Quick question about Robert Jackson

[GGGG]

I can't find mention of it in the MUScoop Wiki...but did Mike Deane actively recruit Robert Jackson out of high school?

[augoman]

I understand that MU was after Robert, but he chose to go south.

[BCHoopster]

Jackson got a nice pay day to go South.  Do any of you wonder when kids go to like
Oregon, Miss. St., or obscure places that something isn't fishy?  Even UConn getting the
Houston kids?  We know that even Calhoun, maybe not Calhoun for say, but his people?
Calipari getting 4 HS All-Americans, and coaches before him could not?  Bruce Pearl should
right a book since it will be awhile before somebody gives him a job?  He is listed nowhere
right now, I am not sure even the TV people want him next year?  MU got 3 kids from Texas
that where not highly rated, that can happen, but lets see if Buzz can recruit a 4 or 5 star
recruit from that area?  I say it is really hard, to hard.

[Norm]

Jackson got a nice pay day to go South.  Do any of you wonder when kids go to like
Oregon, Miss. St., or obscure places that something isn't fishy?  Even UConn getting the
Houston kids?  We know that even Calhoun, maybe not Calhoun for say, but his people?
Calipari getting 4 HS All-Americans, and coaches before him could not?  Bruce Pearl should
right a book since it will be awhile before somebody gives him a job?  He is listed nowhere
right now, I am not sure even the TV people want him next year?  MU got 3 kids from Texas
that where not highly rated, that can happen, but lets see if Buzz can recruit a 4 or 5 star
recruit from that area?  I say it is really hard, to hard.

Got proof on that claim BCHoopster? Doubt it, but anonymous message boards allow you to spread rumors quite easily.

[77ncaachamps]

That's right, Norm. You tell him!

[BCHoopster]

Got proof on that claim BCHoopster? Doubt it, but anonymous message boards allow you to spread rumors quite easily.

Calipari and Calhoun have have been caught cheating or did I miss something?  You think Lew Alcindor and the good
years with Sam Gilbert or maybe even Herb Kohl for Al McGuire, if you think a bartender from New York was not a little
shady, if you think that it did not happen then you are dreaming.  Rumors like this happen, ask Kentucky with the money
in the fed x package for Mills.  Calipari has a bagman, and that is from a very reliable source.  I do not know anything about
Oregon, but come on, Nike, you think they do not throw around a little money.  3  or 4 kids from Chi go there, do you think
they had Oregon on there mind when they were juniors?  Rumors, maybe Auburn is clean in football or Ohio St.

[Pakuni]

Jackson got a nice pay day to go South.  Do any of you wonder when kids go to like
Oregon, Miss. St., or obscure places that something isn't fishy?  Even UConn getting the
Houston kids?  We know that even Calhoun, maybe not Calhoun for say, but his people?
Calipari getting 4 HS All-Americans, and coaches before him could not?  Bruce Pearl should
right a book since it will be awhile before somebody gives him a job?  He is listed nowhere
right now, I am not sure even the TV people want him next year?  MU got 3 kids from Texas
that where not highly rated, that can happen, but lets see if Buzz can recruit a 4 or 5 star
recruit from that area?  I say it is really hard, to hard.

Erik Williams and Junior Cadougan were four-star players out of Texas.
Jamal Jones was a four-star player out of Georgia (by way of Florida).

As to Sultan's original question, my best recollection - and someone can correct me if I'm wrong - is that Mike Deane recruited Jackson, but more or less halfheartedly because he was gun shy/uninterested when it came to taking on kids with potential attitude or academic issues. That became especially true after one of the risks he did take, Alton Mason, blew up on him.

[whodem]

Jackson got a nice pay day to go South.  Do any of you wonder when kids go to like
Oregon, Miss. St., or obscure places that something isn't fishy?  Even UConn getting the
Houston kids?  We know that even Calhoun, maybe not Calhoun for say, but his people?
Calipari getting 4 HS All-Americans, and coaches before him could not?  Bruce Pearl should
right a book since it will be awhile before somebody gives him a job?  He is listed nowhere
right now, I am not sure even the TV people want him next year?  MU got 3 kids from Texas
that where not highly rated, that can happen, but lets see if Buzz can recruit a 4 or 5 star
recruit from that area?  I say it is really hard, to hard.

It isn't Jim's people that do it, he's the one making the "transactions"

[Norm]

BC, I'm talking about your claim about Robert Jackson getting paid to go to Mississippi State. Where's you proof for that one?

[reinko]

Somebody has been watching too much

[HouWarrior]

Jackson got a nice pay day to go South.  Do any of you wonder when kids go to like
Oregon, Miss. St., or obscure places that something isn't fishy?  Even UConn getting the
Houston kids?  We know that even Calhoun, maybe not Calhoun for say, but his people?
Calipari getting 4 HS All-Americans, and coaches before him could not?  Bruce Pearl should
right a book since it will be awhile before somebody gives him a job?  He is listed nowhere
right now, I am not sure even the TV people want him next year?  MU got 3 kids from Texas
that where not highly rated, that can happen, but lets see if Buzz can recruit a 4 or 5 star
recruit from that area?  I say it is really hard, to hard.

Congrats --without any factual support, you have at least 4 people you libel.
I live in Houston, and I've met the Okafor family. How dare you libel, and accuse wrongdoing against those you've never met, and why are  you lacking of will to also state the actual facts, upon which you base the negative assumption.
By the way, Oregon, and Mississippi St, arent obscure places, except to you.. Each are actual states in the USA, the schools are larger than MU, and with larger sports budgets.
There is reason for concern-- but it goes way to far to presume a top recruit going across country for a far off school must be a dirty, cheating deal. Not every kid wants to stay closer to home...some actually seek to adventure far away, ....specifically so they dont grow up small minded to think of any place in our country as "obscure"  .

[MerrittsMustache]

Calipari and Calhoun have have been caught cheating or did I miss something?  You think Lew Alcindor and the good
years with Sam Gilbert or maybe even Herb Kohl for Al McGuire, if you think a bartender from New York was not a little
shady, if you think that it did not happen then you are dreaming.  Rumors like this happen, ask Kentucky with the money
in the fed x package for Mills.  Calipari has a bagman, and that is from a very reliable source.  I do not know anything about
Oregon, but come on, Nike, you think they do not throw around a little money.  3  or 4 kids from Chi go there, do you think
they had Oregon on there mind when they were juniors?  Rumors, maybe Auburn is clean in football or Ohio St.

Ernie Kent grew up is Rockford, IL and played basketball at Oregon. Do you think that might have had something to do with his ability to bring in recruits from the Chicago area?

[GGGG]

I do not know anything about Oregon, but come on, Nike, you think they do not throw around a little money.  3  or 4 kids from Chi go there, do you think they had Oregon on there mind when they were juniors? 

Do you think they paid that one kid from Racine to go to Oregon too?  What ever happened to him??

[BCHoopster]

Congrats --without any factual support, you have at least 4 people you libel.
I live in Houston, and I've met the Okafor family. How dare you libel, and accuse wrongdoing against those you've never met, and why are  you lacking of will to also state the actual facts, upon which you base the negative assumption.
By the way, Oregon, and Mississippi St, arent obscure places, except to you.. Each are actual states in the USA, the schools are larger than MU, and with larger sports budgets.
There is reason for concern-- but it goes way to far to presume a top recruit going across country for a far off school must be a dirty, cheating deal. Not every kid wants to stay closer to home...some actually seek to adventure far away, ....specifically so they dont grow up small minded to think of any place in our country as "obscure"  .

Do you really think Calhoun is totally clean?  If so, I will retrack my statement.  Isn't he suspended for two games next year?

[6746jonesr]

Calipari and Calhoun have have been caught cheating or did I miss something?  You think Lew Alcindor and the good
years with Sam Gilbert or maybe even Herb Kohl for Al McGuire, if you think a bartender from New York was not a little
shady, if you think that it did not happen then you are dreaming.  Rumors like this happen, ask Kentucky with the money
in the fed x package for Mills.  Calipari has a bagman, and that is from a very reliable source.  I do not know anything about
Oregon, but come on, Nike, you think they do not throw around a little money.  3  or 4 kids from Chi go there, do you think
they had Oregon on there mind when they were juniors?  Rumors, maybe Auburn is clean in football or Ohio St.

Uh, Herb Kohl is a Badger Booster, so wonder why you connect him here to Al?

[GGGG]

Do you really think Calhoun is totally clean?  If so, I will retrack my statement.  Isn't he suspended for two games next year?

I don't think any coach is "totally clean."  However there is a long way between "totally clean" and giving kids a "nice payday" to attend their institution.

[BCHoopster]

Uh, Herb Kohl is a Badger Booster, so wonder why you connect him here to Al?

Herb went to Wisconsin but no one who knew Al did not know that Herb and Al where
very good friends during that period.  Herb was in Als inner circle of friends.  Herb sort
of likes basketball.

[HouWarrior]

Herb went to Wisconsin but no one who knew Al did not know that Herb and Al where
very good friends during that period.  Herb was in Als inner circle of friends.  Herb sort
of likes basketball.

This one confirms my suspicions, and establishes the groundlessness of your claims, and your utter ignorance and lack of personal knowledge. You've shot way too high and missed, and you should note that on this you are implicating a  sitting member of congress--very serious stuff.
How McGuire went about recruiting, and succeeding with recruiting kids from NY and Chicago, had absolutely nothing to do with Herb Kohl. Please cease the athletic McCarthyism, assuming you're aware of the evils of internet publication of guilt by association...without personal knowledge and facts its actionable, as libel. I invite your retraction, or for Kohl to read this, and to pursue this.

[texaswarrior74]

Calipari utilizes World Wide Wes in every way possible....he's practically an employee....he was seen at Final Four practice sporting a UK sweatshirt.

WWW also creates "situations" where big name rappers and NBA guys that are part of his stable "just happen" to be in places where UK recruits might be, then continues these "meetings" once they are part of the UK team. He's created a certain culture that surrounds the entire UK program...kids without strong parental involvement in the process fall for it hook, line and sinker. Then there are the parents with their hands out....and the guys who call themselves "trainers"...who direct kids to specific programs.

Much of the AAU circuit is a cesspool and there are only a few big name coaches who refuse to have anything to so with kids who have "handlers" like John Wall did.

Sadly, it's also starting to creep into college football...the "trainer" from Texas that is being investigated right now regarding Oregon and other programs and there's also a guy in NC who was involved with four 4 and 5 star kids from same area who ended up at Cal last year.....then the guy moves from rural western NC to Northern Cali ....??

[GGGG]

I'll be honest with you texaswarrior...not of that stuff really bothers me all that much.  Let's face it, if it weren't for the fact that they play basketball, a number of our current players wouldn't be admitted to Marquette.  It's all just different shades of gray...some are willing to sell out more than others, but everyone in Division 1 sells out to a degree.

[BCHoopster]

I'll be honest with you texaswarrior...not of that stuff really bothers me all that much.  Let's face it, if it weren't for the fact that they play basketball, a number of our current players wouldn't be admitted to Marquette.  It's all just different shades of gray...some are willing to sell out more than others, but everyone in Division 1 sells out to a degree.

I agree totally, it is what it is.  There are many grey areas in recruiting, now did Tom Crean just get 4 HS All-Americans out of Indiana.
There is always a question mark. 

[reinko]

Calipari utilizes World Wide Wes in every way possible....he's practically an employee....he was seen at Final Four practice sporting a UK sweatshirt.

WWW also creates "situations" where big name rappers and NBA guys that are part of his stable "just happen" to be in places where UK recruits might be, then continues these "meetings" once they are part of the UK team. He's created a certain culture that surrounds the entire UK program...kids without strong parental involvement in the process fall for it hook, line and sinker. Then there are the parents with their hands out....and the guys who call themselves "trainers"...who direct kids to specific programs.

Much of the AAU circuit is a cesspool and there are only a few big name coaches who refuse to have anything to so with kids who have "handlers" like John Wall did.

Sadly, it's also starting to creep into college football...the "trainer" from Texas that is being investigated right now regarding Oregon and other programs and there's also a guy in NC who was involved with four 4 and 5 star kids from same area who ended up at Cal last year.....then the guy moves from rural western NC to Northern Cali ....??

A UK sweatshirt?  Heavens no.  Kids with no fathers who grew borderline homeless, turning to someone who may put them in (legal) situations, and get them connected (legally and within rules) to help them and their families rich beyond their dreams, playing a game they love and invested tens of thousands of hours in.  Heavens no.

[BCHoopster]

This one confirms my suspicions, and establishes the groundlessness of your claims, and your utter ignorance and lack of personal knowledge. You've shot way too high and missed, and you should note that on this you are implicating a  sitting member of congress--very serious stuff.
How McGuire went about recruiting, and succeeding with recruiting kids from NY and Chicago, had absolutely nothing to do with Herb Kohl. Please cease the athletic McCarthyism, assuming you're aware of the evils of internet publication of guilt by association...without personal knowledge and facts its actionable, as libel. I invite your retraction, or for Kohl to read this, and to pursue this.

Maybe I am right, Maybe I am wrong during that period, lack of knowledge, no, I have knowledge, alumni and good
friends can be friends of the program.  I will say this about one recruit, Sam Bowie.  MU did not get him, he visited
2 schools, the other Kentucky.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

http://www.tompenders.com/deadcoachwalking.html

Well if you want to hear some inside college basketball stuff you can read about from a former college coach, Tom Penders in his new book.

[reinko]

Maybe I am right, Maybe I am wrong during that period, lack of knowledge, no, I have knowledge, alumni and good
friends can be friends of the program.  I will say this about one recruit, Sam Bowie.  MU did not get him, he visited
2 schools, the other Kentucky.

What does this even mean.  Take a little extra meth this AM?