Endless Internet Argument - A Summertime Tradition

[MUBurrow]

Oh no! And it's on one of their obscure, back-page blogs too! This is the end of MU basketball as we know it!

"It might've been somewhere towards the back..."

[ChicosBailBonds]

Oh no! And it's on one of their obscure, back-page blogs too! This is the end of MU basketball as we know it!

I mean this as a serious question, Chicos: What are you hoping to accomplish by constantly harping on this one story?

By posting a story about MU basketball on ESPN today, this is constantly harping on the story?  Wow.  It's on the front page of the ESPN College basketball page, by the way.  It's not like it took any effort to find it, right there for people to find.

Sorry MM, if I don't drink the Koolaid 24/7

I don't know why people just can't accept the reality of what happened.

MU offered a NLI to a kid that was probably a slight reach.  Kid accepted.  Another former MU recruit and Wisconsin state player wanted to transfer (and if you think that happened in April, you're smoking), so MU dumps kid for better prospect.

This is not hard.  If Jamil Wilson doesn't want to transfer is Newbill on the team?  Yes

Treat people properly, that shouldn't be too much to ask.  I'm sorry if you don't like that the largest Sports new company on planet earth is reporting it and someone had the audacity to post it on...wait for it...on a Marquette site when the article is about a Marquette player.  Oh the humanity.

[77ncaachamps]

Chicos, why do you ignore the timing of the post by Marquette's AD about contacting recruits?

When has that EVER happened on MUScoop?

I'm pretty sure they monitor these boards. So when they post - if they EVER post - it probably has to be pretty serious. So if Brad's contact constitutes a violation, do you think lowly of MU to back the heck away from DJ?

Heck, it may be an excuse but it surely wasn't on MU's part since they did not do the interviews.

[Benny B]

Is this that Easter Bunny and Santa Claus thing all over again?

Quite the opposite, indeed.  We all know the story behind the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus.  Nobody believes the illusion.  With DJ Newbill, all we have is the illusion.  Nobody knows the story behind it.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/13430/d-j-newbill-lands-on-his-feet

"Oh no, not oversigning.com! ESPN.com"

Which brings me to point 2.  If this is such a travesty of justice, then why has the story remained relegated to blogs and the back-page of a couple local newspapers? [Note - E. Brennan is not ESPN, and vice versa.  He happens to be a freelance guy who fills space on their website.  Claiming that anything on his blog constitutes ESPN "picking up on the story" is ridiculous.]

It seems to me that the media would love to expose a major university - Catholic one at that - who in a matter of a few weeks, has reneged on two high-profile "invitations" it made.  I've said it before -- stories & situations like this are cocaine to investigative journalists.  But alas, 60 Minutes, OTL, Hard Copy and Geraldo are nowhere to be found in Milwaukee.  Evidently, our sensationalistic, anti-religion, stand-up-for-the-little guy, media has decided there is no story here.

Even Rosiak hasn't chimed in on the matter except to reprint the public statements.  The Newbill camp wouldn't even call him back.

I don't know why people just can't accept the reality of what happened.

Because no one - you included, Chicos - knows the reality of what happened.  If you have concrete evidence to suggest otherwise, please come forward.

[MUfan12]

Chicos, why do you ignore the timing of the post by Marquette's AD about contacting recruits?

When has that EVER happened on MUScoop?

I'm pretty sure they monitor these boards. So when they post - if they EVER post - it probably has to be pretty serious. So if Brad's contact constitutes a violation, do you think lowly of MU to back the heck away from DJ?

Heck, it may be an excuse but it surely wasn't on MU's part since they did not do the interviews.

BINGO.

Please address this, because I've been on these boards since the very first Rivals incarnation, and I've never seen that.

[GGGG]

Treat people properly, that shouldn't be too much to ask.  I'm sorry if you don't like that the largest Sports new company on planet earth is reporting it and someone had the audacity to post it on...wait for it...on a Marquette site when the article is about a Marquette player.  Oh the humanity.

I agree with you Chicos, but having a backpage blogger posting about it isn't the same as having the "largest Sports new (sic) company on planet earth reporting it."

[TJ]

Chicos, why do you ignore the timing of the post by Marquette's AD about contacting recruits?

When has that EVER happened on MUScoop?

I'm pretty sure they monitor these boards. So when they post - if they EVER post - it probably has to be pretty serious. So if Brad's contact constitutes a violation, do you think lowly of MU to back the heck away from DJ?

Heck, it may be an excuse but it surely wasn't on MU's part since they did not do the interviews.

If it was a violation, then wouldn't it still be a violation regardless of whether MU "backed away" or not?  Do schools really get to claim no violation occurred if they simply cut ties with the athlete?

[Mobot]

Chicos, why do you ignore the timing of the post by Marquette's AD about contacting recruits?

Didn't the AD post have more to do with what was happening on UStream?  I think it was posted a day or two after the UStream video went up.  The UStream post was deleted immediately after by a mod.

[Litehouse]

If it was a violation, then wouldn't it still be a violation regardless of whether MU "backed away" or not?  Do schools really get to claim no violation occurred if they simply cut ties with the athlete?

The rule says that if this type of improper contact takes place, the player is ineligible to attend that particular school.  So technically, it's not a violation unless he comes here.

[Litehouse]

Didn't the AD post have more to do with what was happening on UStream?  I think it was posted a day or two after the UStream video went up.  The UStream post was deleted immediately after by a mod.

There were work-out/highlight videos of Newbill posted much earlier (maybe in May?) by this same person.

[77ncaachamps]

The rule says that if this type of improper contact takes place, the player is ineligible to attend that particular school.  So technically, it's not a violation unless he comes here.

Therefore, DJ being ruled ineligible from the improper contact strikes all of Chicos arguments.

And by honoring the scholarship, MU jeopardizes their program with a possible violation.

If you're correct...

[mu_hilltopper]

(I am unaware of any UStream video.  What was it?)

Bradforster had posted an interview with Newbill 6 WEEKS prior to MU requesting DJ ask for his release.    There's zero chance MU missed that video.

If you want to draw the conclusion that Newbill was somehow tainted by violations, ergo, MU posted a warning here, that's super .. except you have to explain why MU did NOT do so 6 weeks when the initial video was posted.

The MU athletic department's posting on MUScoop was their effort at due diligence, for what was discussed (here) as a minor violation, since it happens about 18 million times a year and the schools have very little control over their fans (and fans of rivals, who'd like to get them in trouble.)

[77ncaachamps]

Ahhh, yes. Thank you Oh Great Wizard of MUScoop.

[Litehouse]

(I am unaware of any UStream video.  What was it?)

Bradforster had posted an interview with Newbill 6 WEEKS prior to MU requesting DJ ask for his release.    There's zero chance MU missed that video.

If you want to draw the conclusion that Newbill was somehow tainted by violations, ergo, MU posted a warning here, that's super .. except you have to explain why MU did NOT do so 6 weeks when the initial video was posted.

The MU athletic department's posting on MUScoop was their effort at due diligence, for what was discussed (here) as a minor violation, since it happens about 18 million times a year and the schools have very little control over their fans (and fans of rivals, who'd like to get them in trouble.)

Maybe MU didn't realize the person that did the video/interview satisfied the definition of a booster?  Maybe they thought it was done by a regular member of the media?  I don't think MU and Newbill parted was just because the videos, but it certainly didn't help the situation.  Maybe it was a culmination of things?

[MerrittsMustache]

By posting a story about MU basketball on ESPN today, this is constantly harping on the story?  Wow.  It's on the front page of the ESPN College basketball page, by the way.  It's not like it took any effort to find it, right there for people to find.

Sorry MM, if I don't drink the Koolaid 24/7

I don't know why people just can't accept the reality of what happened.

MU offered a NLI to a kid that was probably a slight reach.  Kid accepted.  Another former MU recruit and Wisconsin state player wanted to transfer (and if you think that happened in April, you're smoking), so MU dumps kid for better prospect.

This is not hard.  If Jamil Wilson doesn't want to transfer is Newbill on the team?  Yes

Treat people properly, that shouldn't be too much to ask.  I'm sorry if you don't like that the largest Sports new company on planet earth is reporting it and someone had the audacity to post it on...wait for it...on a Marquette site when the article is about a Marquette player.  Oh the humanity.

Yep, I believe you're constantly harping on this topic because of just one innocent, little post  

Do you have anything besides circumstantial evidence that proves that Newbill is only gone because Wilson wanted to come to MU? Or how about anything that proves "the reality of what happened?"

You also didn't answer my question so I'll try phrasing it differently.

Given that most other posters seem to disagree with you or are indifferent to the Newbill saga or have moved on from this story, what do you hope to accomplish by continuously re-stating your opinion on this topic?

[Mobot]

(I am unaware of any UStream video.  What was it?)

I sent you a PM.  The original thread appears to have been deleted.

[bilsu]

I would think MU cannot really control us or any other booster. However, they cannot have a blind eye to it. Ignoring it would in my mind fall under a lack of institutional control. MU must show that they try to prevent outside things from happening, which is different than actually preventing them. I think in most cases of probation you see the lack of institutional control charge.

[reinko]

Yep, I believe you're constantly harping on this topic because of just one innocent, little post  

Do you have anything besides circumstantial evidence that proves that Newbill is only gone because Wilson wanted to come to MU? Or how about anything that proves "the reality of what happened?"

You also didn't answer my question so I'll try phrasing it differently.

Given that most other posters seem to disagree with you or are indifferent to the Newbill saga or have moved on from this story, what do you hope to accomplish by continuously re-stating your opinion on this topic?

Little ironic you are berating Chicos for obsessing about something that most of us had moved on from, seeing that you are equally if not more obsessed about trying to prove him wrong.  Here is a tip, you can let it go too chief...just don't respond.  And of course, thee is always the ignore button.

[MerrittsMustache]

Little ironic you are berating Chicos for obsessing about something that most of us had moved on from, seeing that you are equally if not more obsessed about trying to prove him wrong.  Here is a tip, you can let it go too chief...just don't respond.  And of course, thee is always the ignore button.

What can I say? I minored in psychology and I find Chicos' posts and thought-processes to be fascinating at times.

[Skatastrophy]

What can I say? I minored in psychology and I find Chicos' posts and thought-processes to be fascinating at times.

Trolling... FOR SCIENCE!

[mu_hilltopper]

Maybe MU didn't realize the person that did the video/interview satisfied the definition of a booster?  Maybe they thought it was done by a regular member of the media?  I don't think MU and Newbill parted was just because the videos, but it certainly didn't help the situation.  Maybe it was a culmination of things?

I'm going to go with no on all those questions.  I have faith that the folks in MU's athletic dept. are pretty sharp and, after seeing a video of one of their recruits posted on a MU board (which they monitor) that they'd use that complex tool called Google to figure out who posted it and what their credentials are, if any.

As for a 'culmination' of things, if you mean a better player came along and 'culminated' Newbill out of his scholarship, well yes.   

[ChicosBailBonds]

Let me be as succinct as possible.

MU should not be accepting NLI's unless they plan on honoring them.  I hope we do a hell of a better job in the future in keeping the very simple premise as it would avoid and of this nonsense that the school has had to go through.

We can all speculate who said what, when it was said, etc, etc.  The fact of the matter is, honor your NLI or simply don't accept it for a kid you're not sure about, and this situation doesn't happen, the conjecture \ speculation doesn't happen, etc. 

[avid1010]

Let me be as succinct as possible.

MU should not be accepting NLI's unless they plan on honoring them.  I hope we do a hell of a better job in the future in keeping the very simple premise as it would avoid and of this nonsense that the school has had to go through.

We can all speculate who said what, when it was said, etc, etc.  The fact of the matter is, honor your NLI or simply don't accept it for a kid you're not sure about, and this situation doesn't happen, the conjecture \ speculation doesn't happen, etc. 

Here we go again.  Your black and white rules don't work.  You need to add stipulations of when it's alright to back out of a NLI and when it's not.  If the kid does something illegal and gets caught?  If a kid continues to pursue other schools?  If a kid is told the scholarship might not stand?  If a kid doesn't get his paperwork in? 

[TJ]

The MU athletic department's posting on MUScoop was their effort at due diligence, for what was discussed (here) as a minor violation, since it happens about 18 million times a year and the schools have very little control over their fans (and fans of rivals, who'd like to get them in trouble.)

I've bought merchandise from another major institution for my wife who went there, so now I get their emails.  They send out a large mass email about compliance at least 2 times a year.  I'm surprised MU doesn't do that.

[MUBurrow]

Here we go again.  Your black and white rules don't work.  You need to add stipulations of when it's alright to back out of a NLI and when it's not.  If the kid does something illegal and gets caught?  If a kid continues to pursue other schools?  If a kid is told the scholarship might not stand?  If a kid doesn't get his paperwork in? 

If it wouldn't get the kid kicked out of school, it shouldnt get an LOI rescinded. That also takes care of all this recruiting irregularity nonsense.