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Tugg Speedman

I thought the talk of KL transferring to MU was all academic as we was going to Iowa State.  Well maybe not.

(Mods, I thought this new info deserved its own thread)

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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2011-02-05-2201453709_x.htm

Highlight ...

Lucious still talks with Izzo and said Izzo has vowed to help him find the right fit for his final year of eligibility.

"Everything just didn't work out, so I think it's time to move on," Lucious said. "We just didn't see eye-to-eye on things. Just little minor things that I could have done better on my part."

Allen is eligible to play his final season for Iowa State in 2011-12. Lucious would be eligible to play in 2012-13.

Lucious said he's also planning to visit Marquette in the next few weeks and is hoping to decide on where he'll transfer in about a month.


4everwarriors

I'd take Luscious for a season. Dude can play the point and did so in the championship game. Seen enough of this year's team to know we suck at the lead guard spot. With a year of practice, the cat could make a difference in his 5th year. I'd take the chance.
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Pakuni

Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 05, 2011, 01:43:51 PM
I'd take Luscious for a season. Dude can play the point and did so in the championship game. Seen enough of this year's team to know we suck at the lead guard spot. With a year of practice, the cat could make a difference in his 5th year. I'd take the chance.

Pass. He's a middling player with ouff-court issues and not worth tying up a scholarship for two years so he can play one.
Now, if he were willing to come sans scholarship for at least one of those year, then you might be on to something. Otherwise, I'd rather use the scholarship on a developing freshman than a senior-to-be.

NickelDimer

What if getting kicked off MSU was a wakeup call? And if it was what if he recommits himself to being the best person and bball player he can over the next year?  There's no doubt about his talent, it's his decision making that's been in question.

If you can get a focused, commited year out of a kid with his talent, it could be huge.
No Finish Line

4everwarriors

And Buzz has brought in such great point guards since he's been here. Obviously, Buzz sees the deficiency and is interested.
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

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Tugg Speedman

Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 05, 2011, 02:02:14 PM
And Buzz has brought in such great point guards since he's been here. Obviously, Buzz sees the deficiency and is interested.

What PG?  He would have to sit all next year and in 2013 the only PG we would have is Junior (who would be a senior) as Smith left.

Assuming that JC continues to progress and KL can get his act together, that would mean first rate PG play for 40 minutes every game.

Not saying we should take him but he is worth a look.  If he has his head together, they only reason I would pass is if a top 50 player/PG wants to commit.


GOO

Quote from: AnotherMU84 on February 05, 2011, 02:06:56 PM
What PG?  He would have to sit all next year and in 2013 the only PG we would have is Junior (who would be a senior) as Smith left.

Assuming that JC continues to progress and KL can get his act together, that would mean first rate PG play for 40 minutes every game.

Not saying we should take him but he is worth a look.  If he has his head together, they only reason I would pass is if a top 50 player/PG wants to commit.



We have D Wilson coming who will be a freshman this fall.  He is supposed to be good.

Litehouse

If Lucious comes here, it would look like a vote of no confidence in Junior.

Tugg Speedman

Why?  Is D. Wilson also a vote of no confidence.

JC was hurt last year.  We all remember Deiner's senior year.  You can never have too many PGs.

OhioGoldenEagle

Lets not forget about Dave Singleton here fellas.  Wasn't it Matthews who said that Singleton was one of the best "newcomers" during last summer's ProAm?

4everwarriors

Quote from: Litehouse on February 05, 2011, 02:16:40 PM
If Lucious comes here, it would look like a vote of no confidence in Junior.


So be it. This isn't peewee basketball any more. Lots of dollars and jobs at stake.
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Litehouse

Because Lucious would only be eligible to play for Jr.'s senior season.  D.Wilson will be 2 years behind Jr.  If Jr. would get injured, we would still have Wilson, Blue and even Singleton to run the point if necessary.

Litehouse

Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 05, 2011, 02:24:11 PM

So be it. This isn't peewee basketball any more. Lots of dollars and jobs at stake.

I agree.  I just think it would be telling of Buzz's real opinion of Jr's abilities.

Pakuni

Maybe I'm mistaken here, but aren't we talking about a kid who was shooting 31 percent from the floor this year (28.4 from beyond the arc) and has a career A/TO ratio of 1.6 to 1.
Vander Blue is being thrown under the bus around here for these kinds of numbers as a freshman and yet Lucious would be a great addition for one year?

I think people are remembering that he hit a couple of big shots in the tourney last year and forgetting that he's been a pretty average (at best) player during nearly three years at MSU. Nothing he's done in his career so far justifies burning two years of scholie for one year of play.

willie warrior

Why would we tie up a scholarship for a sit out year, and only get one year in retrurn? Nonsense.

We will have Jr. and Wilson, Blue can play point, and we can recruit another point next year.

This would make no sense.
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4everwarriors

Quote from: Pakuni on February 05, 2011, 02:29:45 PM
Maybe I'm mistaken here, but aren't we talking about a kid who was shooting 31 percent from the floor this year (28.4 from beyond the arc) and has a career A/TO ratio of 1.6 to 1.
Vander Blue is being thrown under the bus around here for these kinds of numbers as a freshman and yet Lucious would be a great addition for one year?

I think people are remembering that he hit a couple of big shots in the tourney last year and forgetting that he's been a pretty average (at best) player during nearly three years at MSU. Nothing he's done in his career so far justifies burning two years of scholie for one year of play.



You got Buzz' cell number? DiL his ass up. Buzz doesn't see it that way.
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

GGGG

Quote from: OhioGoldenEagle on February 05, 2011, 02:23:05 PM
Lets not forget about Dave Singleton here fellas.  Wasn't it Matthews who said that Singleton was one of the best "newcomers" during last summer's ProAm?


Was this supposed to be in teal?  Or do you really think a walk-on transfer from High Point is a better option than someone with 2.5 years of B10 basketball under his belt.

GGGG

Quote from: willie warrior on February 05, 2011, 02:31:53 PM
Why would we tie up a scholarship for a sit out year, and only get one year in retrurn? Nonsense.

See I agree with this.  That means that if we award our final 2011 scholarship, we would have none left for 2012.  IOW, someone would have to transfer, or someone would have to be Newbilled, for us to take the likes of Tokoto.

I don't agree that we should take him.

VanderBabyBlue

A pothead, drunk-driving, thief (allegedly).  This would be a very embarrassing move and would make me really question Buzz's judge of character.

4everwarriors

Tough standards. You're cuttin' out at least half of all college basketball players.
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"


Marquette65

we have 2 places left.  Isn't there an assumption Buzz is going to bring in a JUCO point?

Only way this works is if Lucious only ties up a scholarship for one year.

Tugg Speedman

Quote from: Marquette65 on February 05, 2011, 03:54:24 PM
we have 2 places left.  Isn't there an assumption Buzz is going to bring in a JUCO point?

Only way this works is if Lucious only ties up a scholarship for one year.

The assumption above is we have no others transfers.  We have had transfers every semester Buzz has been here.  This is not a knock against Buzz as this year D1 BBall has seen over 600 transfers and everyone gets them.  It's the way of the world now.

So, we might have more than 2 places, we'll have to see.

Pakuni

Quote from: AnotherMU84 on February 05, 2011, 04:01:15 PM
The assumption above is we have no others transfers.  We have had transfers every semester Buzz has been here.  This is not a knock against Buzz as this year D1 BBall has seen over 600 transfers and everyone gets them.  It's the way of the world now.

So, we might have more than 2 places, we'll have to see.


Regardless of the numbers, I'm not sure how to justify tying up a scholarship for two years for a player of Lucious' abilities. Rob Jackson was a unique situation because not only was a player at a huge position of need, but he was a really, really good college basketball player. Lucious is neither. There's nothing close to a guarantee that Lucious two years from now is better than Cadougan two years from now, in which case we've wasted two years of scholarship on one season off the bench.

This makes no sense whatsoever and I suspect many of those who think this is is a good idea are thinking more about Korie Lucious the top 100 high school player not Korie Lucious the kicked-off-the-team backup.


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