Video Summary Of Marquette's Newbill Recruitment

[MUfan12]

Can I ask, what was this hoping to accomplish? Because it sure as hell didn't shed any more light on the situation. Just seemed to me like the ramblings of a guy in his den, not some journalistic report.

Seems to me you could have read Brad and Chicos posts from here over some highlights and it would have been the same thing.

[mu_hilltopper]

Damn, I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue.

[parkerj]

if you could PM it to me that'd be great,

thanks

[ChicosBailBonds]

With all due respect, Chico's, nearly all we've heard is DJ Newbill's/his coach's side of the story.
Thanks to NCAA rules - and I'd like to think the common sense of knowing no good ever will come of it - Marquette must remain silent on this issue.
If you wanted THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY, you should be clamoring for MU's version, not Stan Laws'.

I think Brad is going to add that type of disclaimer to the video.

Let's not be naive here, MU can get their view out via proxy and has already attempted to do so with various people.

I've asked several questions which others have as well (and received a ton of emails from MU fans confirming those same questions).   It seems to me that those proxies could answer those questions publicly on these forums or elsewhere without MU officially answering it.  That's how the PR game is played nowadays for these things.

There are about 3 to 4 critical questions that have been asked in the last few days for which there have not been any answers.  It would go a long way to get those answered in a credible fashion.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Among other things....

In previous posts you have accused Buzz Williams and MU of ruining DJ Newbill's life. You have equated being skeptical of Stan Law's account with calling him Adolph Hitler. And you have characterized anyone that finds IWB's account of the events plausible as kool aid swilling Jim Jonesean morons. Oh, and you've insinuated that as such those people are inferior Catholics to you.

Good to see you calling for an end to "personal attacks". Hope you plan to follow your own advice.

Nice straw man.  Try again, and this time use your commons sense filter as well as the sarcasm filter I clearly used in my notes (and noted explicitly as such).   Then let's try it again.

[cheebs09]

Thanks for the video Brad. The only thing I have a problem with is you seem to be arguing providing an argument for Phillycoach and Newbill more than actually reporting something. I'm thinking that rubs people the wrong way. Being an MU fan on an MU site skews my view of it I'm sure, but you are kind of making this video for MU fans on an MU site, so it might be tough for us to buy into that type of reporting.

You might have gotten an answer to this already, but one of the biggest questions I have outside of the application is what was Coach Laws role in his recruitment? IWB makes it sound limited and you and him make it sound pretty extensive. I was just wondering what role he played in this since he seems to be a major source of information.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Can I ask, what was this hoping to accomplish? Because it sure as hell didn't shed any more light on the situation. Just seemed to me like the ramblings of a guy in his den, not some journalistic report.

Seems to me you could have read Brad and Chicos posts from here over some highlights and it would have been the same thing.

Disagree, only because it's better to see and hear the actual words from people then reading them in black and white.   When people read text, there is no emotion, no context, nothing to put true meaning behind intent.  That's always the problem with the written word.

Case in point is Lenny not being able to decipher sarcasm from my post, but if I were posting it in video \ audio format, it would clearly come across that way.

As for the style, Mr. Forester's chosen format is very popular in the online space, blogosphere, etc.  It's all many of these videos are done now.  Yes, he could have taken himself out of the video entirely, but it seems he wanted to personalize and tell his point of view. 

[NersEllenson]

This whole thing is a little weird.  The timing - Brad and Philly Coach basically arrive at the same time on Scoop, and start posting about how good DJ is going to be, how he's fully qualified, how the NLI is a binding contract, etc.  At minimum, I find it VERY hard to believe that the Newbill camp just found out (june 29) about his scholarship/arrival at MU not being honored..I'm convinced they knew something at the end of May, if not sooner...and that also makes sense as to why the MU application was never sent in.  It is just very bizarre that Philly Coach begin posting on the MUScoop board - when has their ever been another recruit's coach..start to post on MUScoop??  Has it ever happened? 

As I posted previously..if DJ is a High Major talent right now..he'll get an offer from a high-major program.  If he doesn't get a high-major offer, it is reflective of how he's viewed by the college basketball community.  Just as UW created a spot for Brust, and MU with Wilson...a school would do the same with DJ if he's a high-major player right now.

My guess will be that he'll either get a mid-major offer, or go to prep to try to increase his stock to get a high-major offer. 

[MarkCharles]

Its posted on the Badger Scout board if you want to see it.

Or the jsonline golden eagles blog comments section

[ChicosBailBonds]

Damn, I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/654c7721e2/i-picked-the-wrong-week-to-quit-from-airplanefan

[ChicosBailBonds]

This whole thing is a little weird.  The timing - Brad and Philly Coach basically arrive at the same time on Scoop, and start posting about how good DJ is going to be, how he's fully qualified, how the NLI is a binding contract, etc.  

Forester first signed up in November of 2008 to this site, hardly just in the last few months

Go back and read his posts, very complementary of Buzz Williams, etc. 

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=profile;u=2332;sa=showPosts;start=50

[NersEllenson]

Forester first signed up in November of 2008 to this site, hardly just in the last few months

Go back and read his posts, very complementary of Buzz Williams, etc. 

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=profile;u=2332;sa=showPosts;start=50

I was aware Brad had posted here for awhile - but it was the tag team efforts/timing of Philly Coach and Brad's videos that I felt was a bit peculiar.  I don't have a beef with Brad - but will say that he just as easily could be being used by the Newbill camp...as anything else..in a PR and propoganda game intended to try to back Buzz into a corner and make him honor the Newbill offer.  As I've said..I hope we don't get ourselves into a situation like this again, and that Buzz learn that making even conditional offers/etc..gets to be a slippery slope.  I have no doubt that Buzz/MU let DJ know at some time along the way that prep school could be an option...but once it became a reality..my guess is the Newbills wanted to see what other offers DJ could get at this time and asked for an outright release...so DJ would be free to be recruited by any other school (if he does decided to go the prep school route.)

[New Era Warriors]

Brad, I'd like to see the video. Thanks

[Lennys Tap]

This whole thing is a little weird.  The timing - Brad and Philly Coach basically arrive at the same time on Scoop, and start posting about how good DJ is going to be, how he's fully qualified, how the NLI is a binding contract, etc.  At minimum, I find it VERY hard to believe that the Newbill camp just found out (june 29) about his scholarship/arrival at MU not being honored..I'm convinced they knew something at the end of May, if not sooner...and that also makes sense as to why the MU application was never sent in.  It is just very bizarre that Philly Coach begin posting on the MUScoop board - when has their ever been another recruit's coach..start to post on MUScoop??  Has it ever happened?  

As I posted previously..if DJ is a High Major talent right now..he'll get an offer from a high-major program.  If he doesn't get a high-major offer, it is reflective of how he's viewed by the college basketball community.  Just as UW created a spot for Brust, and MU with Wilson...a school would do the same with DJ if he's a high-major player right now.

My guess will be that he'll either get a mid-major offer, or go to prep to try to increase his stock to get a high-major offer.  

Agree 100% that this is curious. We have known for weeks (months?) that one of the signees wasn't coming (at least this year). And Buzz says the player knows it too. Who is the most logical candidate to need a year of prep school? JC 1st team AA, top 50 guy, top 100 guy, top 125 guy or a (maybe) top 500 guy? In addition, the maybe top 500 guy hasn't even applied to school and knows nothing about IWB's summer league or his own plans for summer school. Along come Philly Coach and Brad Forester to initially tell us DJ's not the guy and then to express (feign?) shock when it turns out he is. Doesn't pass the smell test.

All that said, I too hope Buzz has learned his lesson about "conditional" LOIs. Allow a verbal but don't let anyone sign anything unless MU is 100% sure on the player.

[Shanunu]

I'd like to see that video as well.

[Josey Wales]

I'm guessing because of all the rumors going around that someone "may" go to Prep school, in fact Buzz and staff were saying that at the BBQ and prior according to reports here and elsewhere.  Only problem is, was this ever communicated clearly to this kid, his family and his coaches?  Maybe, maybe not.  Sure doesn't seem so.

I still question the logic in all this and have from day one.  If the kid has an offer from another Big East school (Rosiak says he did from West Virginia), why in the hell would we sign a NLI with Marquette if all these supposed conditions were applied to the MU offer?  Why would you do this?  Why would ANYONE do this?  Can someone explain this to me?  It's a fair question and would go a LONG way to getting me over to the MU side on this.

UNLESS

1)  There weren't any conditions ever put on the offer to Newbill
2)  There were conditions, but they were downplayed so much as to make it seem virtually impossible they would ever be executed
3)  There were conditions but were so poorly communicated that the Newbill party didn't understand or properly vet them
4)  The Newbill camp was so in love with MU, so in love with Buzz, so in love with Milwaukee that it didn't matter what conditions existed, they were signing with MU and rolling the dice even thought they had other offers, including a Big East top 4 team

5) His WV offer also came with conditions, perhaps stronger conditions than Buzz's.

[77ncaachamps]

You're referencing the APR.  The thing with the APR and how it works is that the kid needs to finish the semester \ quarters that he is enrolled in at the origin school.

I believe transfers no longer cause a penalty if they finish properly.  The old formula it did hurt, but I think that changed.  According to the Stanford University website, a student athlete can transfer without APR penalty assuming they complete the year in good standing.

Someone can correct me if this is wrong.

You may be right, as the NCAA has revised the implementation of the APR:

"Because of various adjustments in the rate, including an accommodation for student-athletes who leave school eligible to become professional in their chosen sport, and a more far-reaching change allowing student-athletes with a grade-point average of 2.6 or higher to transfer without costing their team an APR point, the meaning of the penalty benchmarks in relation to projected graduation rates may have changed."


More on the professional "penalty":
"The presidents at their August 4 meeting in Indianapolis adopted a recommendation from the Division I Committee on Academic Performance (CAP) that adjusts student-athletes' APR calculations in such cases as 1-for-1 instead of 1-for-2." ...as long as the student-athlete has maintained good academic standing.

"At issue is whether student-athletes are transferring for legitimate reasons, rather than being "run off" by the coach for athletics under-achievement. Because the latter is something the Board has expressed an interest in curbing, the presidents decided to tread lightly on the idea of providing an APR adjustment for that cohort.

Among other CAP recommendations the Board approved was an APR adjustment that rewards institutions for student-athletes who return to complete their degrees after having left school. Such graduates would earn the institution a "1-for-0" bonus point in the APR calculation for that particular team. The bonus in effect restores the retention point lost when the student-athlete left the institution; however, if the student-athlete had been awarded the 1-for-1 adjustment previously noted, the institution would in effect gain an additional bonus."

More on the transfer with a 2.6 gpa:

"The (2008) proposal would allow institutions to discount the retention point in the APR formula for transfer student-athletes who immediately enroll in another four-year institution, earn the eligibility point and carry a cumulative grade-point average of 2.6 or higher. The student-athlete must have attended the initial institution for at least one academic year. The change would be effective with the 2007-08 cohort, which will be collected in fall 2008 and not be retroactive."

Unfortunately, this may affect future recruiting by Buzz and Co. as the NCAA sees a trend among two-year transfers: APR and graduation-rate data show that two-year transfers are less likely to be academically successful and ultimately graduate than any other cohort.

"One of the ideas on the table is a "year in academic readiness" that would require two-year transfers with a certain academic profile to sit out a year of competition to focus on academics. Members of the two-year college community have floated the idea that the year be spent at their institutions. This idea and others are among those that will be more fully vetted in the coming months. The cabinet is continuing to work with officials from two-year institutions and their athletics organizations to address the issue."

Of course, none of these now apply to Newbill. But if he was on the team...

[Skatastrophy]

And the video isn't posted here yet because... why?

Btw, post here if you'd like to read my next post.  I'd post it but I don't know if everyone wants to read it.  I'll PM it to you.

[nycwarrior]

Might as well post the video.

If that's impossible, I'd like to see the video too please.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

it's on fucking utube, why is everyone begging this guy to send it to them?  to stroke this guy's ego more?

[mu_hilltopper]

He can blame it on me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbrwWoKg9kI

[MUfan12]

it's on fracking utube, why is everyone begging this guy to send it to them?  to stroke this guy's ego more?

Can you send me the link to this post?

[NavinRJohnson]

Good grief! Me thinks thou doth protest too much.

You are qualified, and good to go at MU, right? No chance of Prep school, right? You held your own against the guys at MU, right? If there is no doubt, why on earth are these questions even being asked, and responded too so vehemently? If you have all these comparable offers, why is this situation even a big deal? Monarch and Huggins were at one of his games the night before they had games of their own, as if it is somehow unusual that a coach would travel to see a player during their season. Its probably also just a coincidence that Aaron Brown who just committed to WVU today, also happened to play in that tournament at Villanova (probably among others WVU had interest in. I assume the recruiting geeks could shed some light on that). IF WVU wants you so bad, give Coach Drinky a call, and I'm sure he'll find a way.

My BS detector has been on overdrive, based on both the content and timing of comments by he and the the coach who was fired for being too successful started commenting mere moments before this news came out the other day. This video, moved their credibility from thin ice, into the freezing cold water.

DJ Newbill has an attorney who has advised against any further comment on the matter, but I think I will throw together a propaganda video and throw it out on Youtube anyway. There are so many hols in this guys version of things, its pathetic.

These guys are members of college basketball's wannabe class, that have and continue to try to use DJ Newbill and this situation to advance themselves.

I had held out some thought that maybe Buzz and Co. carried a small amount of fault in this situation, and may have done wrong by the kid a little bit, but ironically enough, the words and actions of the Newbill camp have convinced me otherwise. As far as I am concerned, Buzz can hold his head high, as these guys are embarrassing themselves, not MU. Never mind the talent levels of the players involved, I have no doubt MU is better off because of this decision.

[Boone]

+ infinity, Navin!

[wyoMUfan]

What a self serving, pile of garbage.

I'd like to know where your hard on for Newbill came from anyway?

Was is it just because you are in Philly too, and what I don't understand is why would you ask all these questions about academics and prep school months ago. It was like you were preparing your attack if something like this happened. What do you gain personally from this witch hunt you are on?

I guess Brad is a bigger DJ Newbill fan than an MU fan.