The Stupidity On This Board Is Amazing

[ChicosBailBonds]

This isn't the JS site and this isn't someone's office. I'm asking you not to post about Wisconsin on THIS board just as an experiment.

Maybe the problem is that you care far too much about beating the Wisconsin program. Even the dumbest of MU fans knows that winning in the Big East and advancing deep into the NCAA Tournament is light years ahead of beating the Wisconsin program. If MU never beats Wisconsin again and constantly loses in-state recruits to Wisconsin but wins Big East titles and makes runs at the National Championship, I'd be 100% satisfied...but I have a feeling that you wouldn't be. Your obsession with Wisconsin basketball is bizarre.

I'd take that trade as well...let me know when we are winning those Big East titles and making runs at the national championship...haven't seen it sans Crean's Final Four year.  Now, in those years when neither of those things are happening, I'd like to beat our arch rival.  I don't find that bizarre, but rather a key attribute to a rivalry...you know...wanting to beat them.  Crazy, I know.

Go to the Scout board...it's wonderful over there. 

[MerrittsMustache]

I'd take that trade as well...let me know when we are winning those Big East titles and making runs at the national championship...haven't seen it sans Crean's Final Four year.  Now, in those years when neither of those things are happening, I'd like to beat our arch rival.  I don't find that bizarre, but rather a key attribute to a rivalry...you know...wanting to beat them.  Crazy, I know.

Go to the Scout board...it's wonderful over there. 

Wanting to beat a non-conference rival makes sense. No one is arguing that. However, MU hasn't played Wisconsin in 3 months yet you seemingly bring them up every day on here. Move on! In the meantime, MU has played Big East rivals Notre Dame, DePaul, Louisville and Cincinnati. Winning those games, as well as the rest of the conference games, is far more important than beating Wisconsin. In fact, tonight's game against Seton Hall was far more crushing than the loss to Wisconsin.

[Lennys Tap]

 

Maybe that's the problem here, maybe I'm the only one that gives a crap about beating that program.  Sure seems like it.

That's not the problem here. You are not the only one here who cares about beating UW. Everyone on this board cares about beating UW. You are, though, the only one here with the stones to suggest that constantly ripping your own team and using your rival's success to do it makes you superfan. It does make you something, just not the only one who gives a crap.

[Tugg Speedman]

Please enter reality and realize YOU CAN'T MAKE THE NCAA TOURNAMENT EVERY YEAR.  The top schools in the country can't even do that yet you want Marquette too?

Yeah, your right, your probably right.  We're all dumb for having expectations.  I mean trying to get two wins against less than sub-par teams (compared to marquette) shouldn't be that hard.  But your right!

Why does UW success matter?  Why not compare us to Northwestern?  Evanston is closer to Milwaukee than Madison.

Chicos, KenPom has UW ranked last out of 345 teams for tempo this year.  IF that is not the definition of slow, what is?

[wyzgy]

An extremely passionate one thank you very much! Perhaps you are satisfied with mediocrity. I frankly am not. I want MU to be one of those perennial NCAA teams. Uw has been, no damn reason MU can't be either. I'm not on the fire buzz bandwagon, but something wasn't right with this team this year, and he didn't seemingly do anything to try to fix it either. Everyone is responsible for this craptacular season.

guru-you are my hero-"something wasn't right with this team this year" has been my feelings too... although i can't quite put my finger on it, but the players just seem to be playing scared/afraid to make a mistake.  when i say mistake, i mean something difficult to point out from a fans perspective, but from buzz' perspective.  ok ok nothing wrong with high expectations from your payers, but demanding your player be at a certain point on the floor at a certain time all the time, a shot without a paint touch, great practices all week, doing everything right, then one thing wrong...i don't know, but like the players sense a certain unfairness of how the buzz hierarchy works on some of his guys and not others

[MUWeb7]

Let me preface this by saying this message is only directed toward a small group of fans.  Not everyone.

Buzz Williams is on the verge of taking his FIRST Marquette team to the NCAA tournament and people on here are giving him directions to Arkansas.  Others say the season is over and they wont go to a NIT game if thats where we end up. 

We finished tied with UCONN and Villanova in Big East play: teams with established coaches in Wright and Calhoun and more talented players.  I think we can agree it would be stupid for these teams to dump their established coaches, but people here want to dump Buzz with a team of all of his players for the first time? Reality check people: even the best teams in college basketball don't make the tournament every year.  Syracuse, UCONN, North Carolina, Arizona, and others all missed the tournament recently.  Should they have fired their coaches?

If we were to end up in the NIT, some of you won't go to the games because that's beneath you?  I've seen tons of threads saying the team doesn't have heart.  Well it seems to me some of you people gave up on this team and nothing says that more than refusing to go to a NIT game. 

What the hell kind of fans are you?

+100000

I read a few threads following the game and was astonished at what was being said.  I've been rough on the team/coaches, but some of the things said here were over the top.

I still look forward to watching them in action in the BET.  Lets get past the last two games and do some damage.  We know they are capable.

[wyzgy]

pardon my belatednes, but that juice box, dinosaur cracker analogy is tits

[ChicosBailBonds]

Why does UW success matter?  Why not compare us to Northwestern?  Evanston is closer to Milwaukee than Madison.

Chicos, KenPom has UW ranked last out of 345 teams for tempo this year.  IF that is not the definition of slow, what is?

Do they also rank based on skin color...you mentioned they were white...I'm not sure why that matters.  Let me know if Ken Pom has a skin color ranking. Also, where does Ken Pom have them ranked over all.

Finally, because Northwestern isn't a rival, that's why.  We've played Northwestern probably 30 times.  Wisconsin...over 100 times.


Jesus, I feel like I'm in a altered state of reality with some of you people.  It seems to me that they were always our number one rival but now that they are the best team in the state, SOME of you guys are running away from that reality.  Why?  Well, it sure looks like its because they are having a better fo of it.  Me...it pisses me off.  In our company we compare ourselves daily to the competition and our rivals so we know how to kick their ass.  When I was with the Angels and Ducks, we compared ourselves daily to the competition and our rivals...it was called the Standings. 

Rest assured, as soon as UW-madison loses in the NCAA tournament a bunch of folks here will be jumping for joy (me included)...so we only treat them as a rival when they lose but when they're doing well, we should compare ourselves to Northwestern?  Holy crap....please shoot me now.

Forgive me if it looks like some of you don't want to compare ourselves to our BIGGEST RIVAL because we haven't done as well against them of late.  I say nonsense.  Get pissed off, we should compare ourselves every day and start doing better than those clowns.  I swear some of you seem to be from the give everybody a trophy club.  No thanks.

[ChicosBailBonds]

That's not the problem here. You are not the only one here who cares about beating UW. Everyone on this board cares about beating UW. You are, though, the only one here with the stones to suggest that constantly ripping your own team and using your rival's success to do it makes you superfan. It does make you something, just not the only one who gives a crap.

Apparently not...we should be comparing ourselves to Northwestern or maybe Chicago State...they're closer you know.  Maybe Cardinal Strich.  

Constantly ripping my team...hardly.  Constructive criticism...you bet.  I believe this team is going to the NCAAs (if we beat PC), not sure how that's constantly ripping on MU. If you want to aspire to be better, you lock in on those that are better and try to see what makes them tick, how they got there.  It's this way in life, business, sports, etc.  I'm sorry that rubs you the wrong way.

[NersEllenson]

Jesus, I feel like I'm in a altered state of reality with some of you people. 

We feel the same way.  You most definitely are in an altered state of reality.

[war1980rior]

Let me preface this by saying this message is only directed toward a small group of fans.  Not everyone.

Buzz Williams is on the verge of taking his FIRST Marquette team to the NCAA tournament and people on here are giving him directions to Arkansas.  Others say the season is over and they wont go to a NIT game if thats where we end up. 

We finished tied with UCONN and Villanova in Big East play: teams with established coaches in Wright and Calhoun and more talented players.  I think we can agree it would be stupid for these teams to dump their established coaches, but people here want to dump Buzz with a team of all of his players for the first time? Reality check people: even the best teams in college basketball don't make the tournament every year.  Syracuse, UCONN, North Carolina, Arizona, and others all missed the tournament recently.  Should they have fired their coaches?

If we were to end up in the NIT, some of you won't go to the games because that's beneath you?  I've seen tons of threads saying the team doesn't have heart.  Well it seems to me some of you people gave up on this team and nothing says that more than refusing to go to a NIT game. 

What the hell kind of fans are you?

This might be my favorite post of the year!  My college basketball viewing career continues for two more tournaments because of a great effort by these men.  A lot of negativity by just a few on this board, but I see a lot of good things.  I feel confident in one to two wins in the BET, and hope they make the NCAA.  If they earn an NIT instead, I see a championship to round out the season!

The future is not dim by any means.  I think JC is going to emerge as one of the top PGs in the BE.  CO is going to be a very solid center going forward.  Tremendous improvement in his first full season.  A lot of talent in between as well, with some solid talent coming in.

I loved finding this board so I could find out more info about MU than an occasional boxscore in the Sunday paper.  Naysayers need another cup of coffee, and begin to believe in their team (or go somewhere else, please!).

For those that like MU, remember that despite the naysayers, MU is an exceptional university that provides a solid foundation for life.  It has a great basketball program that will continue.  Take pride and enjoy every moment!

[Tugg Speedman]

Apparently not...we should be comparing ourselves to Northwestern or maybe Chicago State...they're closer you know.  Maybe Cardinal Strich.  

How about teams that we play a lot ... ND, DePaul and Lousiville.  You always pick UW.

[Tugg Speedman]

Do they also rank based on skin color...you mentioned they were white...I'm not sure why that matters.  Let me know if Ken Pom has a skin color ranking. Also, where does Ken Pom have them ranked over all.

345 D1 teams ....

Adjusted Tempo rankings.

UW = 345
NW = 262
ND = 269

Tempo is the skin color rankings ... white teams are slow and slow is a boring style.

[Jam Chowder]

This board would be way better sans about 4-5 posters that I think 85% of the people on this board could identify...

[MUBurrow]

I'm still at a loss at all the chest beating about how we shouldn't be comparing ourselves to UConn or Villanova.  If a traditional power hits a tailspin, sure you wouldn't want to compare to them indefinitely, but cmon.  Wait another 5 years when we get kicked out of the BEast and are in a conference with SLU. Then the notion that we shouldnt ever compare ourselves to UConn or take solace in the ups and downs of a power like Villanova will really be hilarious.

[ChicosBailBonds]

How about teams that we play a lot ... ND, DePaul and Lousiville.  You always pick UW.

Again, seriously.  I'm sorry Another84, but to get to the top of the mountain you have to aspire to be the best, not compare yourselves to #$#&ing DePaul.  I really don't get your rationale on this stuff at all.

Yes,  fortunately, we're doing wonderful against DePaul....except for last year head to head.    

Do you want to be the best team in the state of Wisconsin or not?

[ChicosBailBonds]

345 D1 teams ....

Adjusted Tempo rankings.

UW = 345
NW = 262
ND = 269

Tempo is the skin color rankings ... white teams are slow and slow is a boring style.

Wow, sounds a bit racist. (added because in Lenny's advanced aid he needs the visual age...TEAL = Sarcasm)  I'll bet more people care about WINNING than how good it looks.  I hate Wisconsin's style, but their results are very good....I don't care if they are Caucasian, Asian, African American or what have you.  

Is the goal to look pretty or is the goal to win?  

[ChicosBailBonds]

This board would be way better sans about 4-5 posters that I think 85% of the people on this board could identify...

Use the ignore button

[MUBurrow]

Wow, sounds a bit racist.  I'll bet more people care about WINNING than how good it looks.  I hate Wisconsin's style, but their results are very good....I don't care if they are Caucasian, Asian, African American or what have you. 

Is the goal to look pretty or is the goal to win? 

I dunno, I've thought about this a lot actually and I'm not sure what it would do to my fandom if we started playing, recruiting, etc like Wisco.  I've watched some of their games and it barely looks like basketball to me.  Its probably because they've played that way since I was at MU, and so I organically grew to associate that style with the team I hated most... but I dont ever want to rely on talking about the "smart decisions" my players make with the same air that athletes are often referred to as "well spoken"

[ChicosBailBonds]

I dunno, I've thought about this a lot actually and I'm not sure what it would do to my fandom if we started playing, recruiting, etc like Wisco.  I've watched some of their games and it barely looks like basketball to me.  Its probably because they've played that way since I was at MU, and so I organically grew to associate that style with the team I hated most... but I dont ever want to rely on talking about the "smart decisions" my players make with the same air that athletes are often referred to as "well spoken"

I thought they kept score to determine who won and lost.  I thought they have standings to determine what place teams are in.  If I wanted to judge my team by how pretty they looked or how aesthetically pleasing on the eyes, I would become a gymnastics or figure skating fan and throw up 9.8's from couch when the performances were over.

YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME.  I find nothing aesthetically pleasing watching teams score at will on us because our defense isn't there but we look "smooth" on offense and push the ball.

[Lennys Tap]

Wow, sounds a bit racist.   
 

Wow. The guy who was apoplectic and went ballistic accusing others of calling him a racist (when they did no such thing) flat out calls someone else one. This should be good.

[Tugg Speedman]

Wow, sounds a bit racist.

Don't go naive in me.  Ask any college basketball fan what they think when you say the "Wiscsonsin" and they think "white and slow."

I just stated what ever knows.

[tower912]

The problem is by resorting to that cheap stereotype, you justify 'traditional', slurs against jucos, 'playground ball', etc.   You give cover to other, even more inapproprate, terms.   

[MUBurrow]

I thought they kept score to determine who won and lost.  I thought they have standings to determine what place teams are in.  If I wanted to judge my team by how pretty they looked or how aesthetically pleasing on the eyes, I would become a gymnastics or figure skating fan and throw up 9.8's from couch when the performances were over.

YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME.  I find nothing aesthetically pleasing watching teams score at will on us because our defense isn't there but we look "smooth" on offense and push the ball.

I agree about winning, and I'm not arguing that I'm a better fan than anyone else or even a good fan.  But there's something about the style that Wisco and others (but prominently wisco) plays that really bothers me.  The standing on the top of the key for 25 seconds, the offensive standing around, the overall speed etc etc. Not trying to excuse my own bias, but theres a big difference between winning ugly/being pleasing on the eyes and recruiting to create an identity as a slow team.  MU has won plenty of ugly games over the years, filled with turnovers, bad FG %s, and just muscled games out. Wisco has created an identity to the point that players won't go there because of the style.  There's a difference between shortening individual games and standing up saying you are a slow team. Those things shouldn't be conflated.

That aside, if we were to assume a slow identity at a program level, I don't like to think about or admit if I would be less likely to be invested in the team as I am now.

[Goose]

Obviously many of us post without thinking from time to time. But, I think many on here have little idea exactly how important this is to the university. Athletics is a major part of any successful university. Many on here want to believe we are Harvard, Duke or ND academically but that is flat out wrong. We are a great school that has to earn everything we get. If this programs slips over upcoming years it will have a big negative affect on the school as a whole.

I actually love MU more than I love MU baskets. This is a business and it has to perform at high level every year. We gave the keys to an unproven coach and we cannot allow it to slip away. The BOT and AD are not basketball people and believe that because we want to be good/great it will automatically happen. Our leash has to be shorter than UW leash because we have no football backup.