The Stupidity On This Board Is Amazing

[ChicosBailBonds]

Ding ding ding - a very average team at best since 2003...

and trending downward this year...

Disagree.  Two years ago that team was special, but the DJ injury was a killer.  The year prior when losing to Stanford was a fine team as well.  Both teams were in the top 5 in the Big East.  That's damn good.

Now, trending downward last year and this year...agree, but I wouldn't say that was the case in 2008 or 2009, far from it.

[mu_hilltopper]

A lot of people predicted 9-9 for this team.

Anyone find the thread with all the people thinking we'd go 9-9?  

This thread had 6 guesses for wins:
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=21542.0

Wins: 11,10,10,13,12,11

On CS, the pool was: 10, 11, 13, 10, 13, 12, 11, and one 9.

Bottom line .. unless I'm missing a thread, very few people picked 9-9 as a prediction for this year, which would indicate most thought the team under-achieved.

[Da 'Lanche]

I'm tired of the continued regression on this board to continually comparing every aspect of our program to UW.   They are two very different schools in very different conferences.    Buzz is in his 3rd year and to date I think he has exceeded expectations when he got the job.   This year has been disappointing in many respects but it may just be one of those years.  To think the program is "trending down" or "trending up" at this point in time is somewhat fruitless as the jury is still out.  Give him another year or two with his recruits (which I would say the recruitment is encouraging) and then the evaluation can be a little more valid and appropriate.

In the meantime, if I read another topic on "our neighbors to the west", I may vomit.   It is not out of envy, I respect their program....it is out of seeing the same tired agendas on an MU fan board.

[warriorfred]

1 prediction on this board for 9 wins?  The rest were higher?

If that is true, the honest person, myself included,would have say this season has been a disappointment.

[ChicosBailBonds]

In the meantime, if I read another topic on "our neighbors to the west", I may vomit.   It is not out of envy, I respect their program....it is out of seeing the same tired agendas on an MU fan board.

What agenda....don't you want to beat our rivals?  Don't you want to be better than our rivals?  My God, maybe I'm just from a different world.  No way in hell would your viewpoint stand here in L.A. with UCLA USC, or Cal Stanford, or Kentucky Louisville.  You care deeply about your rival and you want to beat their brains in.  The comparisons are always valid and there is no agenda at all.  It's called  a #$#ing rivalry!!! 

[willie warrior]

Exactly.  Well said.  I've been thinking about a lot of the same points all year, and it's true.  Greedy fans expecting a lot.

Just a question. Is regressing each year under Buzz and a person being very frustrated about make a person a greedy fan? What is your definition of a greedy fan? If you are using the criteria of not getting excited about an NIT bid, then I do not get it.

[willie warrior]

An extremely passionate one thank you very much! Perhaps you are satisfied with mediocrity. I frankly am not. I want MU to be one of those perennial NCAA teams. Uw has been, no damn reason MU can't be either. I'm not on the fire buzz bandwagon, but something wasn't right with this team this year, and he didn't seemingly do anything to try to fix it either. Everyone is responsible for this craptacular season.


AGREE 1000%

Some kids play sports just to get the juice box and dinosaur snacks after the game.  To some, winning is the only thing that matters!

Agree also. Tired of the excuses, tired of the In Buzz we Trust psychobabble, tired of regressing, tired of the mediocrity, tired of folding during the strtch drive. I want this team to compete for BEast titles---not end up 11th of 16 teams.

[Da 'Lanche]

Sorry "dude"....I did live in the L.A. area for about 10 years....if you think that Marquette v. UW is anything close to UCLA/USC or CAl/Stanford in terms of a rivalry...you are either  smokin' some great Venice Beach herb or seriously delusional....or live on the JSONline sports comments section.  Most people outside of the state of Wisconsin could care less what UW does or does not do on the recruitment trail, in games against other teams, or how they view our basketball program at Marquette.  

Funny how you immediately respond to the comment about agendas...I did not mention you.

[willie warrior]

Doesn't help when 75 miles to the west, a school that didn't go to the NCAA tournament for 54 straight years is about to go to the NCAAs for their 13th straight year and could get a #2 seed if they win tomorrow....this for a team that is "SLOW AND WHITE"...right Another84?   13 straight years, that might as well "NCAA tournament every year"

And the majority on this board think we have a better program than UW.

[willie warrior]

One of those 9-9 teams missed the tournament last year with far better talent than we have and a hall of fame coach.

Excuses.

[willie warrior]

Disagree.  Two years ago that team was special, but the DJ injury was a killer.  The year prior when losing to Stanford was a fine team as well.  Both teams were in the top 5 in the Big East.  That's damn good.

Now, trending downward last year and this year...agree, but I wouldn't say that was the case in 2008 or 2009, far from it.

But you would agree that we are trending downward under Buzz's leadership?

[Lennys Tap]

Doesn't help when 75 miles to the west, a school that didn't go to the NCAA tournament for 54 straight years is about to go to the NCAAs for their 13th straight year and could get a #2 seed if they win tomorrow....this for a team that is "SLOW AND WHITE"...right Another84?   13 straight years, that might as well "NCAA tournament every year"

Who gives a crap? Your obsession with all things Wisconsin is ridiculous. The only reason you use UW as our yardstick is because for the time being and in the recent past we come up short against them. It's hilarious how you want to hold us to the "Wiscosin number of transfers" standard (rather than say, the Indiana or UNC standard) because you think it makes us look bad. I know you're giddy as a schoolgirl over our bad loss tonight, but why not take it over to Badger Nation for your celebration.

[madtownwarrior]

and those other 9 - 9 teams have had much better recent BEast conferences finishes and NCAA tourney performances...

Excuses.

[ChicosBailBonds]

And the majority on this board think we have a better program than UW.

All time, we do, but the gap is narrowing.  Since the next century started, we clearly don't.  That's frustrating, especially considering they went a HALF A CENTURY of sucking ass and in almost no time blew by us.  Here's the really scary part, as much as people bitch about the previous dude, imagine how much bigger the gap would have been since the 2000's has been our best decade in 30 years.  We're lucky we are in striking distance, quite frankly.

And this idea that big, bad, scary Bucky is different and we can't compete or measure up attitude that some have...holy Christ, what has gotten into some of you.  They are a rival....we should be excited to go beat their arses every day and twice on Sunday.

At least the women's basketball, women's soccer (twice), and men's soccer got the memo this year.

[GGGG]

But you would agree that we are trending downward under Buzz's leadership?

I wouldn't.  People forget that there were a number of NIT appearances and post season shut outs under Crean.

[GGGG]

All time, we do, but the gap is narrowing.  Since the next century started, we clearly don't.  That's frustrating, especially considering they went a HALF A CENTURY of sucking ass and in almost no time blew by us. 

$$$$$$$$$$$.   That's what it is.  Lots of cash, which resulted in better facilities, and a couple of very smart hiring decisions.

[Da 'Lanche]

All time, we do, but the gap is narrowing.  Since the next century started, we clearly don't.  That's frustrating, especially considering they went a HALF A CENTURY of sucking ass and in almost no time blew by us.  Here's the really scary part, as much as people bitch about the previous dude, imagine how much bigger the gap would have been since the 2000's has been our best decade in 30 years.  We're lucky we are in striking distance, quite frankly.

And this idea that big, bad, scary Bucky is different and we can't compete or measure up attitude that some have...holy Christ, what has gotten into some of you.  They are a rival....we should be excited to go beat their arses every day and twice on Sunday.

At least the women's basketball, women's soccer (twice), and men's soccer got the memo this year.

Who says we don't want to beat the snot out of them?   And to infer from comments that somehow by not holding tribute to them on this board constantly is somehow admitting they are big and bad and we can not compete with them is just plain silly.  What has gotten in to many of us is Bucky-fatigue...pure and simple.  It is fueled enough by obnoxious badger fans....I wish it could stop being fed by "MU fans"

[NersEllenson]

Who says we don't want to beat the snot out of them?   And to infer from comments that somehow by not holding tribute to them on this board constantly is somehow admitting they are big and bad and we can not compete with them is just plain silly.  What has gotten in to many of us is Bucky-fatigue...pure and simple.  It is fueled enough by obnoxious badger fans....I wish it could stop being fed by "MU fans"

How dare you question the fandom of Chicos..he traveled all the way across the country to be at an MU game earlier this season, and has a living room full of MU memorabilia.

That said, I get it, in that his post count goes up significantly after MU losses.  He's all over this board tonight.  Purely  coincidental.

[ChicosBailBonds]

$$$$$$$$$$$.   That's what it is.  Lots of cash, which resulted in better facilities, and a couple of very smart hiring decisions.

Certainly part of it, but MU spends a crap load of money on basketball. The Al is a beautiful facility...I keep reading that playing in a NBA arena is wonderful because it allows players to interact with NBA players...so I don't buy the facilities part.

You hit it on the head with the hiring decisions.

[Lennys Tap]

And this idea that big, bad, scary Bucky is different and we can't compete or measure up attitude that some have...holy Christ, what has gotten into some of you.  They are a rival....we should be excited to go beat their arses every day and twice on Sunday.

Please name ONE (1) person on this board who has put forth the proposition that "big, bad, scary Bucky" is a team that  we can't "compete" with or "measure up" to. They are a rival and we should be excited to beat them that Saturday we play them each December.

You're the one obsessed with their recent excellence. You're the one who thinks that any success for them somehow results in our failure. The fact that most here aren't as crazy and illogical as you doesn't mean that something odd "has gotten into" us, but into you.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Who gives a crap? Your obsession with all things Wisconsin is ridiculous. The only reason you use UW as our yardstick is because for the time being and in the recent past we come up short against them. It's hilarious how you want to hold us to the "Wiscosin number of transfers" standard (rather than say, the Indiana or UNC standard) because you think it makes us look bad. I know you're giddy as a schoolgirl over our bad loss tonight, but why not take it over to Badger Nation for your celebration.

UNC and IU are our rivals?  They're in our state?  Weird.  We are compared to them (UW-madison) by fans in the state of Wisconsin and the media...I don't think we are compared to IU or UNC by the "vast majority" (I love how you coined that term..you should trademark it) of fans in the state of Wisconsin sans a few obsessed folks like you and ners and CD who believe that everything happens in Bloomington is germane to MU?  I need to get myself a new map, apparently.  This just in...MU and UW-madison are basketball rivals and that's why people compare the two programs.  UCLA and USC, Kentucky and Louisville, Cal and Stanford...no obsession at all, it's simple REALITY of how things work in rivalries.

Get a new map

http://www.youtube.com/v/TgvyparsP0c

[MerrittsMustache]

Chicos - I challenge you to go 1 week without bringing up Wisconsin or mentioning Wisconsin, Bo Ryan, etc in any of your posts, even in response to someone else who mentions Bucky. We can then see if MU fans really do constantly harp about Wisconsin basketball or if it's merely that there's one poster who continuously brings them up.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Chicos - I challenge you to go 1 week without bringing up Wisconsin or mentioning Wisconsin, Bo Ryan, etc in any of your posts, even in response to someone else who mentions Bucky. We can then see if MU fans really do constantly harp about Wisconsin basketball or if it's merely that there's one poster who continuously brings them up.

Are you kidding me....go to the JS site right now and look at all the UW fans interacting with the MU fans....you think that doesn't happen in a rivalry?  Of course it does.  You think that's just one fan?  It looks like way more than one fan.  Looks like a ton of UW fans.  You think if MU doesn't get into the NCAA tournament that UW fans won't be saying anything to their MU office mates at work...hell, do you think UWM fans won't if they get in?  You are out of your mind if you don't think so. 

Maybe that's the problem here, maybe I'm the only one that gives a crap about beating that program.  Sure seems like it.

[MerrittsMustache]

Let me preface this by saying this message is only directed toward a small group of fans.  Not everyone.

Buzz Williams is on the verge of taking his FIRST Marquette team to the NCAA tournament and people on here are giving him directions to Arkansas.  Others say the season is over and they wont go to a NIT game if thats where we end up.  

We finished tied with UCONN and Villanova in Big East play: teams with established coaches in Wright and Calhoun and more talented players.  I think we can agree it would be stupid for these teams to dump their established coaches, but people here want to dump Buzz with a team of all of his players for the first time? Reality check people: even the best teams in college basketball don't make the tournament every year.  Syracuse, UCONN, North Carolina, Arizona, and others all missed the tournament recently.  Should they have fired their coaches?

If we were to end up in the NIT, some of you won't go to the games because that's beneath you?  I've seen tons of threads saying the team doesn't have heart.  Well it seems to me some of you people gave up on this team and nothing says that more than refusing to go to a NIT game.  

What the hell kind of fans are you?

Well said, Titan. The basketball ignorance of far too many posters on here is coming closer and closer to completely ruining this board.

[MerrittsMustache]

Are you kidding me....go to the JS site right now and look at all the UW fans interacting with the MU fans....you think that doesn't happen in a rivalry?  Of course it does.  You think that's just one fan?  It looks like way more than one fan.  Looks like a ton of UW fans.  You think if MU doesn't get into the NCAA tournament that UW fans won't be saying anything to their MU office mates at work...hell, do you think UWM fans won't if they get in?  You are out of your mind if you don't think so. 

Maybe that's the problem here, maybe I'm the only one that gives a crap about beating that program.  Sure seems like it.

This isn't the JS site and this isn't someone's office. I'm asking you not to post about Wisconsin on THIS board just as an experiment.

Maybe the problem is that you care far too much about beating the Wisconsin program. Even the dumbest of MU fans knows that winning in the Big East and advancing deep into the NCAA Tournament is light years ahead of beating the Wisconsin program. If MU never beats Wisconsin again and constantly loses in-state recruits to Wisconsin but wins Big East titles and makes runs at the National Championship, I'd be 100% satisfied...but I have a feeling that you wouldn't be. Your obsession with Wisconsin basketball is bizarre.