Bright spot

[groove]

You guys are totally over reacting to his comment.  Nowhere did he say he wanted Buzz fired.  If I had to guess, Ecompt fits into the category of let's see if he's the real deal with his own players, etc, and evaluate after multiple years.  So instead of rewarding him with an extension now, wait another year and see how he does.  Afterall, this is his first year with all his guys.

I may be wrong, but that was my interpretation of his remarks...nothing about firing at all.

totally agree. Let's see if he is better than Mike Deane. let's see if he can recruit more than just Junior College players. Will get frustrating losing players after only two years and never getting any continuity going.

[GGGG]

You want to fire a guy becuase he cannot win against a top 10 team (will be next week) on the road?

I don't want to fire him, but he seems at this point to be exceedingly average.  I think he actually comes up with decent game plans, but other coaches make better adjustments.  And his inability to fix our defensive issues has been an ongoing frustration.  Oh, and this team plays so stupid sometimes.

[ChicosBailBonds]

At the end of the day, there ain't a whole hell of a lot of difference between "not getting extended" and getting fired.  He clearly wants him gone...it's just a matter of when and the particulars. 

He said he didn't want him fired so how can you say "clearly wants him gone" when he flat out said he didn't want him fired?

There is a HUGE difference between not getting extended and getting fired when you have 3 years left on your deal.  Now, if he had 1 year left on his deal, I would agree with you, but that's not the case.

Personally, I don't think it's going to be an issue.  He recruits too well not to keep us most years in the top part of the Big East, the question will become if he makes strides on the sidelines with his guys.  Hopefully that is the case.  We can't afford it not to be the case as this is the risk we took going after a coach without much coaching chops...we just have to hope he gets better.

Some have speculated that Oklahoma or someone else might make a run for him...who knows.  Certainly an easier league to coach in than the Big East but I'm hopeful Buzz is here for the long haul and does well.

[groove]

Maybe there will be a better search process in place the next time so we might not have to hire a coach who needs to learn on the job. Maybe he was the best out there at the time. Who knows. We will see over the next year or two. Maybe we will be in the Atlantic 10 by then and Buzz will fit at that level.

[BallBoy]

The bright spot is that we are one game closer to Buzz not getting extended. He is a very nice guy and a very poor coach.

And it starts...

does anyone have firebuzz.com?  It only took one rebuilding year and it was time for him to go.  He has overachieved in his previous years but he has problems with a team with 1.87yrs of college basketball experience and people are calling for his job.

Also to note the 1.87 yrs is documented on kenpom but is does not include the fact that OTule,  fulce and JC were hurt. Give the guy a break.

[groove]

And it starts...

does anyone have firebuzz.com?  It only took one rebuilding year and it was time for him to go.  He has overachieved in his previous years but he has problems with a team with 1.87yrs of college basketball experience and people are calling for his job.

Also to note the 1.87 yrs is documented on kenpom but is does not include the fact that OTule,  fulce and JC were hurt. Give the guy a break.

Yeah and that won't change any if we keep depending on junior college recruits.

[chren21]

I put it all on Djo and Jae.  He has the athletes to win. Plain and simple.  He can recruit. 

[ZiggysFryBoy]

And it starts...

does anyone have firebuzz.com?  It only took one rebuilding year and it was time for him to go.  He has overachieved in his previous years but he has problems with a team with 1.87yrs of college basketball experience and people are calling for his job.

Also to note the 1.87 yrs is documented on kenpom but is does not include the fact that OTule,  fulce and JC were hurt. Give the guy a break.

firebuzz.com is available.  so is firebuzzwilliams.com.  you do not want to visit www.4everwarriors.xxx under any circumstances (unless you enjoy donkey porn)   

this guy is getting into the t-shirt biz.  http://www.redbubble.com/people/djklambake/t-shirts/6599018-1-fire-buzz-williams

[BallBoy]

Yeah and that won't change any if we keep depending on junior college recruits.

we get it you don't like Juco's but note that Fulce, Butler, and DJO will have played three years when they leave.  That is only 1 less year than a true freshman.  Do they really hurt the average?

Then there are Crowder and Buycks who will play two.  

There is VB, EWill, Gardner, Otule, JC, and JJ who if they stay will play 4 yrs.  

Without these horrible Jucos it wouldn't have helped any. We would have
No seniors
2 Jrs (Butler and Fulce's scholarship)
5 Sophs (DJO and Buycks scholarship)
4 Freshman (Crowder's scholarship)


The Jucos add some experience so we are better off.  What has hurt were all the transfers.  More so the loss of players during the coaching change

[groove]

Didn't say they were horrible. They are our best players. Just said that if you depend on junior college players it is more difficult to maintain continuity for your program.

[groove]

firebuzz.com is available.  so is firebuzzwilliams.com.  you do not want to visit www.4everwarriors.xxx under any circumstances (unless you enjoy donkey porn)   

this guy is getting into the t-shirt biz.  http://www.redbubble.com/people/djklambake/t-shirts/6599018-1-fire-buzz-williams

Will he use the photo from the media guide

[Dr. Blackheart]

you do not want to visit www.4everwarriors.xxx under any circumstances (unless you enjoy donkey porn)   

Quadever back in the day...

[groove]

Quadever back in the day...

is that a charge? or a travel

[ChicosBailBonds]

Those of you who know Ecompt as I do, you know he's a sharp cookie.  Former sports editor at the NY Post and prior to that at Newsday.  He's now a journalism professor at a Jesuit college.  He knows sports and he loves Marquette.  He comes from the golden era of MU so he's used to a high level of basketball.  Perhaps his New York background brings a more critical eye than some are used to...I've always felt the NY media were tough. 

Nevertheless, the last thing he would want is to see MU fail or Buzz fail.  No one at MU wants to see Buzz fail, it doesn't benefit anyone.

[4everwarriors]

Chicos, can you spell that out clearer so F*ckin' can understand it?

[Lennys Tap]

Those of you who know Ecompt as I do, you know he's a sharp cookie.  Former sports editor at the NY Post and prior to that at Newsday.  He's now a journalism professor at a Jesuit college.  He knows sports and he loves Marquette.  He comes from the golden era of MU so he's used to a high level of basketball.  Perhaps his New York background brings a more critical eye than some are used to...I've always felt the NY media were tough. 

Nevertheless, the last thing he would want is to see MU fail or Buzz fail.  No one at MU wants to see Buzz fail, it doesn't benefit anyone.

Did anyone say he doesn't love Marquette? Or that he's not a "sharp cookie"? Or that he wants Marquette or Buzz to fail?

What he did say is that Buzz is a nice guy and a shi**y coach and he's certainly entitled to that opinion. And given that opinion, he should (as an MU fan) want Buzz out. Why would any MU fan want our team to be led by a "very poor" coach. I know I wouldn't. Would you? But for you to dress that opinion up as some sort of a neutral, wait and see attitude is dishonest.

[rocky_warrior]

I don't want to fire him, but he seems at this point to be exceedingly average. 

Hmm, I'd have to completely disagree with this.  Based on team rankings, recruit rankings, and results, he currently seems exceedingly above average, and decidedly below top #20.  But, I'd be curious to hear more about this measuring stick of yours which has him right at average (clearly it's not using the total # of teams in Div 1).

[GGGG]

Hmm, I'd have to completely disagree with this.  Based on team rankings, recruit rankings, and results, he currently seems exceedingly above average, and decidedly below top #20.  But, I'd be curious to hear more about this measuring stick of yours which has him right at average (clearly it's not using the total # of teams in Div 1).

I think he is a very good recruiter, but a fairly average bench coach.  (Which is what I was addressing in the first place.)

[Lennys Tap]

Nope and no one said you or anyone else stated that either.  I simply offered it up because so many people here, like yourself, segment people into cute little buckets that are black and white....With Him (buzz) or Against Him.  It reads like a McCarthy enemies list around here some times.  Dare to question the coach or the school....BLASPHEMY.   So what's your point in even bringing this up?  

Lenny, he said he doesn't want him fired but yet you ignore that completely. Why?  Why are you ignoring his words? Playing doctor again?  Take the man at his word why don't you?  It has nothing to do with being "dishonest", but you again have no problem throwing that charge out again.  Sigh.  We get that you know options trading, but I'm hard pressed to think you know much about human psychology or what a poster meant, no matter how much you try.  If you want to lecture us on binary options, or how Bernie Madoff pulled off his fraud in the options game, fine, I'm all ears.  In fact, I'll bet it would be very interesting and illuminating.  In the interim,  take the man at his word and stop pretending you know what is in people's hearts or how they feel on this board, especially when it's always people you don't agree with.  And stop with the "code words" nonsense and trying to pretend there is some Rosetta Stone at your fingertips that only you get to decide what a person's intent is.  

All I did was quote him directly, a statement which YOU continue to ignore - "He's a really nice guy and a really poor coach". You think this is neutral because he qualifies it by saying he doesn't want Buzz fired? Let me ask you this - if your boss gave you a review like that - you're a nice guy but very poor at your job but said he wasn't going to fire you until your contract was up for renewal would you consider that a positive, negative or neutral evaluation? 

Ecompt tells it like he sees it. He thinks Buzz is a sh**ty coach and says as much. He's not trying to twist, sugarcoat or nuance his position into something it's not. If you think it takes a psychiatrist to reach the conclusion that he holds a negative view of Buzz's coaching I don't know what to tell you.

As for your McCarthy insults, I'll just laugh, consider the source and chalk it up to your never sated thirst to play the victim.

[lab_warrior]

The bright spot is that we are one game closer to Buzz not getting extended. He is a very nice guy and a very poor coach.

Mmmmmmmmm...That is some DELICIOUS tasting dumbstupid.

[brewcity77]

I think that Buzz suffers from inexperience more than anything else. But somehow, he has a knack for keeping it close. We constantly seem to berate him for getting outcoached in the second half when we lose leads against the likes of Pitino, Calhoun, Brey, and Thompson. But what about the games where we win the second half? Does that mean that in the second half, Buzz out-coached Kryzewski, Few, Wright, and Dixon? That he made better in-game adjustments than those guys did?

I don't know the answer. Buzz seems to be a good recruiter. He certainly can't be faulted for bringing in top 100 kids like Blue, Jones, Williams, or Wilson, who could finally get scholarships at 95% of the schools in the country. And he has proven to be an excellent JUCO recruiter. I can't remember any other coach finding a set of JUCOs that could compare with Butler, DJO, Buycks, and Crowder, and think that again those four would get minutes at 95% of the schools in the country.

Buzz coaches us well enough to be in every game we play. I'll agree that the defense isn't where it needs to be, and maybe there's not the consistency in great adjustments that we need, but I think that can come with time. What we do need is that one star player who can take over a game in the clutch. Maybe Blue can develop into that, who knows? But my guess is it will either take some of our young promising players developing (Blue, Wilson, Jones) into a star or to not just get on the list of a guy like Quincy Miller but actually sign them. As hard as it is to see these close losses, the truth is that we really aren't far off. I think that Buzz deserves another year or two before we start calling for his head, and even the most critical people here don't seem to be doing that. Remember, a criticism is not the same as a demand for a firing.

[Marquette84]

we get it you don't like Juco's but note that Fulce, Butler, and DJO will have played three years when they leave.  That is only 1 less year than a true freshman.  Do they really hurt the average?

Then there are Crowder and Buycks who will play two.  

There is VB, EWill, Gardner, Otule, JC, and JJ who if they stay will play 4 yrs.  

Without these horrible Jucos it wouldn't have helped any. We would have
No seniors
2 Jrs (Butler and Fulce's scholarship)
5 Sophs (DJO and Buycks scholarship)
4 Freshman (Crowder's scholarship)


The Jucos add some experience so we are better off.  What has hurt were all the transfers.  More so the loss of players during the coaching change

I think you miss the point.

The point is that you can't make excuses for the team being young ("only 1.87 years experience"!) if we're going to have so many JUCOs on the team, who by definition will never be 4-year players. 
 

[CTWarrior]

Yes, he fouled out in 10 minutes of action, but it was nice to see Gardner chip in 12 points.  Otule also had a pretty decent game.  Adding Wilson to the mix next year I feel better about our frontcourt situation for the next couple years.

Gardner had an excellent game on the offensive end, but just kills us on D.  He cannot guard the low post nor is he the slightest deterrent to drivers.

The strange thing about the Georgetown game is that Crowder, Butler, Buycks and to a lesser extent DJO did not bring their A game on Saturday but we hung around because the other guys picked up the slack. 

This team is getting close to putting it all together and becoming very dangerous, but we're running out of time.

[RawdogDX]

He said he didn't want him fired so how can you say "clearly wants him gone" when he flat out said he didn't want him fired?

There is a HUGE difference between not getting extended and getting fired when you have 3 years left on your deal.  Now, if he had 1 year left on his deal, I would agree with you, but that's not the case.

Personally, I don't think it's going to be an issue.  He recruits too well not to keep us most years in the top part of the Big East, the question will become if he makes strides on the sidelines with his guys.  Hopefully that is the case.  We can't afford it not to be the case as this is the risk we took going after a coach without much coaching chops...we just have to hope he gets better.

Some have speculated that Oklahoma or someone else might make a run for him...who knows.  Certainly an easier league to coach in than the Big East but I'm hopeful Buzz is here for the long haul and does well.

Chico's, he called him a 'very poor coach' if he thinks that and doesn't want him fired than there is something wrong with him.  Why would you want to keep a 'very poor' coach around for the nexgt 2.5 years?  Because he's a nice guy?

[Rudy]

The bright spot is that we are one game closer to Buzz not getting extended. He is a very nice guy and a very poor coach.

Buzz is not only a good coach, I think he is a very good coach. Toughest conference in basketball and we are holding serve with great promise in recruits coming in.  He has put together a nice team. They have not peaked yet. Freshman are getting better. These guys have not been playing togeher long. Have some patience.

Short sighted posts like this lead to nothing but problems. You will be eating your words within the next 24 months...unless unrealistic expecations cause Buzz to jump ship.

I lived through the years after Raymonds...especially tough with Dukiet...man it was tough watching this team. We still came to games, but our role was to get on the referees in order to impact the game.

Please folks, step back and look at the whole picture. We just flipped 2/3rds of our roster and we are doing fine.

Smee