Video Summary Of Marquette's Newbill Recruitment

[MUfan12]

If it's supposedly all accurate, and was filmed before this all went down, then why take it down?

Something's not adding up.

[wyoMUfan]

Maybe he is at the gym with stan laws grabbing some more footage (from back in the spring) to add and increase credibility...

[NavinRJohnson]

Something's not adding up.

Ya think? Let me save Brad the trouble of creating an explanation...

"I got a call from the Newbill Family's attorney, asking me to remove the video, even though everything in it was true, blah, blah, blah..."

[bradforster]

Lol.  I am amused to say the least with the comments stemming from the video.  I have a feeling if I walked on campus right now I may meet an untimely demise by stoning or something far worse.  I am equally amused by this talk of a personal agenda.  For the umpteenth time, I simply wanted to provide a feature on an incoming recruit.  Heck, I did one for the Duke fans on Kyrie Irving.  I have no affiliation with Duke.  I haven't even been to the campus.

I am just as ardent a follower of the MU basketball program as any of you.  I called the games during my time on campus and worked closely with the basketball team during the Mike Deane tenure.  I attended games last year when I moved to the East coast.  I haven't missed a game on TV in forever.  

As I spent time with Stan, DJ, and others associated with them I developed a rapport with the group and ultimately a friendship. When I heard Buzz Williams hadn't so much as called DJ and his family to break the news of Marquette's plans to move forward without DJ, I felt disappointed.  This is a man who continually speaks of high morals and ethical standards.  His actions in this instance didn't match the words nor the passion with which he delivers them.    

On a side note, I asked DJ and Stan before a BB tournament on June 11th (not even a month ago) about the prep school topic because speculation was already running rampant on this board.  I felt compelled to ask if they knew anything about it.  They both said prep school had never been discussed.  They were fervent about DJ joining the Marquette BB team.  

If the folks on MU Scoop want to castigate me for putting an opinion piece together based on my own research and feelings about the situation, that's your right.  I certainly won't take the name calling personally because I knew an overwhelmingly vitriolic response was a distinct possibility by offering a different point of view.

[bradforster]

The video has been removed because I'm adding a disclaimer to the end based on a suggestion by Chicos.   

[MarquetteDano]

If the folks on MU Scoop want to castigate me for putting an opinion piece together based on my own research and feelings about the situation, that's your right.  I certainly won't take the name calling personally because I knew an overwhelmingly vitriolic response was a distinct possibility by offering a different point of view.

Brad:

  Not everyone is against you.  I applaud your search for the truth.  Hopefully the full truth will come out one day.  I hope the truth does not put Buzz in a bad light, but I fear it will.  Either way, I will respect the facts not ignore them.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Why are people blaming Brad, myself, and others for bringing down MU?  Good grief, this sounds like what happens in the political world today....when in doubt, discredit the messenger.  Or calling their employer, try to get them fired (Brad, trust me...it's happened before, that's how ridiculous some of this stuff is for some people...CURA PERSONALIS)

Here's a newsflash folks, if MU PUT THEMSELVES IN THIS POSITION, not Brad Forester.  Not anyone else on this board.

All this guy has done is provide their side of the story, and he's the evil person for doing this?  What the heck has happened to some of you?  I always thought MU taught us to pursue the truth. Doesn't that journey include BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY?   As many have stated, more than likely the truth is somewhere in between what we have heard from both sides, but don't kill the messenger(s) for simply bringing up another point of view.

And finally, this absolute horsecrap from sone accusing others on this board being anti-MU, or wanting it's destruction, etc, is so totally unfair and ridiculous on all levels.  A lot of people here have worked their tails off to promote MU in a positive light over the years through their business contacts, marketing, etc.  That's what alums do.   But you know what, alums also care about the Marquette BRAND, care about how things are done and how the university is perceived.  And if standing up for those beliefs means a bunch of people who don't give a crap about those things will do nothing but attack others, threaten them with job losses, etc, etc....well, it's gone way too far!

[MUBBau]

I don't buy that the only reason prep school was brought up was because people on THIS message board had started talking about it. People on here like to assume things and if that warrants questioning about a certain subject, well you know what they say about those that assume...

[mu_hilltopper]

Why are people blaming Brad, myself, and others for bringing down MU?  Good grief, this sounds like what happens in the political world today....when in doubt, discredit the messenger.  Or calling their employer, try to get them fired (Brad, trust me...it's happened before, that's how ridiculous some of this stuff is for some people...CURA PERSONALIS)

Here's a newsflash folks, if MU PUT THEMSELVES IN THIS POSITION, not Brad Forester.  Not anyone else on this board.

All this guy has done is provide their side of the story, and he's the evil person for doing this?  What the heck has happened to some of you?  I always thought MU taught us to pursue the truth. Doesn't that journey include BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY?   As many have stated, more than likely the truth is somewhere in between what we have heard from both sides, but don't kill the messenger(s) for simply bringing up another point of view.

And finally, this absolute horsecrap from sone accusing others on this board being anti-MU, or wanting it's destruction, etc, is so totally unfair and ridiculous on all levels.  A lot of people here have worked their tails off to promote MU in a positive light over the years through their business contacts, marketing, etc.  That's what alums do.   But you know what, alums also care about the Marquette BRAND, care about how things are done and how the university is perceived.  And if standing up for those beliefs means a bunch of people who don't give a crap about those things will do nothing but attack others, threaten them with job losses, etc, etc....well, it's gone way too far!

+1000

The extent to which people are bending, twisting, and outright maligning, to fulfill their own prejudices is really stunning.   

[Litehouse]

+1000

The extent to which people are bending, twisting, and outright maligning, to fulfill their own prejudices is really stunning.

This is supposed to be teal right?  Because that comment in response to that particular post might be the best use of sarcasm I've ever seen on this board.

[Ari Gold]

something disappeared. So I guess Personal attacks on people that are challenging Buzz and MU are ok but personal 'attacks' on people that Defend MU are Buzz are just completely unacceptable?

I'll at least give warrior07 credit. most of MUscoop has become a bunch of unhinged retarded fucking fanboys and most of the bullshit on this board isn't worth reading anymore.

[Tom Crean's Tanning Bed]

This is supposed to be teal right?  Because that comment in response to that particular post might be the best use of sarcasm I've ever seen on this board.

+1 times how many ever 0s I can type before the 0 key on my keyboard falls off due to excessive use.

Hilltopper, does your statement also include those who have come to this board with a clear agenda to malign MU because things didn't work out for former player/filming subject? Or should those of us that have great doubt in this story just roll over and let the crazies run wild as they have on this board relatively unchecked for the last week spewing whatever claims they want to make about the integrity of the university, coaching staff, athletic department, and basketball porgam without any basis in fact?

[mu_hilltopper]

No, no personal attacks are acceptable.  As I wrote a few days ago, pleading for better behavior, we have failed at moderating them to a great extend due to the volume.

And no, I never use teal, and my previous comment was not to be interpreted as sarcasm.

[jesmu84]

On a side note, I asked DJ and Stan before a BB tournament on June 11th (not even a month ago) about the prep school topic because speculation was already running rampant on this board.  I felt compelled to ask if they knew anything about it.  They both said prep school had never been discussed.  They were fervent about DJ joining the Marquette BB team.  

Brad - just curious... in your recent discussions with Coach Laws, DJ, or his family, did the fact that he didn't have his application finished a week before he was to arrive come up? Any reasoning behind that strange situation?

[Canadian Dimes]

Brad - just curious... in your recent discussions with Coach Laws, DJ, or his family, did the fact that he didn't have his application finished a week before he was to arrive come up? Any reasoning behind that strange situation?

exactly...brad before putting the video back upp...which i have never seen why dont u ask some questions from the other ide of the fence...a little bit of devils advocate...potentially discussing any previous discussions about prpep school...over recruitng...applaication etc.  Why on earth would buzz mention a player going to prep school?  not saying he was referring to DJ...but we were not even over the limit when he was talking about it...why even bring it up....if it were not the case....he has never said anything like that during the previous 2 recruitng classes. 

[GGGG]

Why are people blaming Brad, myself, and others for bringing down MU?  Good grief, this sounds like what happens in the political world today....when in doubt, discredit the messenger.  Or calling their employer, try to get them fired (Brad, trust me...it's happened before, that's how ridiculous some of this stuff is for some people...CURA PERSONALIS)

Here's a newsflash folks, if MU PUT THEMSELVES IN THIS POSITION, not Brad Forester.  Not anyone else on this board.

All this guy has done is provide their side of the story, and he's the evil person for doing this?  What the heck has happened to some of you?  I always thought MU taught us to pursue the truth. Doesn't that journey include BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY?   As many have stated, more than likely the truth is somewhere in between what we have heard from both sides, but don't kill the messenger(s) for simply bringing up another point of view.

And finally, this absolute horsecrap from sone accusing others on this board being anti-MU, or wanting it's destruction, etc, is so totally unfair and ridiculous on all levels.  A lot of people here have worked their tails off to promote MU in a positive light over the years through their business contacts, marketing, etc.  That's what alums do.   But you know what, alums also care about the Marquette BRAND, care about how things are done and how the university is perceived.  And if standing up for those beliefs means a bunch of people who don't give a crap about those things will do nothing but attack others, threaten them with job losses, etc, etc....well, it's gone way too far!

+100000

People on this board make fun of the fantatics who defend Coach Cal types, without realizing that many on this board basically do the same thing to a lesser degree. 

[Lennys Tap]

Lol.  I am amused to say the least with the comments stemming from the video.  I have a feeling if I walked on campus right now I may meet an untimely demise by stoning or something far worse.  I am equally amused by this talk of a personal agenda.  For the umpteenth time, I simply wanted to provide a feature on an incoming recruit.  Heck, I did one for the Duke fans on Kyrie Irving.  I have no affiliation with Duke.  I haven't even been to the campus.

I am just as ardent a follower of the MU basketball program as any of you.  I called the games during my time on campus and worked closely with the basketball team during the Mike Deane tenure.  I attended games last year when I moved to the East coast.  I haven't missed a game on TV in forever.  

As I spent time with Stan, DJ, and others associated with them I developed a rapport with the group and ultimately a friendship.  When I heard Buzz Williams hadn't so much as called DJ and his family to break the news of Marquette's plans to move forward without DJ, I felt disappointed.  This is a man who continually speaks of high morals and ethical standards.  His actions in this instance didn't match the words nor the passion with which he delivers them.    

On a side note, I asked DJ and Stan before a BB tournament on June 11th (not even a month ago) about the prep school topic because speculation was already running rampant on this board.  I felt compelled to ask if they knew anything about it.  They both said prep school had never been discussed.  They were fervent about DJ joining the Marquette BB team.  

If the folks on MU Scoop want to castigate me for putting an opinion piece together based on my own research and feelings about the situation, that's your right.  I certainly won't take the name calling personally because I knew an overwhelmingly vitriolic response was a distinct possibility by offering a different point of view.

So you're not even suggesting that you're acting as a journalist but as a friend/spokesperson of a family with a major axe to grind. You all seem to have your talking points well rehearsed but the facts are : 1) Buzz has been (for months) quite candid about a recruit going the prep school route 2) As of late June DJ had made no plans to enroll in summer school or play in IWB's summer league and 3) DJ never even bothered to fill out an application to attend Marquette. Fact #1 speaks for itself and fact #2 and #3 show just how out of the MU loop DJ was and how little he evidently cared. Add to that Philly coach and you arriving on the scene to talk DJ + Marquette up even as it was becoming clear to anyone paying attention that DJ wouldn't be coming to MU. All of these facts suggest the Newbill camp knew the score but saw some upside in playing the victim.

Bottom line: I don't want to stone you nor accuse you of being an MU hater. But your "facts" don't add up for me. Don't know if you're playin' us or if Stan & co. are playin' you but I'd guess it's the latter. Good luck in your future endeavors and good luck to DJ.

[Litehouse]

The sad part about all this infighting is that I don't think people are all that far apart in their opinion of this situation.  From what I've read, I think almost everyone agrees that even if this was some type of conditional NLI situation, they're not thrilled about this happening at MU.  I keep picturing two people standing right next to each other, but trying to have a conversation by shouting as loud as they can over the other person's shoulder.

[burger]

Just show me the airline ticket.....

[Strokin 3s]

Wow, just wow this entire thread and video is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this board is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[4everwarriors]

Just show me the airline ticket.....

Do scholarship athletes pay their transportation costs to and from school?

[MUBurrow]

So you're not even suggesting that you're acting as a journalist but as a friend/spokesperson of a family with a major axe to grind. You all seem to have your talking points well rehearsed but the facts are : 1) Buzz has been (for months) quite candid about a recruit going the prep school route 2) As of late June DJ had made no plans to enroll in summer school or play in IWB's summer league and 3) DJ never even bothered to fill out an application to attend Marquette. Fact #1 speaks for itself and fact #2 and #3 show just how out of the MU loop DJ was and how little he evidently cared. Add to that Philly coach and you arriving on the scene to talk DJ + Marquette up even as it was becoming clear to anyone paying attention that DJ wouldn't be coming to MU. All of these facts suggest the Newbill camp knew the score but saw some upside in playing the victim.

Come on Lennys, you really believe everything you typed here?

fact #2 and #3 show just how out of the MU loop DJ was and how little he evidently cared.

- You can honestly suggest that in the face of all this, he might not have cared?  That claim doesn't seem at all disingenuous?  Say what you want about how all of this was handled and have whatever opinion you want, but saying that he evidently didn't care is just quite obviously not true.  Similarly, the fact that he seems to have been out of the loop is exactly what gives people problems about the whole thing.  You arent supposed to sign an LOI and then be out of the loop.

1) Buzz has been (for months) quite candid about a recruit going the prep school route

- You can't be both candid and cryptic.  There was a ton of speculation as to what this meant from day one, and now after the DJ scenario has played out, it remains incredibly cloudy. Again, I am not placing any blame on anyone, nor am I insinuating that I have a right to know for some reason.  But he was certainly not candid about what would transpire regarding prep school.

Add to that Philly coach and you arriving on the scene to talk DJ + Marquette up even as it was becoming clear to anyone paying attention that DJ wouldn't be coming to MU. All of these facts suggest the Newbill camp knew the score but saw some upside in playing the victim.

I've read about plots to kill Castro that were less conspiratorial than this.  According to Rosiak's mention of an offer to DJ from WVU and all of the other regional attention he was garnering, it seems unlikely that there was ever any upside to plotting a bad PR campaign against MU.

[Lennys Tap]

Come on Lennys, you really believe everything you typed here? - You can honestly suggest that in the face of all this, he might not have cared?  That claim doesn't seem at all disingenuous?  Say what you want about how all of this was handled and have whatever opinion you want, but saying that he evidently didn't care is just quite obviously not true.  Similarly, the fact that he seems to have been out of the loop is exactly what gives people problems about the whole thing.  You arent supposed to sign an LOI and then be out of the loop.
- You can't be both candid and cryptic.  There was a ton of speculation as to what this meant from day one, and now after the DJ scenario has played out, it remains incredibly cloudy. Again, I am not placing any blame on anyone, nor am I insinuating that I have a right to know for some reason.  But he was certainly not candid about what would transpire regarding prep school.

I've read about plots to kill Castro that were less conspiratorial than this.  According to Rosiak's mention of an offer to DJ from WVU and all of the other regional attention he was garnering, it seems unlikely that there was ever any upside to plotting a bad PR campaign against MU.

Do I believe what I typed? Yes.

The suggestion is he didn't care for a reason. The reason? He already knew he wasn't coming.

Saying that a player is going to a prep school and that he knows who he is = candid.

Rosiak didn't mention that DJ had an offer from from WVU, he mentioned that DJ CLAIMED to have an offer from WVU. He wouldn't be the first 2 star recruit to end up at a place like Drexel after SELF-REPORTING an offer from a high major.

If you really think a friend with a video recorder and a former mentor trying to put their guy in the best possible light regardless of the facts requires some broad, far reaching conspiracy equal to that of bringing down the Castro (or any other) regime I've got some land in Death Valley with plenty of water to sell you.

[MUBurrow]

see that whole scenario just doesn't seem likely to me i guess. that the DJ camp would have known he wasnt attending MU and then bash the program to anyone that would listen just doesnt serve DJ.  it in no way helps DJ find a new program or move forward. it seems like an awful lot of work for something where no one is really gaining anything, and thats even recognizing the potential personal benefits to people who are merely tangential to the whole process.
the self reporting offer part does clarify or change something in my mind, because i can see the clear purpose of self promoting and garnering attention form big schools with offers that might not be there or arent firmly on the table.  strategically, theres nothing wrong with trying to inflate the demand a little. and considering some of the voices in DJ's camp, it easy to assume he would have been given that type of advice.

i think what we can certainly agree on is that this whole ordeal would have been and would continue to be better if the DJ camp weren't so big. as is so often the case in CBB recruiting there are just too many people involved, all with varying degrees of desire to help DJ as opposed to get their own 15 minutes.  I still disagree that you could call Buzz candid and that DJ didnt act with every hope of coming to MU throughout the process, but it would be nice to have a single voice claiming to tell the DJ side of the story, rather than so many grandstanding "representatives".

[3Mer]

All of these facts suggest the Newbill camp knew the score but saw some upside in playing the victim.

This is the type of logic that just astounds me by those who condemn anyone who has criticized MU pulling DJN's scholarship -- the 18 year old kid "knew the score but saw some upside in playing the victim."

Just what "upside" is there to "playing the victim?"  DJN has no legal recourse, through either the NCAA or the judicial system.  But don't let that fact stop you from disparaging this kid.

This whole "he had it coming" attitude is merely rationalization on the part of those who have attempted to justify NCAA-legalized breach of contract.  You'd rather blame the kid than the sophisticated D-1 program that shafted him.