[Rosiak's Blog] Nothing yet on Buzz

[Goose]

MuMac--I agree on jumping to conclusions. Way too early and not enough facts known. While the rumors have me nervous I am assuming innocent.

[Clam Crowder]

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/118783474.html

The end of this article makes it seem like the police arent even the ones that made this public...either heavy student involvement with the news or someone within the school?

[MUMac]

Wow, the MU admin. conducted an investigation and did not inform the Milwaukee police department after sexual assault was alleged?  Does MU have their own detectives?   Or did we send Phil from Human Resources out there?


Is this not what we were drilling Notre Dame for doing?

It said she declined to talk to police.

[Blackhat]

You would think the MU administration would want to report it to the police regardless.  If I've got a girl coming to me telling me she was sexually assaulted am I going to go conduct an investigation myself?  No, because I'm not qualified to conduct an adequate sexual assault investigation.  Plus,  MU has got a big dog in this fight as far as PR goes....no wonder the girl felt they were covering up for the athletes.    Kinda shady, MU should have tried to get an impartial party involved, feel bad for this girl.

[Pakuni]

None of know what happened here, and chances are none of us ever will.
But the fact nothing has happened six months after the claims first surfaced is a fairly strong indicator that nothing will happen. Cases of this nature rarely take this long to investigate, even when physical evidence is involved, and when they do it's because the evidence is so weak, murky or simply non-existent. Remember, it's rare, especially in these kids of cases, that someone gets publicly cleared  by police or prosecutors. We're simply told there wasn't enough evidence to pursue charges.

Also, the terms sexual assault and rape get tossed around fairly loosely these days. Those words have very specific legal definitions, yet in non-legal circles they're used to describe a whole range of actions that nobody would consider rape. The Notre Dame situation is a good example. While I don't condone a guy who gropes a woman's chest when she doesn't want him to, neither would I call him a rapist or describe his actions as a sexual assault.

[MUMac]

MuMac--I agree on jumping to conclusions. Way too early and not enough facts known. While the rumors have me nervous I am assuming innocent.

Agreed.  I have heard one version of the story.  But as I always know, there are two sides to the story.  Even if nothing comes of it, the damage can occur just by there being a story.  

Hopefully nothing did occur.  If it did, hopefully justice is served - whatever that may be.

[MUMac]

You would think the MU administration would want to report it to the police regardless.  If I've got a girl coming to me telling me she was sexually assaulted am I going to go conduct an investigation myself?  No, because I'm not qualified to conduct an adequate sexual assault investigation.  Plus,  MU has got a big dog in this fight as far as PR goes....no wonder the girl felt they were covering up for the athletes.    Kinda shady, MU should have tried to get an impartial party involved, feel bad for this girl it's been drug out a long time.

What would MU go to the police with?  She did not want police intervention.  Unfortunately, she is the one to decide that.  Odd that it took this long for her to go to the police.  Don't know if MU did anything shady or not - I would ask some of the attornies for input on that subject.

Now, if MU had evidence of a crime - then I agree.  Right now, though, none of us know the facts.  Was it a "he said, she said" and she will not cooperate with the police?  Was there some evidence.  The first would make it difficult for MU to go to the police.

I suggest, again, we wait for this to play out before castigating any party.  There will be time for that - but right now is not that time.

[Goose]

MuMac---Nice to see a voice of reason out there.

[brewcity77]

You would think the MU administration would want to report it to the police regardless.  If I've got a girl coming to me telling me she was sexually assaulted am I going to go conduct an investigation myself?  No, because I'm not qualified to conduct an adequate sexual assault investigation.  Plus,  MU has got a big dog in this fight as far as PR goes....no wonder the girl felt they were covering up for the athletes.    Kinda shady, MU should have tried to get an impartial party involved, feel bad for this girl.

It's a really, really tough situation. Just as an example, I had one call we went on where the patient had bruises from a fall on the ice. At least that's what we were told. The patient insisted over and over that she simply fell, she was clumsy, all of which may have been masking abuse from a boyfriend or something like that. The problem is when you don't KNOW for certain. Could she have fallen like she said? Sure. Were the bruise patterns suspicious? Yes. But as firefighters, we aren't there to investigate, we are there to treat and transport to the hospital. If it's obvious, or especially if it's a kid, we will get involved. But if it's an adult, they have to make the decision to report it to police on their own, especially if no one can verify that a crime was committed.

It's really easy to be on our end and look at it through a computer monitor and decide that Marquette should have went to police. But what if nothing did happen? What if the allegations are false, or if the girl at the time didn't even stick to her story? Also bear in mind the difference between sexual harassament and sexual assault. We're talking about what could be as innocous as flirting versus something as serious as rape. The general police mindset when they are called in is that there is a crime. I'm not saying who was right or wrong, but the girl has to make the decision herself.

[National Champs]

Not to personally attack the character of the accuser, but I have known about this since November and I will tell you why it rubs me the wrong way(perhaps not the best choice of words).

This was brought to my attention when she told one of my good friends who is a co-worker of hers about the incident. She stated that she was not going to pursue anything until after the basketball season because she didn't want to ruin it. If this girl was really bothered by the incident shouldn't she have tried to get justice when it happened? My friend also noted that she told him about it in a very casual way. It just doesn't seem like she was too bothered by the ordeal.

My theory is that she is a jersey chaser much like the others that pour in and out of Humphrey every weekend and after doing something that she regretted when she was under the influence of alcohol she decided that it was against her will.

Don't get me wrong, if in fact it was a case of harassment I want to see justice just as much as the next person. Unfortunately, from what I know about the situation it seems a little fishy.

[Blackhat]

 that's some dedication to the program if true, would lead you to think she didn't want to have to take it to the police.


But if 4 dudes were involved, I doubt she wanted 4 dudes no matter how drunk.  

[Tom Crean's Tanning Bed]

Not to personally attack the character of the accuser, but I have known about this since November and I will tell you why it rubs me the wrong way(perhaps not the best choice of words).

This was brought to my attention when she told one of my good friends who is a co-worker of hers about the incident. She stated that she was not going to pursue anything until after the basketball season because she didn't want to ruin it. If this girl was really bothered by the incident shouldn't she have tried to get justice when it happened? My friend also noted that she told him about it in a very casual way. It just doesn't seem like she was too bothered by the ordeal.

My theory is that she is a jersey chaser much like the others that pour in and out of Humphrey every weekend and after doing something that she regretted when she was under the influence of alcohol she decided that it was against her will.

Don't get me wrong, if in fact it was a case of harassment I want to see justice just as much as the next person. Unfortunately, from what I know about the situation it seems a little fishy.

With no inside information myself, this does not sound any more unusual a story than anything that happens inside Humphrey Hall (or other dorms) on a given weekend.  

While none of them escalated into a legal case like this, I was more than aware during my 4 years at MU of certain females on campus (including acquaintances of mine) that had encounters with members of the basketball program in Humphrey or in their dorm.

I don't want to impugn the victim any further, but stuff like this happens a lot, but it doesn't necessarily rise to the level of a crime, rightly or wrongly.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

There isn't four guys involved.

there isn't really even one or two, but four is totally wrong.

[Clam Crowder]

Elaborate Ziggy?

[National Champs]

Ziggy were you the victim of a sex crime by 4 female players?

[jeffreyweee]

Can anyone PM me a short version and who is supposedly involved? These articles are really vague

[Tom Crean's Tanning Bed]

Ziggy were you the victim of a sex crime by 4 female players?

And post of the night.

[TheGym]

As Buzz says "Character Revealed" with this situation.

[MUMac]

Ziggy were you the victim of a sex crime by 4 female players?

I know ziggy.  He looks like 4 female players. 

[Avenue Commons]

If one of the current students would pull out their handbook and post the MU definition of harassment, some clarity might be provided.

The University has been aware of this situation and addressed it in a manner consistent with how it would handle this situation if it were any of its students, from what I've been told.

[Pakuni]

If one of the current students would pull out their handbook and post the MU definition of harassment, some clarity might be provided.

The University has been aware of this situation and addressed it in a manner consistent with how it would handle this situation if it were any of its students, from what I've been told.

http://www.marquette.edu/osd/policies/harassment.shtml

Sexual harassment is defined, within the workplace for employees and/or within the academic and/or residential experience for students, as any unwelcome sexual advances, demands, requests for sexual favors, innuendoes or any other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature when:

1. Submission to such conduct is made either explicitly or implicitly a term or condition of an individual's employment or educational experience;

2. Submission to or rejection of such conduct by an individual is used as the basis for employment or educational decisions affecting such individual;

3. Such conduct is sufficiently severe and pervasive so as to alter the conditions of, or have the purpose or effect of substantially interfering with, an individual's work or academic performance by creating an intimidating, hostile or offensive working or educational environment.

Harassment does not include verbal expressions or written material that is relevant and appropriately related to course subject matter or curriculum, and this policy shall not abridge academic freedom. Bona fide consensual relationships likewise shall not be considered harassment under the intent of this policy.

[Ellenson Guerrero]

None of know what happened here, and chances are none of us ever will.
But the fact nothing has happened six months after the claims first surfaced is a fairly strong indicator that nothing will happen. Cases of this nature rarely take this long to investigate, even when physical evidence is involved, and when they do it's because the evidence is so weak, murky or simply non-existent. Remember, it's rare, especially in these kids of cases, that someone gets publicly cleared  by police or prosecutors. We're simply told there wasn't enough evidence to pursue charges.

Also, the terms sexual assault and rape get tossed around fairly loosely these days. Those words have very specific legal definitions, yet in non-legal circles they're used to describe a whole range of actions that nobody would consider rape. The Notre Dame situation is a good example. W]hile I don't condone a guy who gropes a woman's chest when she doesn't want him to, neither would I call him a rapist or describe his actions as a sexual assault.

You wouldn't call grabbing someone's breasts a sexual assault? Isn't that pretty much the definition of sexual assault? I would watch yourself, you might be surprised by other people's crazy definitions of crimes.

[Pakuni]

You wouldn't call grabbing someone's breasts a sexual assault? Isn't that pretty much the definition of sexual assault? I would watch yourself, you might be surprised by other people's crazy definitions of crimes.

No, that doesn't meet the legal definition of sexual assault, at least not in any of the states in which I've worked around the criminal justice system. Of course, with 50 states there are bound to be variations, but generally speaking there are certain requirements that aren't met by touching someone's breasts.

[Blackhat]

nm

[ChicosBailBonds]

There isn't four guys involved.

there isn't really even one or two, but four is totally wrong.

Looks like every news source in Milwaukee will have to restate then.  All say 4

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