MU a 4 Point Favorite Tonight

[NersEllenson]

The 2nd half of Notre Dame would have changed completely if instead of continuing the futility of the transition/penetrate offense that was clearly ineffective against ND's zone, we could have brought in a fundamentally sound shooter--like a Logermann, like a Christopherson, like a David Diggs--who could help force ND to abandon the zone.


Frankly, the debate started because some people refused to accept Chico's common sense point.  We have too many of the same type of player on the roster.  We have nobody that might be a more traditional shooter who could come in when ND goes to a zone, or Buzz wants to run clock but still get off a good shot in a slow-paced half-court offense.

And lets be honest--people refused to accept his point because it means that Buzz didn't put together the right 13 players to meet the situations we're going to face this year.  And we're paying for it with more losses that this team deserves to have.

Frankly 84 - your continued attempts to find reasons to be critical of Buzz Williams are getting lame.  Schott Christopehson, or Robb Logterman wouldn't fix the "problem" as you and Chicos see it...we shoot 37.5% as a TEAM from the 3 point line..good for 57th in the country...DJO shot 47% from the 3 last year..is far more athletic than Scott C, can defend better than Scott C.  The Big East is a meat grinder, and there are going to be some losses along the way - can you say Syracuse losing to Seton Hall?  Unless this team goes 33-0, pretty sure we could count on you and Chicos to have complaints.  It really gets old.

[NersEllenson]

Another fact 84 -Christopherson is shooting 2 of 12 from the 3 point line combined in ISU's 2 games this year against ranked opponents - and good for a total of 15 points, or 7.5 points per game.

He's put up decent numbers this year, but against fairly weak competition.  Put him on MU currently and in the Big East..he's continue to get shots/compete..as he has in the Big 12 against the Mizzou and Kansas.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Nonathletic players that can shoot three pointers and have 'proper form'.  Chicos contrasted 'traditional players' to what he claims we have - guys that are basketball players second.  Chicos believes we have mostly athletes that just happen to play basketball, so they are lacking in basketball fundamentals and he is frustrated by our three-point shooting.

Scott Christopherson of Iowa State and Josh Gasser of Wisconsin are two examples Chicos has provided as 'traditional players'.  This was before he realized that Gasser isn't some three point marksmen.  

In UCONN's case, they don't have a slow, "traditional" guy who can drill it from deep but isn't much of an athlete.

You missed some of my examples that I gave...like Mo Acker.  High basketball IQ, great off the ball, solid free throw shooter, solid overall shooter, good defender (for his size).....but that blows away your own racial BS thing now doesn't.  

Thanks for all the quotes and NOT including the actual examples I gave....go figure....way to paint a distorted picture and not surprisingly in the least.

[Jay Bee]

You missed some of my examples that I gave...like Wesley Matthews.  High basketball IQ, great off the ball, solid free throw shooter, solid overall shooter, good defender.....but that blows away your own racial thing now doesn't. 

Thanks for all the quotes and NOT including the actual examples I gave....go figure....way to paint a distorted picture and not surprisingly in the least.

No - weeks later you said that you would love to have "12 Wesley Matthews.. and he's not white!!!!!!!" You will always have an excuse, you will always change your story.. this is what you type of people do.  Your whole steez is text book.

"High basketball IQ, great off the ball, greater shooter, good defender".. hah.. so what ISN'T "traditional" then in your new, revised definition?  Bad IQ, poor off the ball, bad shooter, poor defender?  Backpedaling 101.

[ChicosBailBonds]

No - weeks later you said that you would love to have "12 Wesley Matthews.. and he's not white!!!!!!!" You will always have an excuse, you will always change your story.. this is what you type of people do.  Your whole steez is text book.

"High basketball IQ, great off the ball, greater shooter, good defender".. hah.. so what ISN'T "traditional" then in your new, revised definition?  Bad IQ, poor off the ball, bad shooter, poor defender?  Backpedaling 101.

No, that DAY I said Maurice Acker....not WEEKS LATER..try again douche.  What a F'ing douche, you just continue to complete ignore what I say.

Here's the link, it most certainly wasn't weeks later...it was the very day the thread was started and once I realized what complete dicks some of you were to be thinking racism, I clarified immediately.  Then you got on your Jimmy the Greek bullshyte.  Go f yourself Bee Jay.


http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=22194.msg242793#msg242793


Game. Set. Match....hours, not weeks later.

[Jay Bee]

No, that DAY I said Maurice Acker....not WEEKS LATER..try again douche.  What a F'ing douche, you just continue to complete ignore what I say.

Go f yourself Bee Jay.

Are you that upset that I am onto you?  Don't freak out on just me, lots of people can easily read your type. 

One of my favorites quotes from you was the, "If you would see where I live, who I have hired on my team, etc, etc you would know how silly your thoughts are."... haha...  so precious.

[NersEllenson]

No, that DAY I said Maurice Acker....not WEEKS LATER..try again douche.  What a F'ing douche, you just continue to complete ignore what I say.

Here's the link, it most certainly wasn't weeks later...it was the very day the thread was started and once I realized what complete dicks some of you were to be thinking racism, I clarified immediately.  Then you got on your Jimmy the Greek bullshyte.  Go f yourself Bee Jay.


http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=22194.msg242793#msg242793


Game. Set. Match....hours, not weeks later.

You getting a little upset that MU has rallied and is making this a game..and might win? 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Actually I'm thrilled we are winning, why wouldn't I be.  I think several people here that know me well will confirm that....facebook page, whatever....I always cheer for MU.


No, what I'm upset at is two dickslaps like yourself calling someone a racist and then LYING by saying I changed my tune weeks later.  I'd expect any second now the third musketeer to come here and say CODE WORD but hopefully would also tell each of you to man up since both of your comments today were factually INCORRECT and you just so happened to not list the African American players I also listed.  Imagine that....not surprising and sick on your part.

But evidence is the greatest exposure and both of you were exposed...or maybe you just missed it.  If that's the case, a simple apology will do.  I don't think either of you are capable of it.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Really, this is just about enough of this BS.  Can the mods PLEASE put an end to this?

[NersEllenson]

Actually I'm thrilled we are winning, why wouldn't I be.  I think several people here that know me well will confirm that....facebook page, whatever....I always cheer for MU.


No, what I'm upset at is two dickslaps like yourself calling someone a racist and then LYING by saying I changed my tune weeks later.  I'd expect any second now the third musketeer to come here and say CODE WORD but hopefully would also tell each of you to man up since both of your comments today were factually INCORRECT and you just so happened to not list the African American players I also listed.  Imagine that....not surprising and sick on your part.

But evidence is the greatest exposure and both of you were exposed...or maybe you just missed it.  If that's the case, a simple apology will do.  I don't think either of you are capable of it.

Have you lobbied for a Scott Christopherson?  Yes.  A Steve Novak?  Yes.  Josh Gasser?  Yes.  Have you suggested Wisconsin's "traditional" players just get it done, are more fundamentally sound, better free throw shooters etc?  Yes.  Is 80% of Wisconsin's roster and starting lineup white?  Yes.  See any correlation?  Probably not.

Let me know when you want to be done getting T-bagged.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Really, this is just about enough of this BS.  Can the mods PLEASE put an end to this?

What's an end to this is someone calling someone else a racist.  Yes, the Mods should put an end to this and not allow that absolute bullshyte.  That's what should happen.

And ners, Ken Pom, Vegas, etc.....not so good.


Go Warriors...beat Syracuse.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Have you lobbied for a Scott Christopherson?  Yes.  A Steve Novak?  Yes.  Josh Gasser?  Yes.  Have you suggested Wisconsin's "traditional" players just get it done, are more fundamentally sound, better free throw shooters etc?  Yes.  Is 80% of Wisconsin's roster and starting lineup white?  Yes.  See any correlation?  Probably not.

Let me know when you want to be done getting T-bagged.

Novak...yes.  He's in the NBA, I would think we would want a lot of players like Novak.  SC?  Yes....top 10 in the nation in 3 PT FG %, a Wisconsin kid.   Gasser?  No.  I asked if we recruited him, that's all I said.

For giggles, I'd also take Diener...I think he's white, too.  That must make me a racist, right douche?

You ignored Matthews, Acker, etc, etc that I listed....why is that?  To make your racist arguments?

Did you man up and apologize?  Of course not.  What an epic douche you are!

[NersEllenson]

Novak...yes.  He's in the NBA, I would think we would want a lot of players like Novak.  SC?  Yes....top 10 in the nation in 3 PT FG %, a Wisconsin kid.   Gasser?  No.  I asked if we recruited him, that's all I said.

For giggles, I'd also take Diener...I think he's white, too.  That must make me a racist, right douche?

You ignored Matthews, Acker, etc, etc that I listed....why is that?  To make your racist arguments?

Did you man up and apologize?  Of course not.  What an epic douche you are!

Hell no I'm not going to apologize - I'll defend MU's team and players till the end...and their JUCO roots.  Do we really need to revisit all of your complaining over the summer of our recruitment of JUCO's and the "stigma" that goes along with JUCO's?  If you can find one place where I've called you a "racist" I'll happily apologize.  The reality is that you have complained almost without end about our team and roster composition since the summer.  As for your mention of Acker and Matthews - Matthews best season as a 3 oint shooter is 36% - would that meet your requirements for traditional?  Gasser is an even worse shooter. And your boy Scott C - try 2 of 12 or 16% from 3 against ranked teams - Iowa State has only played 2 thus far.

And by the way - nice try with the name calling and such to try to get a rise out of others and bring them down to your level.  Not gonna work CBB.