	Isiah	Umipig	6	1	Cal St. Fullerton	0.51%
817	Orane	Chin	6	7	Cal St. Fullerton	0.48%
1197	Andre	Hardy	6	6	Cal St. Fullerton	0.11%
1520	Orlando	Brown	6	1	Cal St. Fullerton	0.00%	0.79%
1828	Roger	Guardia	6	4	Cal St. Fullerton	0.00%	0.19%
1912	Sedric	Martin	6	6	Cal St. Fullerton	0.00%	0.10%
2162	Steve	Jurich	6	7	Cal St. Fullerton	0.00%	0.00%
1051	Vinnie	McGhee	6	0	Cal St. Northridge	0.23%
1060	Joshua	Greene	6	0	Cal St. Northridge	0.23%
1176	Thomas	Jacobs	6	6	Cal St. Northridge	0.13%
1818	Aqeel	Quinn	6	4	Cal St. Northridge	0.00%	0.20%
1976	Jordan	Mitchell	6	9	Cal St. Northridge	0.00%	0.03%
2292	Allen	Jiles	6	4	Cal St. Northridge	0.00%	0.00%
2416	John	Hayward-Mayhew	6	8	Cal St. Northridge	0.00%	0.00%
2423	Frankie	Eteuati	6	9	Cal St. Northridge	0.00%	0.00%
59	Harper	Kamp	6	8	California	3.28%
86	Allen	Crabbe	6	4	California	2.99%
169	Jorge	Gutierrez	6	3	California	2.35%
423	Richard	Solomon	6	8	California	1.26%
1114	Brandon	Smith	5	11	California	0.18%
1229	Bak	Bak	6	9	California	0.08%
2228	Gary	Franklin	6	2	California	0.00%	0.00%
2270	Nigel	Carter	6	4	California	0.00%	0.00%
2327	Emerson	Murray	6	3	California	0.00%	0.00%
313	Lorne	Merthie	6	2	Campbell	1.64%
1206	Eric	Griffin	6	8	Campbell	0.10%
1488	Marvelle	Harris	6	6	Campbell	0.00%	0.88%
1695	Rico	Ferguson	6	2	Campbell	0.00%	0.36%
1737	Martell	Jackson	6	10	Campbell	0.00%	0.30%
1800	Amir	Celestin	6	1	Campbell	0.00%	0.23%
1810	Keishawn	Mayes	6	7	Campbell	0.00%	0.22%
1935	Anthony	Horton	6	8	Campbell	0.00%	0.08%
1376	Alshwan	Hymes	6	2	Canisius	0.00%	1.44%
1413	Gaby	Belardo	6	2	Canisius	0.00%	1.20%
2070	Chris	Manhertz	6	6	Canisius	0.00%	0.00%
2155	Reggie	Groves	6	2	Canisius	0.00%	0.00%
2019	Maxx	Nakwaasah	6	1	Centenary	0.00%	0.00%
2095	Logan	Lowery	6	5	Centenary	0.00%	0.00%
2206	Jeron	Trotman	6	6	Centenary	0.00%	0.00%
2226	Andrew	Rebol	6	8	Centenary	0.00%	0.00%
2306	Aaron	Harwell	5	11	Centenary	0.00%	0.00%
2390	Baba	Diallo	6	8	Centenary	0.00%	0.00%
2460	Travis	Sims	6	6	Centenary	0.00%	0.00%
1132	Chris	Henson	6	8	Central Arkansas	0.17%
1405	Mark	Rutledge	6	4	Central Arkansas	0.00%	1.23%
1967	T.K.	Smith	6	2	Central Arkansas	0.00%	0.04%
2049	Dewan	Clayborn	5	11	Central Arkansas	0.00%	0.00%
2227	Terry	Tidwell	6	8	Central Arkansas	0.00%	0.00%
2354	Ryan	Williams	6	4	Central Arkansas	0.00%	0.00%
8	Ken	Horton	6	6	Central Connecticut	5.06%
846	Chris	Baskerville	6	5	Central Connecticut	0.43%
1298	Terrell	Allen	6	6	Central Connecticut	0.01%
1315	Robby	Ptacek	6	3	Central Connecticut	0.00%	2.28%
1536	Joseph	Efese	6	6	Central Connecticut	0.00%	0.75%
1648	Vince	Rosario	5	10	Central Connecticut	0.00%	0.44%
2349	Devan	Bailey	6	2	Central Connecticut	0.00%	0.00%
2419	De'Angelo	Speech	6	5	Central Connecticut	0.00%	0.00%
96	Keith	Clanton	6	8	Central Florida	2.91%
275	Marcus	Jordan	6	3	Central Florida	1.77%
487	Isaac	Sosa	6	3	Central Florida	1.10%
574	Michael	Chandler	6	10	Central Florida	0.00%
714	Dwight	McCombs	6	8	Central Florida	0.65%
969	Isaiah	Sykes	6	5	Central Florida	0.30%
1003	P.J.	Gaynor	6	8	Central Florida	0.27%
1086	A.J.	Rompza	5	9	Central Florida	0.21%
1817	David	Diakite	6	6	Central Florida	0.00%	0.20%
1262	John	Morris	5	10	Central Michigan	0.04%
1479	Derek	Jackson	6	0	Central Michigan	0.00%	0.89%
1746	Andre	Coimbra	6	9	Central Michigan	0.00%	0.29%
1952	Trey	Zeigler	6	5	Central Michigan	0.00%	0.06%
1994	Finis	Craddock	6	1	Central Michigan	0.00%	0.02%
2136	Colin	Voss	6	7	Central Michigan	0.00%	0.00%
38	Kelvin	Martin	6	5	Charleston Southern	3.56%
689	Sheldon	Strickland	6	0	Charleston Southern	0.69%
857	Johnathan	Brooks	6	7	Charleston Southern	0.42%
940	Kenny	Mitchell	6	7	Charleston Southern	0.33%
956	Troy	Pierce	6	6	Charleston Southern	0.31%
962	Matt	Kennedy	6	3	Charleston Southern	0.31%
1033	Jeremy	Sexton	6	2	Charleston Southern	0.25%
1120	Zimmy	Nwogbo	6	7	Charleston Southern	0.17%
1947	Chris	Grier	6	3	Charleston Southern	0.00%	0.06%
919	Javarris	Barnett	6	6	Charlotte	0.35%
1002	Gokhan	Sirin	6	9	Charlotte	0.27%
1106	Chris	Braswell	6	9	Charlotte	0.19%
1158	Jamar	Briscoe	5	10	Charlotte	0.14%
1178	K.J.	Sherrill	6	7	Charlotte	0.13%
1318	Derrio	Green	6	2	Charlotte	0.00%	2.16%
553	Keegan	Bell	6	1	Chattanooga	0.93%
557	Omar	Wattad	6	5	Chattanooga	0.92%
736	Ricky	Taylor	6	5	Chattanooga	0.62%
1277	Chris	Early	6	7	Chattanooga	0.03%
1669	Dontay	Hampton	6	1	Chattanooga	0.00%	0.41%
1823	Josh	Odem	6	5	Chattanooga	0.00%	0.20%
2271	Jahmal	Burroughs	6	6	Chattanooga	0.00%	0.00%
2441	Sam	Watson	6	7	Chattanooga	0.00%	0.00%
1972	Victor	Scott	6	3	Chicago St.	0.00%	0.04%
2440	Ardarius	Simmons	5	10	Chicago St.	0.00%	0.00%
2498	Steve	Martin	5	10	Chicago St.	0.00%	0.00%
79	Dion	Dixon	6	3	CincinnatiÂ	3.05%
146	Yancy	Gates	6	9	CincinnatiÂ	2.50%
148	Sean	Kilpatrick	6	4	CincinnatiÂ	2.49%
279	Cashmere	Wright	6	0	CincinnatiÂ	1.77%
766	Shaquille	Thomas	6	6	CincinnatiÂ	0.00%
1060	Jermaine	Sanders	6	4	CincinnatiÂ	0.00%
1946	Justin	Jackson	6	8	CincinnatiÂ	0.00%	0.07%
2326	Jaquon	Parker	6	3	CincinnatiÂ	0.00%	0.00%
40	Andre	Young	5	9	ClemsonÂ	3.54%
478	Tanner	Smith	6	5	ClemsonÂ	1.11%
619	Devin	Booker	6	8	ClemsonÂ	0.82%
774	Bernard	Sullivan	6	7	ClemsonÂ	0.00%
1105	Bryan	Narcisse	6	6	ClemsonÂ	0.19%
1107	Milton	Jennings	6	9	ClemsonÂ	0.18%
1865	Cory	Stanton	5	10	ClemsonÂ	0.00%	0.16%
103	Trevon	Harmon	6	1	Cleveland St.	2.85%
528	Josh	McCoy	6	4	Cleveland St.	1.01%
591	Tim	Kamczyc	6	6	Cleveland St.	0.87%
728	Jeremy	Montgomery	6	2	Cleveland St.	0.63%
1108	Joe	Latas	6	11	Cleveland St.	0.18%
1248	Aaron	Pogue	6	9	Cleveland St.	0.06%
1714	Charlie	Woods	6	7	Cleveland St.	0.00%	0.34%
2164	Ludovic	Ndaye	6	9	Cleveland St.	0.00%	0.00%
191	Desmond	Holloway	6	3	Coastal Carolina	2.22%
236	Sam	McLaurin	6	6	Coastal Carolina	1.94%
347	Anthony	Raffa	6	0	Coastal Carolina	1.52%
635	Dexter	Moore	6	1	Coastal Carolina	0.80%
726	Brandon	Crawford	6	5	Coastal Carolina	0.63%
795	Jon	Pack	6	11	Coastal Carolina	0.52%
886	Kierre	Greenwood	6	1	Coastal Carolina	0.38%
1047	Danny	Nieman	6	1	Coastal Carolina	0.24%
783	Nick	Pascale	6	10	Colgate	0.54%
1260	Mike	Venezia	6	1	Colgate	0.05%
1330	Yaw	Gyawu	6	5	Colgate	0.00%	1.88%
1556	Sterling	Melville	6	4	Colgate	0.00%	0.69%
1616	Brandon	James	6	6	Colgate	0.00%	0.51%
1778	Pat	Moore	6	5	Colgate	0.00%	0.25%
1897	John	Brandenburg	6	11	Colgate	0.00%	0.12%
2157	Mitch	Rolls	6	0	Colgate	0.00%	0.00%
2333	Chad	Johnson	6	3	Colgate	0.00%	0.00%
57	Trent	Wiedeman	6	8	College of Charleston	3.28%
254	Willis	Hall	6	6	College of Charleston	1.86%
316	Adjehi	Baru	6	9	College of Charleston	0.00%
432	Andrew	Lawrence	6	1	College of Charleston	1.23%
1998	James	Carlton	6	7	College of Charleston	0.00%	0.02%
168	Andre	Roberson	6	7	Colorado	2.35%
234	Austin	Dufault	6	9	Colorado	1.95%
682	Nate	Tomlinson	6	3	Colorado	0.70%
1074	Damiene	Cain	6	7	Colorado	0.00%
1136	Spencer	Dinwiddie	6	4	Colorado	0.00%
1152	Shannon	Sharpe	6	1	Colorado	0.15%
336	Pierce	Hornung	6	5	Colorado St.	1.57%
580	Wes	Eikmeier	6	3	Colorado St.	0.89%
820	Dorian	Green	6	2	Colorado St.	0.47%
935	Jesse	Carr	6	2	Colorado St.	0.33%
952	Greg	Smith	6	6	Colorado St.	0.32%
1141	Will	Bell	6	6	Colorado St.	0.16%
1841	Dwight	Smith	6	4	Colorado St.	0.00%	0.18%
76	Brian	Barbour	6	1	Columbia	3.07%
490	Mark	Cisco	6	8	Columbia	1.09%
984	Meiko	Lyles	6	3	Columbia	0.29%
998	Noruwa	Agho	6	3	Columbia	0.28%
1111	Dyami	Starks	6	2	Columbia	0.18%
1148	Matt	Johnson	6	7	Columbia	0.15%
1508	Steve	Frankoski	6	2	Columbia	0.00%	0.83%
1717	John	Daniels	6	7	Columbia	0.00%	0.33%
1894	Van	Green	6	3	Columbia	0.00%	0.12%
37	Jeremy	Lamb	6	5	ConnecticutÂ	3.59%
66	Alex	Oriakhi	6	9	ConnecticutÂ	3.18%
345	Roscoe	Smith	6	8	ConnecticutÂ	1.53%
346	Shabazz	Napier	6	0	ConnecticutÂ	1.52%
449	Ryan	Boatright	5	10	ConnecticutÂ	0.00%
469	Jamal	Coombs-McDaniel	6	7	ConnecticutÂ	1.13%
1231	Niels	Giffey	6	7	ConnecticutÂ	0.08%
1943	Tyler	Olander	6	9	ConnecticutÂ	0.00%	0.07%
317	Michael	Harper	6	4	Coppin St.	1.63%
740	Antonio	Williams	6	6	Coppin St.	0.61%
808	Jordan	Lee	6	4	Coppin St.	0.49%
1246	Michael	Murray	6	5	Coppin St.	0.06%
1388	Tony	Gallo	5	11	Coppin St.	0.00%	1.32%
1418	Akeem	Ellis	6	6	Coppin St.	0.00%	1.16%
1797	Collin	Johnson	6	4	Coppin St.	0.00%	0.23%
1856	Branden	Doughty	6	8	Coppin St.	0.00%	0.16%
167	Chris	Wroblewski	6	0	Cornell	2.35%
245	Andrew	Ferry	6	4	Cornell	1.90%
1113	Errick	Peck	6	6	Cornell[

[Bertface]

I am sorry but these rankings mean diddly squat to me. 2,500 players?? Someone is simply wasting their time.

[Skatastrophy]

I am sorry but these rankings mean diddly squat to me

If you don't understand or appreciate statistics then maybe you should stay away from the heavy statistical analysis threads.

[Bertface]

Hey yeah that is a great idea

or maybe

Don't tell me what to do.

[ringout]

Hey yeah that is a great idea

or maybe

Don't tell me what to do.

Is this your son Skat?

[leever]

Hey yeah that is a great idea

or maybe

Don't tell me what to do.

......or I'll take my ball and go home!

[Bertface]

Hey I appreciate numbers and stats for an overall snapshot of the game and understand that weeks and weeks of work are being put into these rankings.

However, how do you measure a players heart and desire to excel in the game?

I am sure Tractor Traylor's numbers were much higher than Dirk's at the point they were drafted. Now Traylor dead in an apartment in Puerto Rico and Dirk top 5 players in the NBA.

So I do appreciate these stats however just feel that they are not the end all be all.

[MUBurrow]

oh yeah!?!? well whatsamatta boface!?!

[esotericmindguy]

I am sure Tractor Traylor's numbers were much higher than Dirk's at the point they were drafted. Now Traylor dead in an apartment in Puerto Rico and Dirk top 5 players in the NBA.

Nice....jackwagon.

They're stats, and you are a moron.l

[Skatastrophy]

Is this your son Skat?

If it was I'd stop paying child support.

[Bertface]

How am I a moron? Do you think Buzz recruits on stats alone? Or are the the All-NBA teams based on stats alone?

[MerrittsMustache]

How am I a moron? Do you think Buzz recruits on stats alone? Or are the the All-NBA teams based on stats alone?

Stat geeks get very upset when people discount their fancy equations.

[esotericmindguy]

How am I a moron? Do you think Buzz recruits on stats alone? Or are the the All-NBA teams based on stats alone?

Not entirely, but all NBA teams and MVP awards are largely based on stats. And my Guess is Buzz isn't flying to Houston to watch some dude who averages 9 PPG.

As for the moron part, that was directed towards you comment on Tractor Taylor....a 34 year old dies of a heart attack and you take cheap shots.

[Ari Gold]

Davante is pretty proud of himself
http://twitter.com/#!/DGardner_54/status/68690773956235264
just found out I was ranked 403 in the NCAA out of 2500 players....this season coming is going to be crazy haha got something up my sleeve

[brewcity77]

How am I a moron? Do you think Buzz recruits on stats alone? Or are the the All-NBA teams based on stats alone?

I'll take a crack at this one. How are you a moron. Well, first, I believe that it's fairly common knowledge that not all things are for all people. Some sports fans like basketball, some football, some even like soccer. Does that make Europeans morons, because they like soccer? What about food? Is the person whose favorite food is hamburger smarter or dumber than a person who loves pizza? Is it better to like coffee than tea?

You are coming into a thread and attacking the OP (who's probably the smartest stat analyst on this site) for putting effort into something he's passionate about. You may not care about it, and aren't obligated to, but the idea that you would belittle his work and troll throughout the thread, especially while seemingly dissing a dead guy, is simply uncalled for, pointless, and more than a bit moronic.

As far as Traylor and Nowitzki, ugh...could anything be less timely? Talk about completely tasteless. But in terms of quantitative stats, they were apples and oranges. Traylor was a dominant college player while Nowitzki was racking his numbers up overseas. Both were considered lottery picks. Some lottery picks prove worth the pick, like Nowitzki, and some aren't, like Traylor. But were Traylor's numbers in college definitively better than Nowitzki's? Traylor's last year at UM he put up 16.2 ppg and 10.1 rpg. Pretty darn impressive. Meanwhile, Nowitzki was putting up 28.2 ppg for DJK Wurzberg in Germany. I couldn't find rebounding numbers, but he did put up 33 points and 14 rebounds in a victory at the Nike Hoop Summit where an International team defeated a heavily favored team of American collegiate all-stars. In terms of sheer numbers, there seems to be little doubt that Nowitzki's were much better, but against a different level of competition. Again, apples and oranges, but trying to make this comparison is moronic.

And while Buzz doesn't recruit on stats alone, I can assure you that stats will gain a coach's attention. As he doesn't have time to scout every single high school player in the country, he has to pick and choose which players he shows interest in, and stats will help garner that interest. And while All-NBA teams may not be picked on stats alone, I would say that stats are probably 95% of the determining factors. What, did you think LeBron and Wade routinely make those teams because of their good looks? Asserting that any other factor is more important is moronic.

So suffice to say, there are many reasons you are coming across like a moron. Attacking bama, the Traylor reference, and the ignorance of the importance of stats in basketball all contribute heavily.

Hope that helps

[Bertface]

Understood, the Tractor remark was a low blow but it was the first thing that came to mind and I apologize to anyone who was offended or has been affected personally or within their family by a heart attack, I have had close friends experience this and know the pain that comes with it for everyone.

I didn't belittle anyones work I said it was a waste of time that could have been cut off say 100 or maybe 150 players.

I feel these ranking will change every day and by including all these players it takes away from the credibility of the rankings.

[Ari Gold]

Everything brewcity said plus this:

or maybe

Don't tell me what to do.

Ska posted at 6:53 am
You responded with that at 12:57 pm
In 6 hours and 4 minutes. you came up with "Don't tell me what to do."  6 hours and that was your best quip? As you hit the "Post" button, were you smiling from ear to ear thinking "That'll show him"?

[Bertface]

great math skills and I had no time to get to the Internet until then so I will make sure to be on top of my muscoop.com surfing while I am taking part in a thread.

[brewcity77]

Understood, the Tractor remark was a low blow but it was the first thing that came to mind and I apologize to anyone who was offended or has been affected personally or within their family by a heart attack, I have had close friends experience this and know the pain that comes with it for everyone.

I didn't belittle anyones work I said it was a waste of time that could have been cut off say 100 or maybe 150 players.

I feel these ranking will change every day and by including all these players it takes away from the credibility of the rankings.

The rankings were explained in another thread/CS post that is still on the front page. The rankings won't change every day because they are based on the returning players from the 2010-11 season. Unless someone manages to prove that all of the stats collected from that season were inaccurate, there is absolutely no way these stats will change before the season starts. It's simply not possible.

And cutting it off at the top 150 would really limit what you would see in the totality of the article (found on CS.com). That wouldn't even include one player per team in all of D1.

Again, if you don't like it, or if you don't have the time to read it, then don't bother. But calling an extraordinary amount of work that appeals greatly to stats aficionados a "waste of time" only shows a difference of opinion, and certainly there isn't any need to spend post after post trying to defend your misguided attack on it. Easier to apologize and move on, but then again, who ever does that on the Internet?

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Everything brewcity said plus this:
Ska posted at 6:53 am
You responded with that at 12:57 pm
In 6 hours and 4 minutes. you came up with "Don't tell me what to do."  6 hours and that was your best quip? As you hit the "Post" button, were you smiling from ear to ear thinking "That'll show him"?

The correct term is "that'll learn him."

[Ari Gold]

great math skills and I had no time to get to the Internet until then so I will make sure to be on top of my muscoop.com surfing while I am taking part in a thread.

I think you're already doing that seeing as how the time it takes  between 10 and 45 minutes you to respond to criticism with increasingly witty responses

[Skitch]

I didn't belittle anyones work I said it was a waste of time

How is calling his work unnecessary NOT belittling it?

[Golden Avalanche]

If you don't understand or appreciate statistics then maybe you should stay away from the heavy statistical analysis threads.

Can't blame him.

If Singleton, who didn't play a second, is a better player then nearly 1,000 others who return the relevance is clearly in the eye of the beholder.

[brewcity77]

Can't blame him.

If Singleton, who didn't play a second, is a better player then nearly 1,000 others who return the relevance is clearly in the eye of the beholder.

Why's that? If there is an average of 12 players, including scholarship and walk-on players, on a D1 team, there will be over 4,000 players in D1 next season, and that's probably a low estimate. Of those, less than 900 would be BCS, or "high-major" players. You don't think it's possible that the bottom of most BCS rosters feature players that are equal to the middle level of the mid-major rosters? That's about what it would take for him to be ranked where he is if you account for his growth and other players' matriculation.

Bama's premise is that Singleton would add value to a low-level D1 team approximately equal to what Jared Berggren adds to Wisconsin. Doesn't seem like an unreasonable assessment.

[Skatastrophy]

Can't blame him.

or maybe...

don't tell me what do to! ;p