The Stupidity On This Board Is Amazing

[ChicosBailBonds]

Wow. The guy who was apoplectic and went ballistic accusing others of calling him a racist (when they did no such thing) flat out calls someone else one. This should be good.

Yes they did...in fact several of the posts were deleted and edited as a result.  Unfortunately not all were.

Secondly, sorry if you didn't get my sarcasm...I'll put it bright teal for you.

[Lennys Tap]

Yes they did...in fact several of the posts were deleted and edited as a result.  Unfortunately not all were.

Secondly, sorry if you didn't get my sarcasm...I'll put it bright teal for you.

Love your edit, but no teal and it was at the tail end of your original post. A guy with your lack of athletic ability should be careful when backpeddling. You're liable to trip over yourself.

[NersEllenson]

I actually love MU more than I love MU baskets. This is a business and it has to perform at high level every year. We gave the keys to an unproven coach and we cannot allow it to slip away. The BOT and AD are not basketball people and believe that because we want to be good/great it will automatically happen. Our leash has to be shorter than UW leash because we have no football backup.

Goose - Please just tell us what established, high major coach, you felt would leave his position to come coach MU?  We struck out on the best "high major/mid-major" coaches when Crean left:  Tony Bennett, Anthony Grant, Keno Davis, Sean Miller.

You realize after the coaching change/Big 3 left - the program basically had Lazar, Mo Acker and David Cubillan on the roster (and Pat Hazel).  That is 4 players out of a possible 13.  For Buzz to reload and have us NOT miss a beat (largely) and most likely get us in the NCAA tourney speaks VOLUMES to the job he's done.  He's not perfect as a coach, but Jesus, the guy is just in his 3rd year, and has brought some pretty darn good talent to MU - which is a hard school to recruit to (like it or not).  Why do you think Tom Crean and Kevin O'Neill left???????

[TJ]

Goose - Please just tell us what established, high major coach, you felt would leave his position to come coach MU?  We struck out on the best "high major/mid-major" coaches when Crean left:  Tony Bennett, Anthony Grant, Keno Davis, Sean Miller.

Listen, I don't want Buzz gone, and I'm relatively happy with the hire at this point.  But we struck out on 3-4 names and hurried to hire an unproven assistant after like 3 days.  You have no idea whether any other established coach would have been willing to come to Marquette or not.

[Goose]

Ners--Same thing over and over, how hard it is to recruit here. On earlier post I asked how did Bob Huggins recruit studs at KState? I am not on selection committee but if I were I would have solicited input from someone other than the guy running out the door. You and I disagree on one big issue, money talks. There are not ten guys that are untouchable. Rick Pitino being at Louisville says it all to me. To win NCAA with KU and then coach at Louisville proves to me they all are in for the money.

We spend the money like the big boys, unfortunately we are happy hitting singles and doubles. We should spend in relation to expectations. What do we need The Al for? In addition, do you really KO would have left if we were getting TC money?

[Jam Chowder]

Use the ignore button

Unfortunately, the ignore button doesn't prevent said posters from derailing threads, stifling valuable discussion, spamming the board with vindictive/snarky personal attacks, etc.

[MerrittsMustache]

Again, seriously.  I'm sorry Another84, but to get to the top of the mountain you have to aspire to be the best, not compare yourselves to #$#&ing DePaul.  I really don't get your rationale on this stuff at all.

Yes,  fortunately, we're doing wonderful against DePaul....except for last year head to head.    

Do you want to be the best team in the state of Wisconsin or not?

I want Marquette to be the best team in the Big East. That matters infinitely more to me than beating Wisconsin. Based on a lot of the feedback you seem to be getting, I don't think I'm alone on that.

[Goose]

Being the best team in BE would be nice. I do believe there is significance in being best team in the state. It might not being mandatory to be best in BE, but my gut says we need to rule the state to rule BE.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I want Marquette to be the best team in the Big East. That matters infinitely more to me than beating Wisconsin. Based on a lot of the feedback you seem to be getting, I don't think I'm alone on that.

I want to be the best team in the Big East as well....one would think that accomplishing that would easily translate into being the best team in the state and likely in the country...the best team in the Big East is traditionally a top 5 team in the country.

So, since we're anywhere from 9th to 11th in the Big East this year, I'm looking to accomplish some goals in baby steps.  First, be the best team in Milwaukee.  Then, best team in Wisconsin.  Then, best team in the conference...they tend to take care of themselves at that point.

By the way, ask me this same question in a week if we don't go to the NCAA Tournament (I think we will, but if we don't and UW goes far....see how everyone feels).

[mugrad2006]

I want to be the best team in the Big East as well....one would think that accomplishing that would easily translate into being the best team in the state and likely in the country...the best team in the Big East is traditionally a top 5 team in the country.

So, since we're anywhere from 9th to 11th in the Big East this year, I'm looking to accomplish some goals in baby steps.  First, be the best team in Milwaukee.  Then, best team in Wisconsin.  Then, best team in the conference...they tend to take care of themselves at that point.

By the way, ask me this same question in a week if we don't go to the NCAA Tournament (I think we will, but if we don't and UW goes far....see how everyone feels).

Well, we're already the best team in Milwaukee.  On a neutral court in Green Bay Wisconsin I'd say we're still pretty close to the best team in the state (let's say best 3 out of 5). 

Best in the Midwest, not a chance.  Best in the country, can't wait to see that happen.

[NersEllenson]

Listen, I don't want Buzz gone, and I'm relatively happy with the hire at this point.  But we struck out on 3-4 names and hurried to hire an unproven assistant after like 3 days.  You have no idea whether any other established coach would have been willing to come to Marquette or not.

I do have a very good idea that no established coach would have been willing to come to Marquette.  It's never happened in the past history of the program.  Furthermore, if 3 up and coming mid-major coaches such as Bennett, Grant and Sean Miller turn you down - why in the world would a Top 25 coach of another program come to MU??.  Shoot, last week Doug Gotleib flat out said MU is a good job, but ARAKANSAS would be a GREAT job in comparison.

[Goose]

Arkansas would be great job for Buzz. Easier conference, lesser academic standards and backyard recruiting. He would be a fool not to take that job. I believe TC was nuts for taking IU because of the pressure and think Buzz would be genius if he parlayed no job three years ago now to the Arkansas job.

[NersEllenson]

Ners--Same thing over and over, how hard it is to recruit here. On earlier post I asked how did Bob Huggins recruit studs at KState? I am not on selection committee but if I were I would have solicited input from someone other than the guy running out the door. You and I disagree on one big issue, money talks. There are not ten guys that are untouchable. Rick Pitino being at Louisville says it all to me. To win NCAA with KU and then coach at Louisville proves to me they all are in for the money.

We spend the money like the big boys, unfortunately we are happy hitting singles and doubles. We should spend in relation to expectations. What do we need The Al for? In addition, do you really KO would have left if we were getting TC money?

KO left because he felt he couldn't take it any higher at that time given conference association and facilities at that time.  That said, you really think KO would come back to MKE now just because we have the Al and Big East conference??

Why do you think Crean left??  Recruiting..period.  You have to work 2x as hard to get kids to MKE as you do IU or many other schools.  Huggins at K-State:  Why was Huggins banished to KState - due to all his transgressions.  Think MU would have touched him and his no graduation rate for a second?  Huggins could recruit to KState at very least due to his name and success at Cincy.  Pitino has a name that kids want to go play for.  Lville can sell out the 23k seat Yum Center.  MU..struggles to get 16k at most games.

[Goose]

Ners---You are right. I am an idiot. But I will say this idiot believes MU has a chance to be elite program. I will not make excuses time and time again. I would much rather be a frickin idiot than an excuse maker.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Well, we're already the best team in Milwaukee.  On a neutral court in Green Bay Wisconsin I'd say we're still pretty close to the best team in the state (let's say best 3 out of 5). 

Best in the Midwest, not a chance.  Best in the country, can't wait to see that happen.

Agree on Milwaukee, though the douchebags at UWM will say differently if they get into the NCAAs and we don't.

I disagree with you that 60% (3 of 5) we are the best team in the state.  I just don't see by what measurement you get there if we can't even beat them on our OWN court, let alone a neutral court....makes no sense.

I'm a rivalry type of person...I enjoy them immensely.  Purdue-IU, UCLA-USC, MU-UW, etc, etc.  I just don't get the attitudes of some here that want to run away from the comparison.  It's like they are fearful of it.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Ners---You are right. I am an idiot. But I will say this idiot believes MU has a chance to be elite program. I will not make excuses time and time again. I would much rather be a frickin idiot than an excuse maker.

What's weird is so did Ners...at least only a few months ago.  Predicting multiple Final Fours and such.  I don't know why he's cooled on Buzz so much.

[TJ]

I do have a very good idea that no established coach would have been willing to come to Marquette.  It's never happened in the past history of the program.  Furthermore, if 3 up and coming mid-major coaches such as Bennett, Grant and Sean Miller turn you down - why in the world would a Top 25 coach of another program come to MU??.  Shoot, last week Doug Gotleib flat out said MU is a good job, but ARAKANSAS would be a GREAT job in comparison.

So the 3 hottest names of the year turn us down and end up at Virginia, Alabama, and Arizona and you think there are no other options at all.

I agree that a Top 25 coach wasn't coming here, but that's just more of your hyperbole.  You can't know whether there were other good Mid-Major options that would have come because we didn't ask any of them.  Not that I necessarily want him, but if DePaul can lure Purnell from Clemson, I believe we could have managed to find somebody.

[Lennys Tap]

I'm a rivalry type of person...I enjoy them immensely.  Purdue-IU, UCLA-USC, MU-UW, etc, etc.  I just don't get the attitudes of some here that want to run away from the comparison.  It's like they are fearful of it.

You and other MU "fans" like nomorebuycks are certainly free to engage in your obsessions. You can troll the Wisconsin boards, start fights and get yourself banned. You can call people douches for the mere fact they went to a different school than you. And in the process you can embarrass yourselves and your fellow Marquette alums. But please don't confuse those who are not as obsessed as yourself with those who don't like a healthy rivalry. I despise the UW basketball team and want to beat them every bit as much as you. I just don't see the need to be a dick or a douche about it.  

[brewcity77]

Agree on Milwaukee, though the douchebags at UWM will say differently if they get into the NCAAs and we don't.

I disagree with you that 60% (3 of 5) we are the best team in the state.  I just don't see by what measurement you get there if we can't even beat them on our OWN court, let alone a neutral court....makes no sense.

Regardless of what UW-M does, we are the best team in Milwaukee. We beat them on their court and would do so on any court. If they get in, it will be as a 14 seed at best, more likely a 15 or 16.

And to be fair, he did say "pretty close" to the best team in the state. I think we're definitely better than UW-GB, and better than any DII or DIII schools. Wisconsin is better than we are, but still, being second is "pretty close" to being the best team in the state, sort of how at #2 Kansas is "pretty close" to being the #1 ranked team in the ESPN poll.

[ChicosBailBonds]

You and other MU "fans" like nomorebuycks are certainly free to engage in your obsessions.

Cool...here we go again. I'm not a fan according to you. I guess I need a new hobby, not sure why I'm spending so much time and money on MU.

[NersEllenson]

So the 3 hottest names of the year turn us down and end up at Virginia, Alabama, and Arizona and you think there are no other options at all.

I agree that a Top 25 coach wasn't coming here, but that's just more of your hyperbole.  You can't know whether there were other good Mid-Major options that would have come because we didn't ask any of them.  Not that I necessarily want him, but if DePaul can lure Purnell from Clemson, I believe we could have managed to find somebody.

But that's just it - would the "somebody" really be doing a better job than Buzz has??  I think it is highly unlikely.  What he's done with having only 5 scholarship players at MU after the Big 3 left and Mbawke and Christopherson chose to transfer...to me is pretty darn good.  Plus, I believe Buzz is about as good of recruiter as there is out there..and as he grows as a coach, and hopefully his MU teams have more success...the recruiting and caliber of players he's able to get to MU should just get better and better...which will eventually translate into what we all want - which is MU to be a Top 10 program.  I just don't think that can happen overnight, nor expect it to happen overnight.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Regardless of what UW-M does, we are the best team in Milwaukee. We beat them on their court and would do so on any court. If they get in, it will be as a 14 seed at best, more likely a 15 or 16.

And to be fair, he did say "pretty close" to the best team in the state. I think we're definitely better than UW-GB, and better than any DII or DIII schools. Wisconsin is better than we are, but still, being second is "pretty close" to being the best team in the state, sort of how at #2 Kansas is "pretty close" to being the #1 ranked team in the ESPN poll.

At least Kansas has best team in the state of Kansas locked down...and it's not pretty close regardless of what the goat herders in Manhattan, KS want to claim.   

[mugrad2006]

And to be fair, he did say "pretty close" to the best team in the state. I think we're definitely better than UW-GB, and better than any DII or DIII schools. Wisconsin is better than we are, but still, being second is "pretty close" to being the best team in the state, sort of how at #2 Kansas is "pretty close" to being the #1 ranked team in the ESPN poll.

I stand by my statement, even if others of you think it's slightly irrational.  I believe MU is a tough matchup for the Badgers, and on a neutral court we win 3 out of 5.  Now, I picked odd numbers on purpose and you could say we go 2 out of 5 (40% instead of 60%) but I did that knowingly for effect.

If MU plays to the level we've seen flashes of, they can take down anybody short of Kansas, tOSU, UNC, and Duke.  Those other four are a level above us yet short of an outlier night. 

[TJ]

But that's just it - would the "somebody" really be doing a better job than Buzz has??  I think it is highly unlikely. 

I don't know what would have happened either, but your willingness to write off this program astounds me.  We would have been fine I'm sure.  Either way, earlier you made it seem as if there was no coach that would possibly come here at all and the only options were Buzz or some other assistant.  There's no way we could know that, since they stopped trying after they went through the 3 hottest names in the game that year.

What he's done with having only 5 scholarship players at MU after the Big 3 left and Mbawke and Christopherson chose to transfer...to me is pretty darn good.  Plus, I believe Buzz is about as good of recruiter as there is out there..and as he grows as a coach, and hopefully his MU teams have more success...the recruiting and caliber of players he's able to get to MU should just get better and better...which will eventually translate into what we all want - which is MU to be a Top 10 program.  I just don't think that can happen overnight, nor expect it to happen overnight.

I hope you're right.

[NersEllenson]

I don't know what would have happened either, but your willingness to write off this program astounds me.  We would have been fine I'm sure.  Either way, earlier you made it seem as if there was no coach that would possibly come here at all and the only options were Buzz or some other assistant.  There's no way we could know that, since they stopped trying after they went through the 3 hottest names in the game that year.
I hope you're right.

TJ - I guess what I post gets misconstrued, as I really don't feel what I've written is writing the MU program off.  Is my view perhpas more pessimistic than is yours and others, as to where MU stands in the hierarchy of college basketball programs?  Probably.  I'd love for MU to be considered a destination job, but there is very little in our past history that suggests its ever been perceived as much more than a stepping stone job.  (Which annoys me..but just has been the reality.)

It does become a slippery slope with regard to interviewing a ton of candidates...but then coming back to a guy like Buzz - as it can create the perception you were a last resort candidate.  Considering the nature of hiring in CBB - with so much publicized...it is not like the work world where there is privacy within the interview process.