Badgers add another player

[NCMUFan]

Is it just me, or is this term suddenly thrown around way too much? Ever since LeBron came into the NBA, every prospect that plays either the 3 or the 4 is a "point forward". Honestly, does anyone believe this kid, even if he is a top 150 type recruit, will be bringing the ball up the floor for Bucky, honing his distribution game just as much as he is his scoring and rebounding? True point forwards are rare in the NBA, acting as though every high major forward is a point forward is getting more than a bit silly.

We had Fitzgerald.

[thebadge10]

For a program that has only made it out of the first weekend of the NCAA only once in 15 years you guys sure talk a good game! Win something and get back to me!

[wadesworld]

For a program that has only made it out of the first weekend of the NCAA only once in 15 years you guys sure talk a good game! Win something and get back to me!

Hey little guy, who has a more recent Final Four appearance, Marquette or UW@Madison? Also, how many games has Bo Ryan beat a higher seed in the NCAA Tournament? Thanks in advance for the information!

[Golden Avalanche]

For a program that has only made it out of the first weekend of the NCAA only once in 15 years you guys sure talk a good game! Win something and get back to me!

If history had any bearing on fans remaining silent, you can start your 48 year moratorium any day now.

[ChicosBailBonds]

For a program that has only made it out of the first weekend of the NCAA only once in 15 years you guys sure talk a good game! Win something and get back to me!

When Bo gets to the Final Four, get back to us.  Hell, even horrible coach Tom Crean pulled that off.  What is Bo against higher seeds?  1-10? 

[PBRme]

How can a thread about a recruit for another team that we were not even pursuing NOT be considered SUPERBAR

[JWags85]

When Bo gets to the Final Four, get back to us.  Hell, even horrible coach Tom Crean pulled that off.  What is Bo against higher seeds?  1-10? 

Didn't you hear?  Bo and his Badgers have just gotten unlucky running into the hottest shooting team in the tourney every year, like Cornell (who then promptly lost to Kentucky) and UNLV (who then promptly lost to Oregon).

Its ironic and hypocritical that all they do over there is crow about how Marquette fans spin everything.

[MU B2002]

Yea...  All we do is complain that we would have beaten any other "10 seed" / "Team in our Pod" / "Team in the next round." We can't exactly cast the first stone about fans making NCAA excuses.  Sorry.

[GGGG]

Hey little guy, who has a more recent Final Four appearance, Marquette or UW@Madison? Also, how many games has Bo Ryan beat a higher seed in the NCAA Tournament? Thanks in advance for the information!

How recent is "recent"???

[karavotsos]

Bo coaches em up that's for sure though.   He's a team defense guru. 

And Cornell is the Showtime Lakers.

[augoman]

isn't there a baaaajr board that this leaker could troll around on?  why harrass us?

[ChicosBailBonds]

There's really nothing better than getting Becky all upset.  Too bad they can't face the reality of what their national perception is.  A good team, slow and ......

Is what it is.  5 pages worth before it was shut down.


http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=193&f=2565&t=6149352&p=1


Talk about overly sensitive over there.  They have a good team, fine student athletes (well, on the hoops squad at least), but this really bothers them. Why are some athletes choosing to stay away from Madison?   Academics?  LOL...though that's the comments by some.  Is it something else?   

The national perception of the Badgers, which may as well be reality, is slow, tall, white guys with flat tops.  It is what it is, it's not something out of thin air that was conjured up as a conspiracy or something.  What's the big deal, he gets the same types of kids in and out of the program and they do extremely well.  They compete well in a good league, win playing team basketball, the graduate their kids and 3 other clones come in the next year.  It is what it is.  Embrace it, Becky!

The thing is, if you read the thread attached, it's more than that.  It's bothersome....deeply bothersome to them.  The whole image goes against some of their progressive sensibilities, which is ironic as hell if they just opened up the window and looked at the Madison personae....a cookie cutter reflection of their squad.  The basketball team is picture perfect reflection of the state capital, in all it's glory.  LOL.  Bothered they are, especially the OP who "couldn't care less" except to start the thread.  It's the Summer, and yes, I got a kick out of that thread and probably shouldn't have posted it but it made me chuckle.  Becky is bothered.  LOL

[butchbadger]

There is also this image.  As one of the elite sports schools in the country.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball

Only Florida, O$U, and Texas rank higher.

If they threw in hockey...who knows?

[MarkCharles]

On the UW thread Chicos linked to, there was a link to an article about the recent AAU tournament in Las Vegas. In the article, Mike Shaw's AAU coach says his top 4 are Georgetown, Texas, Michigan St, UNLV, and says they are waiting to see if UNC or Duke offers materialize.

He never seemed likely to commit to MU, more so as his stock rises. Our best chance probably was getting him early. Oh well.

[GGGG]

Hold on...

Is that really Jeff Potrykus participating in a Scout board thread?  As Jeff Potrykus?

That is seriously embarrassing stuff for a supposed "journalist."

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Hold on...

Is that really Jeff Potrykus participating in a Scout board thread?  As Jeff Potrykus?

That is seriously embarrassing stuff for a supposed "journalist."

oh yeah, Pokey is a regular over there.

[HoopsMalone]

I like how one of the first things they said on the thread Chicos posted was that Vander would not fit in on that list of recruits.  They didn't say he wasn't smart enough to go there necessarily, but it's really too bad that all of those rumors about Vander not being elible as a reason for him not going to Madison.  It is not fair to Vander that people will keep making those comments.  The guy was 16-17 and people on message boards were questioning his intelligence and it still lingers...

Well, we will see how Bo does without the four star and five star players now.  He is a great coach, but he has had talent.  He is not finding guys in the woods in northern Wisconsin.  He was getting top talent and acheiving about the results a team should have with four and five star players.

[MarkCharles]

Hold on...

Is that really Jeff Potrykus participating in a Scout board thread?  As Jeff Potrykus?

That is seriously embarrassing stuff for a supposed "journalist."

Agree 100%. I take issue with the way Potrykus acts like your average internet poster when he should be maintaining some level of journalistic integrity. He doesn't necessarily do anything wrong, I just don't get why he feels the need to participate.

I called him out on the JSOnline Badger Blog for the way he had to respond to low-level trolls posting comments that he didn't agree with. Not even people saying bad things about UW, but idiots just trying to pick a fight. I had to call him unprofessional a couple times to get him to respond, and his defense left a lot to be desired.

I also really laughed when he called out someone who questioned a UW recruits' talent for being "uninformed"(and there were plenty of people calling their latest white guy "the 2nd coming of Pistol Pete" that he didn't need to call out). Um, if it weren't for uninformed opinions, the internet would have no reason to exist. We're all uninformed compared to a real journalist. Very childish, I thought. Potrykus is not my favorite sportswriter.

[MarkCharles]

I like how one of the first things they said on the thread Chicos posted was that Vander would not fit in on that list of recruits.  They didn't say he wasn't smart enough to go there necessarily, but it's really too bad that all of those rumors about Vander not being elible as a reason for him not going to Madison.  It is not fair to Vander that people will keep making those comments.  The guy was 16-17 and people on message boards were questioning his intelligence and it still lingers...

Well, we will see how Bo does without the four star and five star players now.  He is a great coach, but he has had talent.  He is not finding guys in the woods in northern Wisconsin.  He was getting top talent and acheiving about the results a team should have with four and five star players.

Exactly. What so many UW fans don't get is that Bo from '03-'07 had a ton talent in Madison. Top100 guys almost every year, sometimes a couple, and two legitimate 5 star recruits (although both had very un-5star careers). Uthoff is now the highest rated player UW has gotten in their '08-'12 classes, and he is still on the outside of the top100. The talent is starting to be watered down and it will be interesting to see if Bo can keep them at the same level. I have no doubt that Bo will have them in the tourney every year, and I like a lot of the players they have, but I think their program has peaked under Bo. Looking forward, their roster is comprised mostly of the type of player you usually think of as good complementary players.

Its almost sad reading that Scout board the way so many of them actually think they are getting Tokoto.

[MedicineHatSpanker]

4. Buzz saw him play and didn't think he was talented enough to play at MU.

5. Buzz saw him play, offered, but the 4.0 Valedictorian chose the Harvard of the Morraine.

[HoopsMalone]

Exactly. What so many UW fans don't get is that Bo from '03-'07 had a ton talent in Madison. Top100 guys almost every year, sometimes a couple, and two legitimate 5 star recruits (although both had very un-5star careers). Uthoff is now the highest rated player UW has gotten in their '08-'12 classes, and he is still on the outside of the top100. The talent is starting to be watered down and it will be interesting to see if Bo can keep them at the same level. I have no doubt that Bo will have them in the tourney every year, and I like a lot of the players they have, but I think their program has peaked under Bo. Looking forward, their roster is comprised mostly of the type of player you usually think of as good complementary players.

That swing works well when NBA players are running it.  It will probably run as well as the triangle offense runs in the NBA without the best player in the league running it for Phil Jackson.

For example, last year they had four players in their starting lineup who were 4-star players- Leur, Bohannon, Nankivil, and Hughes. They had similar results to what some of the Amigos teams had with similarly ranked talent.
 
But they will usually tell you that the Amigos underacheived, even though the Amigos did beat them when they had TWO five star players in Butch and Krabenhoft, plus a few other four stars around those guys.  Bo definately outrecruited Crean, but Crean was able to beat Bo with less talent so we need to tip our hats to Crean there.

Congrats to Bo for being able to recruit 5 star players.  We would all love that consistently.  But they are kidding themselving in Madison if they think Bo is taking guys with no talent and having strong teams.  If anything, Bo has met expectations rather than exceeding them.

[GGGG]

To Bo's defense, the guy really *can* coach.  He does get guys to fit that system and perform well within that system.  The problem is, without top talent, they have a ceiling.  They really can only go so far.

And the thing is, most Badger fans I know really don't care all that much.  Finish near the top of the B10...beat Duke at home in December...and win a NCAA tournament game and all is right with the world.  Honestly, not many people question whether the program could do better.

And of course, when the top local talent goes elsewhere, it's always because of something.  Bo didn't want for Jamil to make up his mind in spring.  When Vander decommited, Bo really didn't try all that hard to get him.  I mean, there is always a convenient excuse for why these kids go elsewhere.

[GGGG]

Agree 100%. I take issue with the way Potrykus acts like your average internet poster when he should be maintaining some level of journalistic integrity. He doesn't necessarily do anything wrong, I just don't get why he feels the need to participate.

I called him out on the JSOnline Badger Blog for the way he had to respond to low-level trolls posting comments that he didn't agree with. Not even people saying bad things about UW, but idiots just trying to pick a fight. I had to call him unprofessional a couple times to get him to respond, and his defense left a lot to be desired.

I also really laughed when he called out someone who questioned a UW recruits' talent for being "uninformed"(and there were plenty of people calling their latest white guy "the 2nd coming of Pistol Pete" that he didn't need to call out). Um, if it weren't for uninformed opinions, the internet would have no reason to exist. We're all uninformed compared to a real journalist. Very childish, I thought. Potrykus is not my favorite sportswriter.

If he wants to participate, just be some anonymous knob like the rest of us are.  Does he feel like since he's Jeff Potrykus that he carries some weight?  Pathetic.

[MUSF]

Exactly. What so many UW fans don't get is that Bo from '03-'07 had a ton talent in Madison. Top100 guys almost every year, sometimes a couple, and two legitimate 5 star recruits (although both had very un-5star careers).

Some may jump on me for throwing out the race card but...

I do think that racial stereotypes have a lot to do with some people's perceptions of both UW and MU's programs.  People see a roster with a lot of clean cut looking white kids and tend to assume that they are less talented, less athletic, overachievers.  People assume that Butch, Krabenhoft, Leur, and Bohannon fit that category, even though they were 4 or 5 star recruits.  I think some of us are guilty of this.

Conversely, I have heard the terms "streetballers" and "cocky thugs" thrown around by Badger fans in the past about MU's teams, with no real evidence to back up those claims.  Now I wonder what would make someone assume that about MU's bball team?

[ATWizJr]

To Bo's defense, the guy really *can* coach.  He does get guys to fit that system and perform well within that system.  The problem is, without top talent, they have a ceiling.  They really can only go so far.

And the thing is, most Badger fans I know really don't care all that much.  Finish near the top of the B10...beat Duke at home in December...and win a NCAA tournament game and all is right with the world.  Honestly, not many people question whether the program could do better.

And of course, when the top local talent goes elsewhere, it's always because of something.  Bo didn't want for Jamil to make up his mind in spring.  When Vander decommited, Bo really didn't try all that hard to get him.  I mean, there is always a convenient excuse for why these kids go elsewhere.

Finishing near the top of the BE, beating Duke anywhere and winning an NCAA game would be a good season for most teams and is not an indication that they don't care all that much.