Bait and Switch. U of New Orleans, Roseboro, Maymon, now Newbill?

[Knight Commission]

A trend of "bait and switch"?

[augoman]

if I understand your post, it would actually be a 'reverse' bait and switch..., as we are receiving better value than promised, rather than less.

[bamamarquettefan]

Maymon left US to get a better shot at the NBA since clearly he and Lazar could never make the NBA trying to play the 5 at only 6-foot-5.  Instead he went to Tennessee, which has ONE NBA product in CJ Watson.

As for Brett Roseboro, clearly you are right.  Clearly Buzz was wrong on Roseboro, who was arrested along with three teammates after a stabbing of opposing players.  Was that really worth the 22 points and 12 rebounds this season for St. B's?  That's not per game – and that's his total in 31 games for St. B's, so an extra basket and rebound from him every three games. 

We don't know the story on DJ, and I do hope it was voluntary, but I don't believe it's necessarily better for someone to come to MU before realizing the game is moving way too fast for them, then to move on and find a program where they can really contribute and participate.

How many times do you run into someone successful in life who says, "the best thing that happened to me was when I lost that job, I never would have found my nitch."  People in wealth management are amazed that most of the most successful people start with a setback.

I want nothing but the best for DJ, but it may have just become apparent at some point this wasn't the best fit for him, and I'd rather have it happen now.  Kind of like feeling bad when the wedding gets called off last minute, but realizing it's better than a divorce in a year.  I hope the initial LOI may have increased DJs marketability, but stop the Buzz hating.

[Dawson Rental]

if I understand your post, it would actually be a 'reverse' bait and switch..., as we are receiving better value than promised, rather than less.

I believe that Knight Commission was looking at it from the point of view of those dealing with Buzz, and posing the question if 'bait and switch' is what Buzz was doing to them from their point of view.

[babytownfrolics]

I believe that Knight Commission was looking at it from the point of view of those dealing with Buzz, and posing the question if 'bait and switch' is what Buzz was doing to them from their point of view.

It still doesn't make any sense.

[Litehouse]

This is getting ridiculous.  If anything, UNO was the other way around, the school made promises to Buzz and didn't deliver.  I'm just glad there's yet another thread discussing this.

[MUUWUWM]

A trend of "bait and switch"?

lol are you an ass all the time?...or has something set you off recently?  Can you break your statement down a bit more?

Discuss...

[Dawson Rental]

This is getting ridiculous.  If anything, UNO was the other way around, the school made promises to Buzz and didn't deliver. 

+1

I'm just glad there's yet another thread discussing this.

+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

[NCMUFan]

Knight Commission is clearly in the dark.

[RJax55]

This fall, UNO men's basketball will be competing as a D-III school. When Buzz departed UNO, he stated it was because the school couldn't make the necessary commitment needed to be a successful D-1 program. Buzz was right.

[madtownwarrior]

the "Knight Commission" could be Chico's second screen name....

[bamamarquettefan]

Buzz 3, Knight Commission 0

Roseboro a disaster, Lazar pulling in $1.7 million next two years to prove Maymon wrong and New Orleans is now Division 3.  If those are your best examples, think our coach has a pretty good record.

[ChicosBailBonds]

the "Knight Commission" could be Chico's second screen name....

Considering I disagree with Knight Commission on about 75% of things, I don't think so.  But whatever floats your flotilla.

I believe he said Buzz should be fired for this.  I don't agree, but that's just one example of many.

[SacWarrior]

UNO is a basketball joke and was completely in the wrong since THEY actually fired Buzz, not the other way around.

Jeronne Maymon will never make it at Tennessee. He has the same attitude problems and Bruce Pearl will not take this "I play where I want to play mentality"

Roseboro is an embarrassment to the Bonnies and it looks like we dodged a bullet.

And no one is happy about the way we treated Newbill, but let me tell you something; Marquette spent 10 million dollars on their basketball program last year. That's more than every school in the Big East save for Georgetown. Now you may think college basketball is a tool to make kids feel better about their lives, but the reality of the situation is that college basketball is a business, and here at Marquette it's the only business in town. Does that justify the Newbill situation? Does it make it right? No, of course not, but at the end of the day if you give me the option of having a coach who will jump at the opportunity to make his team better I'll take it over a coach who will let the same opportunity pass him up to save face. What Buzz did was not corrupt, it was not illegal, it was at the very most cold-hearted.

[77ncaachamps]

UNO is a basketball joke and was completely in the wrong since THEY actually fired Buzz, not the other way around.

Jeronne Maymon will never make it at Tennessee. He has the same attitude problems and Bruce Pearl will not take this "I play where I want to play mentality"

Roseboro is an embarrassment to the Bonnies and it looks like we dodged a bullet.

And no one is happy about the way we treated Newbill, but let me tell you something; Marquette spent 10 million dollars on their basketball program last year. That's more than every school in the Big East save for Georgetown. Now you may think college basketball is a tool to make kids feel better about their lives, but the reality of the situation is that college basketball is a business, and here at Marquette it's the only business in town. Does that justify the Newbill situation? Does it make it right? No, of course not, but at the end of the day if you give me the option of having a coach who will jump at the opportunity to make his team better I'll take it over a coach who will let the same opportunity pass him up to save face. What Buzz did was not corrupt, it was not illegal, it was at the very most cold-hearted.

And that's exactly what oversigning.com website is trying to do: make oversigning a violation.

And if they're equally serious about the situation, the Big East should beat the NCAA to the punch. But they're also seeing $$$ with super-conferences forming or getting stronger.

[ATWizJr]

A trend of "bait and switch"?

Must be a full moon.

[brewcity77]

Does it make it right? No, of course not, but at the end of the day if you give me the option of having a coach who will jump at the opportunity to make his team better I'll take it over a coach who will let the same opportunity pass him up to save face. What Buzz did was not corrupt, it was not illegal, it was at the very most cold-hearted.

I agree with this to a point, but part of what made has made Buzz so endearing is that he's seemed to be the opposite. That story about the ill Marquette fan that he brought to the Awards dinner and gave him a chance to meet the entire team was one of those heart-warming moments that make you think he's playing the straight-shooter role both on and off the court.

In the past, we've reconciled the UNO story with Buzz's version of events, despite it being clear that people on their end weren't happy with how things played out. Roseboro's lack of production at St. Bonnie and his stabbing incident make it easy to look the other way on any wrongdoing by us there. Maymon's dad is clearly a bit deluded, and it seems easy to point the finger there. But again, this is a trend of incidents that does make one wonder a bit.

I'm still in Buzz's camp, I still feel the team has been improved, but I really want to believe that Buzz is as stand-up a guy as he comes across. I hope that he learns from this Newbill situation and is a bit more careful in the future. Possible growing pains of a young coach, I can accept that, but I certainly don't want this to be an annual trend.

[Norm]

UNO is a basketball joke and was completely in the wrong since THEY actually fired Buzz, not the other way around.

Jeronne Maymon will never make it at Tennessee. He has the same attitude problems and Bruce Pearl will not take this "I play where I want to play mentality"

Roseboro is an embarrassment to the Bonnies and it looks like we dodged a bullet.

Can you point me to the report that said Buzz Williams was fired from UNO? Every story I read said he quit - that's why UNO was suing him for breach of contract.

[reinko]

Can you point me to the report that said Buzz Williams was fired from UNO? Every story I read said he quit - that's why UNO was suing him for breach of contract.

Ding! Ding!

http://blog.nola.com/tpsports/2007/07/uno_coach_resigns.html

[Norm]

That's what I thought to be the case reinko...thanks for the link.

[tower912]

Buzz quit because UNO pulled a bait and switch on HIM.   Maymon left because his dad wanted the offense run through his freshman son instead of a first round draft pick.    Buzz called his bluff and said no one is bigger than the team.   Hardly a bait and switch.    Roseboro played summer pickup games and it became obvious to player and coaches that he was unlikely to be a major contributor anytime soon.   He wasn't recruited over and we ended up missing him as a practice body, though apparently the assessment was right, as he barely contributed at St. Bonny and found legal trouble.     ONE guy may have a legitimate beef.   One.   

[MUSF]

Buzz quit because UNO pulled a bait and switch on HIM.   Maymon left because his dad wanted the offense run through his freshman son instead of a first round draft pick.    Buzz called his bluff and said no one is bigger than the team.   Hardly a bait and switch.    Roseboro played summer pickup games and it became obvious to player and coaches that he was unlikely to be a major contributor anytime soon.   He wasn't recruited over and we ended up missing him as a practice body, though apparently the assessment was right, as he barely contributed at St. Bonny and found legal trouble.     ONE guy may have a legitimate beef.   One.   

Interesting that you listed 3 different situations, 4 if you add DJ, all with one common ingredient... Buzz Williams.  If all of these situations played out the way you have described, then we can at least question Buzz's judgement in getting involved with these parties. 

I'm not calling for Buzz's head but I would like him or the university to take some corrective action.

[CAINMUTINY]

What about the Tyshaun Taylor situation?  Shouldn't he have honored his commitment to us as well?
This has become a business and should be treated as such; isn't a letter of intent a precursor to a contract?

[tower912]

Interesting that you listed 3 different situations, 4 if you add DJ, all with one common ingredient... Buzz Williams.  If all of these situations played out the way you have described, then we can at least question Buzz's judgement in getting involved with these parties. 

I'm not calling for Buzz's head but I would like him or the university to take some corrective action.

In 2 of the situations, it was what was done TO Buzz (UNO and Maymon), 1 was a misjudging the abilities of a recruit and doing the honest thing and cutting clean on both sides.   So IMO, 2 situations actually make him look good. (Maymon and UNO)  One is neutral.  Only if you accept Newbill's camp's version of events does Buzz look REALLLLLLLLY bad.   If this  becomes the norm, then I definitely want MU to step in. 

[brewcity77]

What about the Tyshaun Taylor situation?  Shouldn't he have honored his commitment to us as well?
This has become a business and should be treated as such; isn't a letter of intent a precursor to a contract?

Yes, he should, and this came to mind for me the other day. But just because Taylor didn't do right by Marquette doesn't give MU the right to not do right by Newbill.

I'm completely ready to put this in the past, and am sick of discussing it, but I REALLY don't want this to become the norm at Marquette. The situation should have been handled better, hopefully next time it will be