Endless Internet Argument - A Summertime Tradition

[HoopsMalone]

Can Buzz or the staff ever talk about it?  When the school year starts and these guys are no longer recruits, can they discuss a recruitment?  I remember Buzz talked about Blue's and Jones' recruiting process a little bit already. 

When can Buzz clear the air?

[77ncaachamps]

Can Buzz or the staff ever talk about it?  When the school year starts and these guys are no longer recruits, can they discuss a recruitment?  I remember Buzz talked about Blue's and Jones' recruiting process a little bit already.  

When can Buzz clear the air?

All I know is if my sig(nature) is correct, he definitely cannot say anything since DJ hasn't started the first day of class (and probably hasn't participated in an official practice - before classes start).

[HoopsMalone]

All I know is if my sig(nature) is correct, he definitely cannot say anything since DJ hasn't started the first day of class (and probably hasn't participated in an official practice - before classes start).

So once he starts class and is officially a student at So. Miss., then Buzz can talk about it if he wants?

[GGGG]

There is no reason for Buzz to say anything but "I'm glad DJ landed on his feet."  For 99% of the MU fanbase, this issue is dead...if they ever cared to begin with.

[NCMUFan]

Can Buzz or the staff ever talk about it?  When the school year starts and these guys are no longer recruits, can they discuss a recruitment?  I remember Buzz talked about Blue's and Jones' recruiting process a little bit already. 

When can Buzz clear the air?

What is the benefit of clearing the air?  For a couple fans curiosity?  They will just move on.  Its a past issue if an issue for them at all. 

[Marquette84]

Honestly - If Marquette is lying (as you obviously think they are) about DJ and his family knowing about the conditions/possibilities then yes. If MU is telling the truth then no.

You have a very interesting position on this.

The NLI program prohibits such side deals.

Yet you think MU is off the hook because they made one with Newbill anyway and he didn't understand it?

[willie warrior]

The truth is that this kid was screwed, and MU/Buzz was in the thick of it. Take off all your rose colored glasses!

[kmwtrucks]

I'm going to really root for DJ, MBAO and Liam.  I hope they all do great. 

[4everwarriors]

Simply put, MU recruited over Newbill. No other way to spin it. Old timers like myself are just going to have to get used to today's recruiting tactics. In a sense, it's no different than the recruit asking for his release and "screwing" over the coach. Happens at virtually every school today and I'm certain will occur again at Marquette when the opportunity arises.

[Litehouse]

Nothing in life is free.  MU didn't fulfill its end of the "promise" but DJ wasn't exactly on top of his obligations either.

Benny's Life Secret #14:  If you accept a scholarship, job, or some other type of offer, live up to your end of the deal.  And don't be the person that accepts an offer and then shops it around (not even Michael Scott would do that).  Otherwise, don't act surprised when you're called out.

I've seen this implied a few times now by different posters, that Newbill's camp was perhaps shopping around with different schools to see if he could get a better offer after his stock started to rise.  I have no idea if it's true, but if it is, I'd be more comfortable with MU's actions.

[bilsu]

I've seen this implied a few times now by different posters, that Newbill's camp was perhaps shopping around with different schools to see if he could get a better offer after his stock started to rise.  I have no idea if it's true, but if it is, I'd be more comfortable with MU's actions.

It seems more likely that as he improved he no longer wanted to be a bench warmer at MU.

[bilsu]

I have been skeptical of his versions of things from the very moment he arrived.

I think Coach Laws was part of the problem. Very unusual to have a coach posting on our boards. I find it interesting that shortly after Newbill losses scholarship we get a warning post from MU staff about talking to recruits. I think Buzz thought Newbill was not worth the potential trouble that was coming with him. This is not a knock on Newbill, but the people who were his so called advisors. This was to soon after Maymon situation for Buzz.

[Litehouse]

It seems more likely that as he improved he no longer wanted to be a bench warmer at MU.

I agree and I wouldn't blame him.  By better offer, I didn't necessarily mean he was on the phone with Kansas or UNC.

[HoopsMalone]

I find it interesting that shortly after Newbill losses scholarship we get a warning post from MU staff about talking to recruits.

When?  Where?  I don't remember that.  Do you have a link?

[bma725]

From Danielle Josetti, associate athletic director for compliance...

Fans, please remember that you are considered a booster by NCAA standards if you are an alum, season ticket holder, donor, among other things.  If any of our boosters contact our recruits, that recruit will be ineligible to come to Marquette.  Please do not ever contact any of our recruits or their parents.  This means do not contact them in person, by e-mail, Facebook, Twitter, conduct interviews, etc.  You need to leave the recruiting to the coaches we have hired.  You can certainly feel free to contact our staff if you have information about a recruit that you think we should have.  We appreciate your support and your enthusiasm, but we need to make sure that you aren't doing something that violates NCAA rules.  For more information on NCAA rules, please refer to our website at http://www.gomarquette.com/compliance/ncaa-rules-guide.html or contact me at danielle.josetti@marquette.edu.

Thanks and Go Marquette!

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=20985.0

[Big Papi]

From Danielle Josetti, associate athletic director for compliance...

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=20985.0

So if Brad is in fact a MU grad, his interview with DJ Newbill in essence caused DJ to be ineligible at MU?  If true then Brad and DJ can only blame each other.

[HoopsMalone]

Thanks bma

[Benny B]

Simply put, MU recruited over Newbill. No other way to spin it. Old timers like myself are just going to have to get used to today's recruiting tactics. In a sense, it's no different than the recruit asking for his release and "screwing" over the coach. Happens at virtually every school today and I'm certain will occur again at Marquette when the opportunity arises.

If MU knows that they are losing a player (leaving school, transferring, not eligible, etc.) but no public announcement is made until Buzz & Co has found the replacement, is that considered "recruiting over" the other guy?

The reason I ask is that some people have concluded that nobody (including Newbill's camp) saw DJ's release coming until the Jamil announcement was made, and therefore make the assumption that Jamil's transfer caused DJ's release (i.e. Jamil was "recruited over" DJ).

But who's to say that the writing hasn't been on the wall for both sides to see for a couple months now?  Someone please explain why it is not plausible that DJ's release caused Jamil's transfer instead.

Better yet, explain what MU should do to avoid the negative stigma attached to "recruiting over" someone who is already known (albeit not publicly) to be leaving the team?

[HoopsMalone]

If MU knows that they are losing a player (leaving school, transferring, not eligible, etc.) but no public announcement is made until Buzz & Co has found the replacement, is that considered "recruiting over" the other guy?

The reason I ask is that some people have concluded that nobody (including Newbill's camp) saw DJ's release coming until the Jamil announcement was made, and therefore make the assumption that Jamil's transfer caused DJ's release (i.e. Jamil was "recruited over" DJ).

But who's to say that the writing hasn't been on the wall for both sides to see for a couple months now?  Someone please explain why it is not plausible that DJ's release caused Jamil's transfer instead.

Better yet, explain what MU should do to avoid the negative stigma attached to "recruiting over" someone who is already known (albeit not publicly) to be leaving the team?

Everyone has to guess unless Buzz comes out and tells the story.  You can connect any dots you want: 
-DJ didn't do his application,
-an alum (I think Forster is?) made a documentary about him while he was still a recruit which breaks a rule apparently,
-things didn't happen until a top recruit from WI wanted to come making the timing suspicious,
-DJ was never on the ProAm roster,
-Buzz said one recruit may go to prep school,
-DJ's side apparently said he was never going to prep school
-Rumors that MU told DJ he may have to go to prep school since MU had other needs besides guard, and DJ knew this risk going in

You can take these facts and a few others and re-arrange and spin them however you want.  Everyone is just guessing, though.  I don't know if Buzz would gain much by clearing it up because it would likely involve saying something negative about Newbill, but it is the only thing that could fully clear the air. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/13430/d-j-newbill-lands-on-his-feet


"Oh no, not oversigning.com! ESPN.com"

[4everwarriors]

If MU knows that they are losing a player (leaving school, transferring, not eligible, etc.) but no public announcement is made until Buzz & Co has found the replacement, is that considered "recruiting over" the other guy?

The reason I ask is that some people have concluded that nobody (including Newbill's camp) saw DJ's release coming until the Jamil announcement was made, and therefore make the assumption that Jamil's transfer caused DJ's release (i.e. Jamil was "recruited over" DJ).

But who's to say that the writing hasn't been on the wall for both sides to see for a couple months now?  Someone please explain why it is not plausible that DJ's release caused Jamil's transfer instead.

Better yet, explain what MU should do to avoid the negative stigma attached to "recruiting over" someone who is already known (albeit not publicly) to be leaving the team?

Is this that Easter Bunny and Santa Claus thing all over again?

[MerrittsMustache]

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/13430/d-j-newbill-lands-on-his-feet


"Oh no, not oversigning.com! ESPN.com"

Oh no! And it's on one of their obscure, back-page blogs too! This is the end of MU basketball as we know it!

I mean this as a serious question, Chicos: What are you hoping to accomplish by constantly harping on this one story?

[mu-rara]

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/13430/d-j-newbill-lands-on-his-feet


"Oh no, not oversigning.com! ESPN.com"

Chicos, would you have posted the link if it had even hinted that there were 2 sides to the story?

[77ncaachamps]

"For the crime of being not quite as talented as Wilson, Newbill's offer was soon rescinded."

Do we REALLY know that was the reason? C'mon....

MU haters think so, but since Buzz and the now-legally-silenced DJ have not stated the real reasons, it's all conjecture.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Chicos, would you have posted the link if it had even hinted that there were 2 sides to the story?

I posted the link because a few weeks ago people were taking shots that it was only small blogs that had the story, as if that mattered (there is stuff that smaller blogs or papers run all the time on the gov't, etc, that the "big boys" don't bother or CHOOSE not to).

Now that it's been picked up by ESPN, I thought it should be posted only to answer those that claimed only smaller outlets were reporting it.

Simple as that, which is exactly why I posted the direct quote below it from one of the posters claiming it was "only on oversigning.com".  No, it's not anymore.