Kevin Noreen Apparently to WVU

[tradebeau]

I really do love reading the chatter of the ill informed. You have all heard the saying about liars and statistics. So, I thought I would leave you a statistic. I hope hear from those who claim MU so much better than WVU. I am not saying those folks are not right but any young man that has a 4.0 and is looking at life beyond athletics and wants to get the best of both world. (Best basketball conference and the very brightest of student athletes in the big east) That young man just might choose WVU. Number 6 in rhodes scholars for public universities. I would provide links to information on this but think the haters would best be served looking it up themselves.

[wadefan#1]

he wants to give like 10 percent effort in class to get a's apparently. WVU has that we dont

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[ChicosBailBonds]

I really do love reading the chatter of the ill informed. You have all heard the saying about liars and statistics. So, I thought I would leave you a statistic. I hope hear from those who claim MU so much better than WVU. I am not saying those folks are not right but any young man that has a 4.0 and is looking at life beyond athletics and wants to get the best of both world. (Best basketball conference and the very brightest of student athletes in the big east) That young man just might choose WVU. Number 6 in rhodes scholars for public universities. I would provide links to information on this but think the haters would best be served looking it up themselves.

My dad taught Geology at WVU for a few years as a prof before going into the EVIL WORLD of working with the oil companies to find oil.  WVU is good in some areas, not so good in others.  It's a big state school serving a state that is near the bottom of the list in many categories.  As such, it takes an academic hit just like the Mississippi schools.

That does NOT mean there aren't talented students there, talented professors, etc.  It can become a numbers game at that point.  Like most large, public institutions, they have an implied mandate to educate the students of their state and will take just about anyone. As such, you have a number of people that, quite frankly, don't cut it at all and you also have students that are serious and well qualified.  Just a numbers game.

Congrats on getting Noreen.  Seems like a good kid all the way around.

[Pakuni]

I am implying only the obvious.  If the most important thing to Noreen was getting a quality education he shouldn't attend the academically lowest ranked school (or at least the bottom) he visited.  He had a 4.0 and a 36 on his ACT.  My POINT throughout this is that he was really about getting into a good basketball school first, and a quality education second, and not the other way around.

Sorry, but that's just silly.
There's absolutely zero evidence that Noreen, should he fully apply himself, will receive a lesser education at WVU than he would at Marquette or just about any of his other major suitors.
As to your POINT, if he was about getting a quality education first and not into a good basketball school, he'd have never considered Marquette. A kid who can hoop and has a 4.0 with 36 ACT could have his pick among Ivy League schools

Maybe, just maybe, he - gasp! - decided WVU was the best place for him.

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

Acceptance rates is a tricky stat.  There are a number of students that apply to the big state school because it's inexpensive to attend, inexpensive to apply.  As a result, acceptance rates can be lower because you have every kid in the state taking a flier on trying to get in.

Conversely, there are expensive private schools that many kids won't even bother attending because the cost to attend is high, it may be religiously affiliated, the application isn't cheap, etc.  So you get a self selecting applicant pool of kids that are qualified students and truly want to attend.  You don't have as many kids just applying for the hell of it.

Agreed. That and the obnoxious "number of applications" stat are overrated. With all the general apps (or whatever they're called ... I'm an old man who finished high school before they became so popular ... 7 yrs ago), the financial and time cost to apply for many schools is nil.

I would bet there's some app out there for WI residents to apply to every one of the 13 4-year schools at once. Schools are doing anything to increase their application numbers and decrease their acceptance rate.

[Hards Alumni]

Sorry, but that's just silly.
There's absolutely zero evidence that Noreen, should he fully apply himself, will receive a lesser education at WVU than he would at Marquette or just about any of his other major suitors.
As to your POINT, if he was about getting a quality education first and not into a good basketball school, he'd have never considered Marquette. A kid who can hoop and has a 4.0 with 36 ACT could have his pick among Ivy League schools

Maybe, just maybe, he - gasp! - decided WVU was the best place for him.

If he wants to hoop (legitimately have an NBA chance) he wouldn't pick an Ivy League school.  I realize it isn't unheard of, but it is certainly less likely.

I have no illusion that MU is some end all be all for academics, I am saying that according to all metrics (that I have seen) it is ranked higher than WVU.  Does that mean he can't get a better education at WVU?  Of course not.  I have said for years that you get out what you put in.  If you want to be successful, you can be, anywhere.

[GGGG]

Agreed. That and the obnoxious "number of applications" stat are overrated. With all the general apps (or whatever they're called ... I'm an old man who finished high school before they became so popular ... 7 yrs ago), the financial and time cost to apply for many schools is nil.

I would bet there's some app out there for WI residents to apply to every one of the 13 4-year schools at once. Schools are doing anything to increase their application numbers and decrease their acceptance rate.

The Common Application.  Yes you are correct on both counts.

The problem with most USN&WR rankings is that they are mostly reflective on the quality of the students that apply, not the "outcomes" of those who graduate.  IOW, it doesn't show how much a student improved during their tenure.

[mikem91288]

This is hilarious. He is gonna be the smartest person in Morgantown. If he wants Huggins over Buzz he can take it.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Noreen's recruiting sojourn would have made Phileas Fogg proud.  But then again, his HS coach at Minnesota Transitions is the same as his AAU coach...which is the same AAU team as Trevor Mbwake.  He had more dates than Wilt.

[Dawson Rental]

So, the next time a kid chooses MU over someplace like Northwestern, Notre Dame or Michigan, I'll expect to read plenty of posts here mocking his choice and questioning his ability to get an education.

Pakuni, are you really saying that the difference between different tier 1 schools is the same as the difference between a tier 1 and a tier 3 school?

[Dawson Rental]

I really do love reading the chatter of the ill informed. You have all heard the saying about liars and statistics. So, I thought I would leave you a statistic. I hope hear from those who claim MU so much better than WVU. I am not saying those folks are not right but any young man that has a 4.0 and is looking at life beyond athletics and wants to get the best of both world. (Best basketball conference and the very brightest of student athletes in the big east) That young man just might choose WVU. Number 6 in rhodes scholars for public universities.  I would provide links to information on this but think the haters would best be served looking it up themselves.

Who are these "The Haters" are they related to George W.,s "The Evil Doers"?

[Dawson Rental]

My dad taught Geology at WVU for a few years as a prof .....

Sorry Chicos, but I have to say that when I read how your post began I was LOL.  Someday, sometime there WILL be a thread where the Bailsbondsman does not have a connection.  I'm am by no means implying that what you say isn't true, in fact, that only makes it more ... whatever.  You are truly like the international communist conspiracy, your tentacles reach everywhere...

[Pakuni]

Pakuni, are you really saying that the difference between different tier 1 schools is the same as the difference between a tier 1 and a tier 3 school?

Are you saying that Northwestern, Notre Dame and Marquette are considered academic equals?
Actually, yes the difference between Tier 1 schools can, in fact, be greater than the difference between a Tier 1 and a Tier 3 school.

Put it to you this way ... according to the US News rankings you cite, Northwestern is #12, ND is #20 and MU is #84.
As a Tier 3 school, WVU falls somewhere between #129 and #195.
Thus, it is entirely possible that the ranking system you cite considers MU closer academically to West Virginia than Northwestern and ND. After all, MU is 72 spots behind NU and 64 behind ND. 71 spots behind MU places WVU squarely in the middle of Tier 3. So if WVU were just a middle-of-the-pack Tier 3, it would be about as close to MU as MU is to Northwestern. And if WVU were considered one of the top Tier 3 schools - let's say #135 - then by these rankings, MU is more WVU than it is Notre Dame.

The difference between the two schools isn't nearly as vast as some here would wish.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Sorry Chicos, but I have to say that when I read how your post began I was LOL.  Someday, sometime there WILL be a thread where the Bailsbondsman does not have a connection.  I'm am by no means implying that what you say isn't true, in fact, that only makes it more ... whatever.  You are truly like the international communist conspiracy, your tentacles reach everywhere...

Yeah, I know....it is kind of funny and it is absolutely 100% true.  He would tell me some cool stories about Jerry West, who played at West Virginia.  He only taught there for about 4 or 5 years, this was prior to him marrying my mom and before I came into the picture.  It worked out very well for him in the long run as it allowed him to get into the private sector, moved us to Central America and South America for awhile, and eventually to California.   A good man, he is missed.  RIP

[ChicosBailBonds]

Are you saying that Northwestern, Notre Dame and Marquette are considered academic equals?
Actually, yes the difference between Tier 1 schools can, in fact, be greater than the difference between a Tier 1 and a Tier 3 school.

Put it to you this way ... according to the US News rankings you cite, Northwestern is #12, ND is #20 and MU is #84.
As a Tier 3 school, WVU falls somewhere between #129 and #195.
Thus, it is entirely possible that the ranking system you cite considers MU closer academically to West Virginia than Northwestern and ND. After all, MU is 72 spots behind NU and 64 behind ND. 71 spots behind MU places WVU squarely in the middle of Tier 3. So if WVU were just a middle-of-the-pack Tier 3, it would be about as close to MU as MU is to Northwestern. And if WVU were considered one of the top Tier 3 schools - let's say #135 - then by these rankings, MU is more WVU than it is Notre Dame.

The difference between the two schools isn't nearly as vast as some here would wish.

True, but one would also have to conclude then that each degree of separation (or each ranking difference) were the same.  I don't think that's the case either.  In other words, is 10 spots away from 50 the same separation value as 10 spots away from 175? 

[Pakuni]

True, but one would also have to conclude then that each degree of separation (or each ranking difference) were the same.  I don't think that's the case either.  In other words, is 10 spots away from 50 the same separation value as 10 spots away from 175? 

Unfortunately, that's impossible to tell since after #128, US News doesn't give out scores for schools, simply a Tiuer 3 ort Tier 4 assignment.
I can tell you that Northwesten received a score of 87, Notre Dame a 76 and MU a 43. I also can tell you that the schools ranked #128 scored a 33. I can't tell you how anybody beyond that scored.

[brewcity77]

Not sure if anyone else is watching Minnesota v West Virginia right now, but Noreen is looking good in the second half. Very aggressive for the ball, playing tough in the blocks, doing a bit of ball-handling on the perimeter, and getting a lot of acclaim from the announcers. Scored his first points and looking good.

I may hate Huggy-Bear's teams, but I do wish this kid the best, seemed like a good kid that deserved a chance. Since he came in tonight, WVU has went from a 7-point deficit to (currently) a 1-point lead. Kid's looking good.

[4everwarriors]

Not sure if anyone else is watching Minnesota v West Virginia right now, but Noreen is looking good in the second half. Very aggressive for the ball, playing tough in the blocks, doing a bit of ball-handling on the perimeter, and getting a lot of acclaim from the announcers. Scored his first points and looking good.

I may hate Huggy-Bear's teams, but I do wish this kid the best, seemed like a good kid that deserved a chance. Since he came in tonight, WVU has went from a 7-point deficit to (currently) a 1-point lead. Kid's looking good.

I'm sure being a Minnesota kid he'd like to impress.

[Jay Bee]

The announcers seem to luv him, but he hasn't really done all that much.  Hopefully my Gophers can pull this one out. 

[Jacks DC]

Minnesota is good.  Hard to watch this without thinking about the potential if we had Mbakwe and Noreen.

[nyg]

Minnesota is good.  Hard to watch this without thinking about the potential if we had Mbakwe and Noreen.

Noreen isn't even close to Mbakwe.  Trevor has really developed as a power forward.  MVP of the tournament.

Minnesota has a nice all round team.

[4everwarriors]

Noreen would have been a nice addition. Don't miss Crean's 28 yr. old sophomore, headcase, model citizen recruit.

[Jacks DC]

Noreen isn't even close to Mbakwe.  Trevor has really developed as a power forward.  MVP of the tournament.

Minnesota has a nice all round team.

I didn't say they were equals.  Mbakwe is very good right now.  Noreen has potential.  No need to rehash the character issues with Mbakwe, you have to admit that as a player he would be a great addition to our team right now.