Kevin Noreen Apparently to WVU

[Hards Alumni]

There are plenty of kids at MU that would have no chance of getting into UVA

Obviously.  UVA is a top 5 public school.

If you really need me to, I can include other schools though that plenty of MU students would be able to attend.

My point was that WVU was for the kids who can't get into good schools, and use it as a fall back school.

If you want to go burn couches, head straight to Morgantown.

[MUBurrow]

yeah, there are plenty of ways we can make fun of WVA without citing academic rankings.

[LAZER]

Obviously.  UVA is a top 5 public school.

If you really need me to, I can include other schools though that plenty of MU students would be able to attend.

My point was that WVU was for the kids who can't get into good schools, and use it as a fall back school.

If you want to go burn couches, head straight to Morgantown.

Ha you're the own that chose UVA to demonstrate that WVU is a backup, not me.

[Hards Alumni]

Ha you're the own that chose UVA to demonstrate that WVU is a backup, not me.

Also, I included the "etc."

I assumed you knew what that meant.

Silly me.

[LAZER]

Also, I included the "etc."

I assumed you knew what that meant.

Silly me.

Hey don't worry about it, just make a better argument next time.

[Hards Alumni]

Hey don't worry about it, just make a better argument next time.

Are you saying you don't know what "etc." means?

[LAZER]

Oh i know what etc. means, just not in you're argument.  Are you implying Georgetown, Carnegie Melon, William and Mary?

[Pakuni]

So, the next time a kid chooses MU over someplace like Northwestern, Notre Dame or Michigan, I'll expect to read plenty of posts here mocking his choice and questioning his ability to get an education.

[Hards Alumni]

Oh i know what etc. means, just not in you're argument.  Are you implying Georgetown, Carnegie Melon, William and Mary?

Logically speaking, those are "good schools out east".

[Litehouse]

So, the next time a kid chooses MU over someplace like Northwestern, Notre Dame or Michigan, I'll expect to read plenty of posts here mocking his choice and questioning his ability to get an education.

I agree with you that academic quality is often overblown when considering athletic recruiting.  However, I think most of this comes up because it was reported that Noreen was a 4.0 HS student and academics were an important criteria for him.  That isn't always the case with many recruits.  Regardless of the relative academic qualities of whatever schools he was considering, playing for Huggins, Mr. 0% Graduation Rate, seems like an odd choice for this kid.

[LAZER]

Logically speaking, those are "good schools out east".

Logically Marquette must be a backup school as well

[GGGG]

I agree with you that academic quality is often overblown when considering athletic recruiting.  However, I think most of this comes up because it was reported that Noreen was a 4.0 HS student and academics were an important criteria for him.  That isn't always the case with many recruits.  Regardless of the relative academic qualities of whatever schools he was considering, playing for Huggins, Mr. 0% Graduation Rate, seems like an odd choice for this kid.

But you don't know how they recruited him.  They could have had him meet one on one with some faculty from the area where he wanted to study.  Maybe they reassured him that he could persue what he wanted academically.

It's more than just graduation rates.

[Hards Alumni]

Logically Marquette must be a backup school as well

Agreed, but not nearly to the degree WVU is.

Which was my exact point.

look no further than acceptance rates.

[LAZER]

Marquette is ranked in front of many schools with significantly lower acceptance rates just so you know.

Bottom line, i don't like sticking our noses up at other schools when we bitch about other fan bases doing the same thing.  It's arrogant and one of the worst attributes fans can have.  

[Hards Alumni]

Marquette is ranked in front of many schools with significantly lower graduation rates just so you know.

Bottom line, i don't like sticking our noses up at other schools when we bitch about other fan bases doing the same thing.  It's arrogant and one of the worst attributes fans can have. 

Why let facts get in the way, right?

[Litehouse]

But you don't know how they recruited him.  They could have had him meet one on one with some faculty from the area where he wanted to study.  Maybe they reassured him that he could persue what he wanted academically.

It's more than just graduation rates.

We never know what goes on behind the scenes with any recruitment, I just think this looks like a head-scratcher on the surface.  Maybe he really hit it off with a professor, like you mentioned, maybe some of the things people wrote about academic interest weren't accurate, maybe he just loved the W.Va. countryside, maybe Huggins has turned over a new leaf after seeing Da'Sean Butler with that Lowe's Senior Class Award.

[LAZER]

Why let facts get in the way, right?

Which facts?  Acceptance rates?

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Or maybe huggy man-caressed him and licked his face like desean butler??

[Hards Alumni]

Which facts?  Acceptance rates?

Yes.  And others, clearly.

Marquette is an academically better school than WVU on every single metric I have seen.  Here is one example (the most referred to one)

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/morgantown-wv/west-virginia-university-3827
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/milwaukee-wi/marquette-university-3863

I am not ashamed to say it, and I don't care if that sounds arrogant.  Sometimes the truth isn't palatable for everyone.

If academics were important to Noreen (as he said) he would have chosen a better school.

If your panties are in a bunch that is fine by me.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Acceptance rates is a tricky stat.  There are a number of students that apply to the big state school because it's inexpensive to attend, inexpensive to apply.  As a result, acceptance rates can be lower because you have every kid in the state taking a flier on trying to get in.

Conversely, there are expensive private schools that many kids won't even bother attending because the cost to attend is high, it may be religiously affiliated, the application isn't cheap, etc.  So you get a self selecting applicant pool of kids that are qualified students and truly want to attend.  You don't have as many kids just applying for the hell of it.

[LAZER]

I know MU is better than WVU and i would never argue otherwise, my original objection to your posts was in saying that WVU is a backup school to UVA and how dumb of a statement that is, also your general blasting of it academically.  What would your reaction be if a UW, or U of I, or Notre Dame fan came here blasting MU as a shitty back up school?  I think you might have a different take on this.

Also take a look at the acceptance rates of a lot of schools ranked below Marquette and some ahead of them.  Many of them are significantly lower/higher respectively.

[Hards Alumni]

I know MU is better than WVU and i would never argue otherwise, my original objection to your posts was in saying that WVU is a backup school to UVA and how dumb of a statement that is, also your general blasting of it academically.  What would your reaction be if a UW, or U of I, or Notre Dame fan came here blasting MU as a crapty back up school?  I think you might have a different take on this.

Also take a look at the acceptance rates of a lot of schools ranked below Marquette and some ahead of them.  Many of them are significantly lower/higher respectively.

Frankly, I wouldn't care.  I live in Madison, so as you can imagine, I hear it all the time.

Additionally, the drop off between the schools you listed and MU is FAR SMALLER than the drop off between MU and WVU.

As for the acceptance rates part, see Chicos post.

[OneMadWarrior]

I know MU is better than WVU and i would never argue otherwise, my original objection to your posts was in saying that WVU is a backup school to UVA and how dumb of a statement that is, also your general blasting of it academically.  What would your reaction be if a UW, or U of I, or Notre Dame fan came here blasting MU as a crapty back up school?  I think you might have a different take on this.

Also take a look at the acceptance rates of a lot of schools ranked below Marquette and some ahead of them.  Many of them are significantly lower/higher respectively.

Wisconsin U of I and Notre dame do make that argument all the time when it comes why a recurit would choose. The big Difference between WVU and Marquette besides academics maybe that he just didn't want to go to school in the city anymore. I can understand that.


FYI, Marquette was a fall back school for me over UVA and Virginia Tech. I suggested WVU to my dad, he laughed at me and stated, over his dead body. If you like Meth go to WVU.

[Pakuni]

Frankly, I wouldn't care.  I live in Madison, so as you can imagine, I hear it all the time.

Additionally, the drop off between the schools you listed and MU is FAR SMALLER than the drop off between MU and WVU.

As for the acceptance rates part, see Chicos post.

And ... who cares?
Are you implying that
a) Noreen can't get a quality education at West Virginia
or
b) By commiting to West Virginia, he can't possibily be serious about academics

Either one would be assinine. One can get a quality education at pretty much any major university in the country if he/she puts the time and work into it.

[Hards Alumni]

And ... who cares?
Are you implying that
a) Noreen can't get a quality education at West Virginia
or
b) By commiting to West Virginia, he can't possibily be serious about academics

Either one would be assinine. One can get a quality education at pretty much any major university in the country if he/she puts the time and work into it.

I am implying only the obvious.  If the most important thing to Noreen was getting a quality education he shouldn't attend the academically lowest ranked school (or at least the bottom) he visited.  He had a 4.0 and a 36 on his ACT.  My POINT throughout this is that he was really about getting into a good basketball school first, and a quality education second, and not the other way around.