Video Summary Of Marquette's Newbill Recruitment

[hoops12]

Brad:

I thought I was going to be watching something with the moderator being unbiased. You are "totally biased" and you are feeding the frenzy with this video on the message boards.

How do we know the true interest of West Virginia? How do you know what the offers were from the other schools that you mentioned. There are a lot of teams that offer with strings attached. Prove the substantial offers.

You never asked either of the gentlemen if Marquette discussed prep school with him under certain circumstances, yet you claim that in the video. Yes, he was not planning on going to prep school. They discussed his ACADEMICS not being a problem. SAT, clearinghouse process, and at the time he did this interview I'm sure he and Marquette planned on him attending Marquette. No one has ever claimed that his grades were an issue, did they? That's all he and his coach discussed in your short video clip.............no prep school because of academics.

This biased video did nothing for me. I would like to know much more. If these "substantiated offers" that were so close to home were so good, why didn't he stay close to home to begin with?

I have watched Buzz closely for the two years he has been here. He is real and he is "almost to a fault" super honest. I'm not saying Marquette isn't somehow in the wrong, but it is going to take a lot more than that biased, one-sided video to make me think that Marquette is totally at fault here.

Thanks for your efforts though, Brad.

[MUUWUWM]

Yep thanks Brad for sending it to trolls posing as MU fans...

I can understand a little where your coming from..but your really going out of your way to stir the pot in a way that suits you.
Good luck to  you in your future.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Of course, yes.

What are we, going to bury our heads in the sand forever?  Why is everyone so afraid, I don't know, to hear the OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY?

[NCMUFan]

I'd like to see it.  Please send link.

[bradforster]

MUUWUWM, I suggest you try spell check before submitting a post.  Also, with all due respect, calling someone an idiot is unnecessary.  I have an opinion based on several factors, and I am entitled to that opinion.  I don't begrudge those who stand behind Buzz just as firmly now as they did before this incident.  I happen to think he should have called DJ and his family to break the news.  That didn't happen.  

If I could conduct the interviews with Stan and DJ now I most certainly would do so.  Once the process of finding another school is completed they will talk to me on camera.  I have contact with them on a daily basis.  If you don't like the video, don't watch it.

[MUUWUWM]

Gee I dunno....as Hoops pointed out...totally one sided and seeing as the MU coaching staff can't really comment anymore it is totally self serving to one person's point of view.

Covered old ground and nothing is substantiated. But lets keep throwing coals on the fire.

[MUUWUWM]

Sorry Brad, I can have an opinion and mine [hasn't changed]. I understand that you have an agenda I just don't agree with it anymore.

[HoopsMalone]

I'd like it privately if you are doing that

[ChicosBailBonds]

Can we avoid the personal attacks.


Yes, the coaches comments aren't included here and that should be duly noted.  In fact, if I were Brad I would put that in the video that the coaches cannot by NCAA rules comment.   On the flip side, if we didn't take this action at all, then this wouldn't have happened.

Probably the biggest lesson in all of this is don't offer a scholarship in the future unless we plan on honoring it.  None of this "maybe", "halfway", "conditional", etc, etc.  If you offer a scholarship and the kid takes it (plus you publicly take the NLI, rave about the kid, etc, etc) then we better be ready to honor it and not play games.  Do that, and these things don't come up.

[MUUWUWM]

Ok....if this interview was taken before any of  this started....why are they talking about PREP SCHOOL?  Who evers brings this up if he has an offer to MU?....Maybe that was a condition and MR. Brad doesn't know the whole story but feels he has to be the knight in shining armor.
Seems to me that this slice and dice tape is to show only one side...why the agenda?

What kind of professional broadcaster are you?

[TedBaxter]

Probably the biggest lesson in all of this is don't offer a scholarship in the future unless we plan on honoring it.  None of this "maybe", "halfway", "conditional", etc, etc.  If you offer a scholarship and the kid takes it (plus you publicly take the NLI, rave about the kid, etc, etc) then we better be ready to honor it and not play games.  Do that, and these things don't come up.

Bingo.

[Pakuni]

Probably the biggest lesson in all of this is don't offer a scholarship in the future unless we plan on honoring it.  None of this "maybe", "halfway", "conditional", etc, etc.  If you offer a scholarship and the kid takes it (plus you publicly take the NLI, rave about the kid, etc, etc) then we better be ready to honor it and not play games.  Do that, and these things don't come up.

I don't think anybody disagrees with this.

[77ncaachamps]

Probably the biggest lesson in all of this is don't offer a scholarship in the future unless we plan on honoring it.  None of this "maybe", "halfway", "conditional", etc, etc.  If you offer a scholarship and the kid takes it (plus you publicly take the NLI, rave about the kid, etc, etc) then we better be ready to honor it and not play games.  Do that, and these things don't come up.

Because, remember, scholarships are awarded on a one-year basis.

I'd agree with that but let's also consider that letting players go after one-year will eventually affect the graduation rate (forgot the term) which may adversely affect the # of scholarships and the program in the future.

Then again, this all goes back to how much faith you have in a 16-17 y.o. kid and their ability to contribute over 4 years - on the court and in the classroom.

Never an exact science, thus it can get messy - like now.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Ok....if this interview was taken before any of  this started....why are they talking about PREP SCHOOL?  Who evers brings this up if he has an offer to MU?....Maybe that was a condition and MR. Brad doesn't know the whole story but feels he has to be the knight in shining armor.
Seems to me that this slice and dice tape is to show only one side...why the agenda?

What kind of professional broadcaster are you?

I'm guessing because of all the rumors going around that someone "may" go to Prep school, in fact Buzz and staff were saying that at the BBQ and prior according to reports here and elsewhere.  Only problem is, was this ever communicated clearly to this kid, his family and his coaches?  Maybe, maybe not.  Sure doesn't seem so.

I still question the logic in all this and have from day one.  If the kid has an offer from another Big East school (Rosiak says he did from West Virginia), why in the hell would we sign a NLI with Marquette if all these supposed conditions were applied to the MU offer?  Why would you do this?  Why would ANYONE do this?  Can someone explain this to me?  It's a fair question and would go a LONG way to getting me over to the MU side on this.

UNLESS

1)  There weren't any conditions ever put on the offer to Newbill
2)  There were conditions, but they were downplayed so much as to make it seem virtually impossible they would ever be executed
3)  There were conditions but were so poorly communicated that the Newbill party didn't understand or properly vet them
4)  The Newbill camp was so in love with MU, so in love with Buzz, so in love with Milwaukee that it didn't matter what conditions existed, they were signing with MU and rolling the dice even thought they had other offers, including a Big East top 4 team

[bradforster]

MUUWM, I asked the question back then because speculation was already running rampant on the boards about DJ going to prep school.  I simply asked DJ and his coach to quell that rumor.  They never discussed prep school as an option.  Period.  If DJ should happen to go to prep school in the future, it's because it's now late in the game and much tougher to find a squad with availability. Offers are out there and DJ is mulling them over.  I hope he finds a new home.  If not, I am sure it will happen next year.  The kid is a solid player.  He may not be a blue chip prospect, but he's certainly a D1 caliber player.

[mikem91288]

Brad,

I'd like to see the video if its possible, thanks a lot.

[muballer10]

Could you send me that video? Thanks.

[Pakuni]

Of course, yes.

What are we, going to bury our heads in the sand forever?  Why is everyone so afraid, I don't know, to hear the OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY?

With all due respect, Chico's, nearly all we've heard is DJ Newbill's/his coach's side of the story.
Thanks to NCAA rules - and I'd like to think the common sense of knowing no good ever will come of it - Marquette must remain silent on this issue.
If you wanted THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY, you should be clamoring for MU's version, not Stan Laws'.

[mu_hilltopper]

Mark me down as someone interested in hearing both sides of the story.  Please send me the link.

Personally, I'd rather see it posted instead of this strange vote.  Watch it, don't watch it.  Just like any other video.

[Lighthouse 84]

Just post it...

[Golden Avalanche]

With all due respect, Chico's, nearly all we've heard is DJ Newbill's/his coach's side of the story.
Thanks to NCAA rules - and I'd like to think the common sense of knowing no good ever will come of it - Marquette must remain silent on this issue.
If you wanted THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY, you should be clamoring for MU's version, not Stan Laws'.

Erm, I don't know. Sure seems like a lot of MU fans are taking the version IWB posted as MU's "official" story. He's deeply connected. At one time, had his livelihood depend on keeping good relations with the staff. And in the post has carried the water for the department when there have been sticky situations.

I think both sides of the story are out there and anyone acting as if MU is somehow wronged by not being able to comment is feigning the drama. 

[MUUWUWM]

Its posted on the Badger Scout board if you want to see it.

[NCMUFan]

Just post it on here Brad.  You have the green light of MUSCOOP moderator MU_Hilltopper. It's water over the dam.  I feel bad for DJ Newbill and wish it didn't happen.  But it did and life goes on.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Because, remember, scholarships are awarded on a one-year basis.

I'd agree with that but let's also consider that letting players go after one-year will eventually affect the graduation rate (forgot the term) which may adversely affect the # of scholarships and the program in the future.

Then again, this all goes back to how much faith you have in a 16-17 y.o. kid and their ability to contribute over 4 years - on the court and in the classroom.

Never an exact science, thus it can get messy - like now.

You're referencing the APR.  The thing with the APR and how it works is that the kid needs to finish the semester \ quarters that he is enrolled in at the origin school.

I believe transfers no longer cause a penalty if they finish properly.  The old formula it did hurt, but I think that changed.  According to the Stanford University website, a student athlete can transfer without APR penalty assuming they complete the year in good standing.

Someone can correct me if this is wrong.

[Lennys Tap]

Can we avoid the personal attacks.


Yes, the coaches comments aren't included here and that should be duly noted.  In fact, if I were Brad I would put that in the video that the coaches cannot by NCAA rules comment.   On the flip side, if we didn't take this action at all, then this wouldn't have happened.

Probably the biggest lesson in all of this is don't offer a scholarship in the future unless we plan on honoring it.  None of this "maybe", "halfway", "conditional", etc, etc.  If you offer a scholarship and the kid takes it (plus you publicly take the NLI, rave about the kid, etc, etc) then we better be ready to honor it and not play games.  Do that, and these things don't come up.

Among other things....

In previous posts you have accused Buzz Williams and MU of ruining DJ Newbill's life. You have equated being skeptical of Stan Law's account with calling him Adolph Hitler. And you have characterized anyone that finds IWB's account of the events plausible as kool aid swilling Jim Jonesean morons. Oh, and you've insinuated that as such those people are inferior Catholics to you.

Good to see you calling for an end to "personal attacks". Hope you plan to follow your own advice.