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finally We Pull One out and Did Not Totally Melt down
« on: January 29, 2011, 05:06:45 PM »
Congrats to the Warriors and Coach Buzz for finally pulling one of these out. It was not pretty in 2nd half, but we won and that is what counts. Now for some thoughts on Players and where we are at:
Crowder: An absolute stud
DJO: An absolute stud, but lose the stupid three point fouls DJO
Butler: An absloute stud
Buycks: Absolutely not a PG. Give it up Buzz
Otule: A total non factor; 1 rebound in 29 minutes and the tallest guy on the floor. Should only play about 8 minutes a game.
Blue: Totally lost out there, and cannot shoot from anywhere. Should only be playing minimal minutes
Fulce: a role player at best, and should not play in the post
Cadougan: Best ball distributor we have and needs to be on floor more. He can dish to anybody. He does not need to score--leave that to the three studs.
Gardner: Needs to develop but IMO adds more than the non factor Otule
Buzz: Can recruit--switchables, needs to land a quality big to prove his worth in recruiting. At this stage, he is an average coach at best, and is overpaid right now.
At least we finally got one.

Take that Bay-whine.
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Re: finally We Pull One out and Did Not Totally Melt down
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2011, 05:12:53 PM »
Here's hoping that hanging in and getting the W gives this group some confidence and helps them down the road in tight games.
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Re: finally We Pull One out and Did Not Totally Melt down
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2011, 05:17:44 PM »
Quote from: willie warrior on January 29, 2011, 05:06:45 PM
Congrats to the Warriors and Coach Buzz for finally pulling one of these out. It was not pretty in 2nd half, but we won and that is what counts. Now for some thoughts on Players and where we are at:
Crowder: An absolute stud
DJO: An absolute stud, but lose the stupid three point fouls DJO
Butler: An absloute stud
Buycks: Absolutely not a PG. Give it up Buzz
Otule: A total non factor; 1 rebound in 29 minutes and the tallest guy on the floor. Should only play about 8 minutes a game.
Blue: Totally lost out there, and cannot shoot from anywhere. Should only be playing minimal minutes
Fulce: a role player at best, and should not play in the post
Cadougan: Best ball distributor we have and needs to be on floor more. He can dish to anybody. He does not need to score--leave that to the three studs.
Gardner: Needs to develop but IMO adds more than the non factor Otule
Buzz: Can recruit--switchables, needs to land a quality big to prove his worth in recruiting. At this stage, he is an average coach at best, and is overpaid right now.
At least we finally got one.

Take that Bay-whine.
Otule's 29 minutes of playing time won the game.
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Re: finally We Pull One out and Did Not Totally Melt down
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2011, 05:18:44 PM »
Quote from: willie warrior on January 29, 2011, 05:06:45 PM
Congrats to the Warriors and Coach Buzz for finally pulling one of these out. It was not pretty in 2nd half, but we won and that is what counts. Now for some thoughts on Players and where we are at:
Crowder: An absolute stud
DJO: An absolute stud, but lose the stupid three point fouls DJO
Butler: An absloute stud
Buycks: Absolutely not a PG. Give it up Buzz
Otule: A total non factor; 1 rebound in 29 minutes and the tallest guy on the floor. Should only play about 8 minutes a game.
Blue: Totally lost out there, and cannot shoot from anywhere. Should only be playing minimal minutes
Fulce: a role player at best, and should not play in the post
Cadougan: Best ball distributor we have and needs to be on floor more. He can dish to anybody. He does not need to score--leave that to the three studs.
Gardner: Needs to develop but IMO adds more than the non factor Otule
Buzz: Can recruit--switchables, needs to land a quality big to prove his worth in recruiting. At this stage, he is an average coach at best, and is overpaid right now.
At least we finally got one.

Take that Bay-whine.

How about his 8 assists?
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Re: finally We Pull One out and Did Not Totally Melt down
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2011, 05:23:59 PM »
Quote from: jeffreyweee on January 29, 2011, 05:18:44 PM
How about his 8 assists?

His 5 rebounds were pretty good too.  His D wasn't bad either.
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Re: finally We Pull One out and Did Not Totally Melt down
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2011, 05:26:28 PM »
Just tell me you're happy. haha, what a great Saturday it is now
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Re: finally We Pull One out and Did Not Totally Melt down
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2011, 05:28:53 PM »
willie u just showed us u know nillie about bball
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Re: finally We Pull One out and Did Not Totally Melt down
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2011, 05:33:58 PM »
"Otule: A total non factor; 1 rebound in 29 minutes and the tallest guy on the floor."

You forgot that block at the end of the game.

Buzz said he was the player of the game because Crowder is more effective at teh 4 than the 5.   Crowder was highly effective today.
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Re: finally We Pull One out and Did Not Totally Melt down
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2011, 06:31:53 PM »
willie, Otule had a huge impact on this game.  His block at the end was nice, but he played great defense throughout the game and ate up space on offense.
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Re: finally We Pull One out and Did Not Totally Melt down
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2011, 06:34:31 PM »
Chris Otule played well. He can do other things than being a stat stuffer.
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Re: finally We Pull One out and Did Not Totally Melt down
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2011, 06:38:46 PM »
Otule played hard down in the paint (as usual) and drew attention which freed up Jae and jimmie. His block at the end was HUGE. He is a big contributor in this win. It is good to have gardner to come in and give him a blow.
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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2011, 06:42:08 PM »
Yes, Gardner and Otule provided 37 minutes today = HUGE
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Re: finally We Pull One out and Did Not Totally Melt down
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2011, 06:43:34 PM »
How does a guy as big as Otule get so few rebounds in so many minutes?  
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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2011, 06:46:30 PM »
He doesn't time his jumps well.  He's never going to be a great offensive player, but he defends well.  Don't be so concerned about stats.  Just look how much better the team is when he is in the game.  Very smart player.
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Re: finally We Pull One out and Did Not Totally Melt down
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2011, 06:53:47 PM »
Rick Jackson averages 12 boards a game.  Today 4 in 38 minutes of action.  This 6'9" 240 player would have dominated Jae and Jimmy today.  Boards would have been total different story. Boxing out takes effort and you may not get the rebound stat.
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Re: finally We Pull One out and Did Not Totally Melt down
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2011, 07:02:39 PM »
Otule was awesome today. Don't look at his statline, look at the statline of Syracuse's starting frontcourt. Jackson, Joseph, and Melo combined for 7 rebounds. CO may not have come up with the rebounds himself, but he kept them from getting to the ball time after time.
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Re: finally We Pull One out and Did Not Totally Melt down
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2011, 07:05:00 PM »
Buycks: 8:4 assists:turnovers
Junior: 2:2 (and zero points) 

Junior's a competent backup point. That's it.
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Re: finally We Pull One out and Did Not Totally Melt down
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2011, 07:35:55 PM »
Quote from: jeffreyweee on January 29, 2011, 05:18:44 PM
How about his 8 assists?
yeah, and his 4 TO's.
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Re: finally We Pull One out and Did Not Totally Melt down
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2011, 07:38:53 PM »
Quote from: mviale on January 29, 2011, 05:17:44 PM
Otule's 29 minutes of playing time won the game.
Also his 1 rebound in 29 minutes. By the way, did you notice when the second half started Otule contributed to a 4 point turnaround for Syracuse. he committed an offensive foul and then lost his man on D who scored. game went from 11 up to 7 up in 20 seconds.
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Re: finally We Pull One out and Did Not Totally Melt down
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2011, 07:41:11 PM »
Quote from: Boone on January 29, 2011, 07:05:00 PM
Buycks: 8:4 assists:turnovers
Junior: 2:2 (and zero points) 

Junior's a competent backup point. That's it.
Overall, Jr. has a much better Assist to TO ratio than Bikes. Look it up--you may be surprised.
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Re: finally We Pull One out and Did Not Totally Melt down
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2011, 07:42:39 PM »
Quote from: warriors1965 on January 29, 2011, 06:43:34 PM
How does a guy as big as Otule get so few rebounds in so many minutes?  

Watch him.   I believe, living with a person who can only see out of one eye and from what Chris himself has said, he has trouble with things close by quickly changing directions.   He can catch passes when he is ready for them, but if something comes rapidly at him changing vectors, he struggles.   So to compensate, and I saw him do this several times against UConn, he takes his guy and anybody else he can find and locks them up/moves them away, leaving the boards for Jimmy/Jae.    Today, 'Cuse's big guys did not dominate the boards.   Ergo, Chris must have done his job wrestling with them.    I know this will be difficult for the stat heads, Otule non-fans, Gardner fans, and Buzz non-fans, but quit worrying about how many boards Chris gets and instead pay attention to how many the guy he is guarding gets.    If his match-up is relatively neutralized with Jae and Jimmy comining for 15 or more boards, Chris is doing his job.  
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Re: finally We Pull One out and Did Not Totally Melt down
« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2011, 07:47:18 PM »
Quote from: willie warrior on January 29, 2011, 07:38:53 PM
Also his 1 rebound in 29 minutes. By the way, did you notice when the second half started Otule contributed to a 4 point turnaround for Syracuse. he committed an offensive foul and then lost his man on D who scored. game went from 11 up to 7 up in 20 seconds.
I believe this is the very definition of grasping at straws. 

Otule played 29 minutes and clearly limited the effectiveness of SU's big guys.  Without him, we get dominated and lose the game. 
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Re: finally We Pull One out and Did Not Totally Melt down
« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2011, 08:00:58 PM »
Quote from: tower912 on January 29, 2011, 07:42:39 PM
Watch him.   I believe, living with a person who can only see out of one eye and from what Chris himself has said, he has trouble with things close by quickly changing directions.   He can catch passes when he is ready for them, but if something comes rapidly at him changing vectors, he struggles.   So to compensate, and I saw him do this several times against UConn, he takes his guy and anybody else he can find and locks them up/moves them away, leaving the boards for Jimmy/Jae.    Today, 'Cuse's big guys did not dominate the boards.   Ergo, Chris must have done his job wrestling with them.    I know this will be difficult for the stat heads, Otule non-fans, Gardner fans, and Buzz non-fans, but quit worrying about how many boards Chris gets and instead pay attention to how many the guy he is guarding gets.    If his match-up is relatively neutralized with Jae and Jimmy comining for 15 or more boards, Chris is doing his job.

For once I went with the short version ;D

But I agree with everything here. Well said, tower.
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« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2011, 08:15:53 PM »
I did look up their respective assist-to-turnover ratios and JR's  ratio is NOT "much better" than Buycks'. Dwight's is 1.8:1 and JR's is 2.0:1.
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Re: finally We Pull One out and Did Not Totally Melt down
« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2011, 08:30:39 PM »
Quite honestly, Willie Warrior is another anti-MU guy. I'm so glad there's an ignore button!
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