Who is left

[MarkCharles]

Unbelieveable

Seriously. I didn't read it, but that looks like it took a lot of effort.

[BCHoopster]

I thought this was a basketball board, not a pissing match!

[bma725]

Bryant was well regarded out here. From St. Ray's in the city, most anyone with a brain who follows NYC hoops knew he was one of the best prospects in the northeast. Again, these rankings are notorious for their irrelevance. Sorry for stating Mazzulla was the starter. I should have just left it that he had two years left. I didn't write Cottrill came back to back with Bryant. I wrote that Cottrill was brought in only to be followed by two highly regarded PGs.

I see, now we're using the mythical Golden Avalanche scale to determine when some one is well regarded and when they aren't.  That makes things a lot more clear.  Glad to see the rankings are irrelevant when they don't fit your argument, but when they do, you continue to use them.  And FYI, they didn't get two PGs this week.  They got a PG and SG.  They consider Boatright to be a 2 guard in a PG body, and he'll be playing next to Hinds/Cottrill, not behind them.

This is a language discussion that bypasses the main point: Huggins is an elite recruiter who can stack talent regardless of what was brought in previously. That's the excuse that is bullcrap for MU. And today, Huggy Bear adds another forward/wing forward/wing guard (whatever the hell you want to term him) in Keaton Miles. Huggins' week blows away anything we've seen since McNeal/James.

You still haven't shown that.  All that you've shown so far is that Huggins can bring in lots of players at similar positions in consecutive classes.  Any coach in the country can do that.  Elite recruiters bring in highly regarded kids at the same position class after class....and Huggins hasn't done that until this year.  Bringing in 3-star after 3-star and occassionally pulling in a Top 100 kid does not make someone an elite recruiter.

[pbiflyer]

I thought this was a basketball board, not a pissing match!

Obviously, you are new around here. 

[GGGG]

Seriously. I didn't read it, but that looks like it took a lot of effort.

Anytime you use bullet points in a message board post, it automatically devalues your point.

[Golden Avalanche]

I see, now we're using the mythical Golden Avalanche scale to determine when some one is well regarded and when they aren't.  That makes things a lot more clear.  Glad to see the rankings are irrelevant when they don't fit your argument, but when they do, you continue to use them.  And FYI, they didn't get two PGs this week.  They got a PG and SG.  They consider Boatright to be a 2 guard in a PG body, and he'll be playing next to Hinds/Cottrill, not behind them.

You still haven't shown that.  All that you've shown so far is that Huggins can bring in lots of players at similar positions in consecutive classes.  Any coach in the country can do that.  Elite recruiters bring in highly regarded kids at the same position class after class....and Huggins hasn't done that until this year.  Bringing in 3-star after 3-star and occassionally pulling in a Top 100 kid does not make someone an elite recruiter.

Fair enough. I agree we disagree on relevancy of class rankings and Huggy being an elite recruiter. I have no interest in this as my main point has been sidetracked repeatedly as nerves have been struck.

[Strokin 3s]

I thought this was a basketball board, not a pissing match!

Obviously you haven't been paying attention the last couple of days.

[oldwarrior81]

Plenty of  "prime targets" remain, including Mike Shaw, Rodney Hood and Keith DeWitt.

JUCO forward Keith DeWitt picks Southern Miss
6-foot-11 power forward Keith DeWitt verbally committed to Southern Miss on Wednesday, according to the Jackson (Miss.) Clarion Ledger.

DeWitt originally signed with Missouri out of Charis Prep (N.C.) in 2009 but eventually ended up at Chipola College. He made is decision while on an official visit to Hattiesburg, Miss. last weekend.

[willie warrior]

Another one bites the dust. Hoping for Miller and Shaw.

[4everwarriors]

Obviously this is payback for Buzz cutting that dude from Philly who probably got in his head during the visit to USM.

[GGGG]

How seriously were we even recruiting DeWitt?

[tower912]

I don't know but running a search for his name makes it look like Buzz has tried to get him for a couple of years and just can't land him. 

[ATL MU Warrior]

He couldn't qualify to get into Missouri...realistically, what were the chances he was going to come to Marquette? 

Just sayin'

[MarkCharles]

He couldn't qualify to get into Missouri...realistically, what were the chances he was going to come to Marquette? 

Just sayin'

Isn't that the reason he spent two years at a JUCO? Similarly pissy statements could be made about all our JUCO players.

[GGGG]

He couldn't qualify to get into Missouri...realistically, what were the chances he was going to come to Marquette? 

God I absolutely hate this.  He went JUCO because he couldn't qualify right out of school.  (Like Buycks and Crowder)  In order to qualify, he has to complete his two year degree.  Are you under the impression that if he chose MU and met that criteria, that MU wouldn't admit him???  Please...

[ATL MU Warrior]

Isn't that the reason he spent two years at a JUCO? Similarly pissy statements could be made about all our JUCO players.

I'm not trying to be pissy or disrespect our JUCO players.  The fact of the matter is that all of our JUCO players didn't fail to qualify academically and require two years at their respective JUCOs, did they?  Let's see...Fulce (no), JFB (no), DJO (no), Crowder (I believe his first school lost its accreditation, so no).  

[ChicosBailBonds]

Joanie tells it like it is, all the while extending the olive branch to her sworn enemies. Joanie 84 - the Le Duc Tho of MU Scoop!

So nice to have you back in your latest incarnation. 

[GGGG]

I'm not trying to be pissy or disrespect our JUCO players.  The fact of the matter is that all of our JUCO players didn't fail to qualify academically and require two years at their respective JUCOs, did they?  Let's see...Fulce (no), JFB (no), DJO (no), Crowder (I believe his first school lost its accreditation, so no).  

Buycks and Crowder were non-qualifiers coming out of high school and needed to complete a JUCO degree to get two years of eligibility.  Fulce, JFB and DJO all qualified, but went the JUCO route for various reasons, and had three years of eligibility left.

The problem I had with your post is the idea that somehow MU wouldn't allow DeWitt in, even though we already have players that fit that exact same profile.  Why would DeWitt be any different???

[bma725]

I'm not trying to be pissy or disrespect our JUCO players.  The fact of the matter is that all of our JUCO players didn't fail to qualify academically and require two years at their respective JUCOs, did they?  Let's see...Fulce (no), JFB (no), DJO (no), Crowder (I believe his first school lost its accreditation, so no).  

Crowder didn't qualify out of high school and had to spend two years in JUCO, his school losing accreditation had nothing to do with that.  

Fulce and DJO were both non-qualifiers out of high school, they just chose to do a Prep School year first, where they became qualifiers, and then they went the JUCO route.  If Fulce had been a qualifier in the beginning, we would never have heard of him, because he would have gone straight to Texas A&M and used up his eligibility by now.

The only one of our JUCO players that was actually a qualifier straight out of high school was Butler.  The others either did 2 years of JUCO ball, or one year of Prep and one year of JUCO. 

[MarkCharles]

I'm not trying to be pissy or disrespect our JUCO players.  The fact of the matter is that all of our JUCO players didn't fail to qualify academically and require two years at their respective JUCOs, did they?  Let's see...Fulce (no), JFB (no), DJO (no), Crowder (I believe his first school lost its accreditation, so no).  

I know DJO failed to qualify because of grades, its just that he didn't need 2 years at a JUCO. I'd bet that the others have similar stories. Thats why people go to JUCO. Don't give me the "they went to improve their stock" argument. I'm not convinced that is the case except in extremely rare circumstances.

[GGGG]

Thank you for the clarification bma.

[MarkCharles]

Thank you for the clarification bma.

We've got questions, bma has answers

[GGGG]

He couldn't qualify to get into Missouri...realistically, what were the chances he was going to come to Marquette? 

Let me clarify this.

He could get into Missouri.  He could have gotten into MU.  He didn't meet the NCAA standards for qualification, that is why he went JUCO.

The idea that somehow we wouldn't take a fully qualified player is silly.  When is the last time we have ever denied entry to such a player...if ever???

[Ready2Fly]

Damian Saunders was "conveniently" denied admission. What a crock. I don't care that we oversigned, but there was no way he would have been denied admission had we only signed 3 that year. It was probably just a procedural thing to get him out of his NLI.

[jmayer1]

The idea that somehow we wouldn't take a fully qualified player is silly.  When is the last time we have ever denied entry to such a player...if ever???

Supposedly Damian Saunders, but I don't think that was the real reason he didn't make it on the court for MU.