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DJO's Pump Fake

Granted it is Vitale but,

MU not on it, although the rodents checked in at 27

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/dickvitale/news/story?id=5292918

Mr. Nielsen

St.John's #39, we'll see.
If we are all thinking alike, we're not thinking at all. It's OK to disagree. Just don't be disagreeable.
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flash

I think MU belongs on this list, but at the same time i like flying under the radar, I think teams plays better with no preassure or big expectations. 

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: mupanther on June 18, 2010, 01:08:51 PM
St.John's #39, we'll see.

They should be a NCAA team this year.....for clarity, that is a PREDICTION...I hope Dimes is keeping note.  PREDICTION

MakeItRain11

33. Minnesota: "Never count out Tubby Smith's club. The return of Blake Hoffarber is a key for the Golden Gophers"

I stopped reading after that....too bad I had to get all the way down to 33 before I realized this article was horse crap.

HoopsMalone

We lost a lot with our three seniors last year.  There are question marks at PG and Center.  No one knows if DJO is a one hit wonder.  No one knows how Butler will come out next year.   I am excited for the team next year, but for the people who only watch MU in passing, I can understand not putting MU on there.

MU has a lot to prove.  Jimmy can put up a big game against Kyle Singler on both ends of the floor and we can upset the champs in Kansas City to catch everyone's eye. 

GoldenWarrior

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 18, 2010, 01:26:54 PM
They should be a NCAA team this year.....for clarity, that is a PREDICTION...I hope Dimes is keeping note.  PREDICTION
We better finish above St. John's

PuertoRicanNightmare

Who cares? I'm just glad Crean's gone!!

Mobot

Go Marquette!  Go Go Go Go!

HouWarrior

Reading Vitale's team by team description-- you can tell he's doing very little homework--almost phoning it in--and he is picking some on sheer historical/coach reputation(not even naming any players).

I remember some years ago, during a game broadcast , Dicky V kept gushing over his ENRON stock, and telling all the viewers to invest in ENRON---way to pick 'em Dick!
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

Boone

I'm not worried at all about Butler. The time for that was prior to last season, but he stepped up better than anyone had a right to expect.

79Warrior

Quote from: flash on June 18, 2010, 01:14:39 PM
I think MU belongs on this list, but at the same time i like flying under the radar, I think teams plays better with no preassure or big expectations. 

based on what? We have tons of question marks.

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: houwarrior on June 18, 2010, 05:00:40 PM
Reading Vitale's team by team description-- you can tell he's doing very little homework--almost phoning it in--and he is picking some on sheer historical/coach reputation(not even naming any players).

I remember some years ago, during a game broadcast , Dicky V kept gushing over his ENRON stock, and telling all the viewers to invest in ENRON---way to pick 'em Dick!

This is why I don't like pre-season polls....the coaches and writers do the same thing...phone it in.

HoopsMalone

Quote from: Boone on June 18, 2010, 06:12:46 PM
I'm not worried at all about Butler. The time for that was prior to last season, but he stepped up better than anyone had a right to expect.

I'm not worried either but I think that the national pollsters would probably be suspicious.  It is not fair to the guys, but if you are not a highly ranked recruit people will be a little suspicious of your output because the player might be lucky.  Not everyone, of course, but some will.  DJO and Butler do not have the usual resume out of high school for the possible All-Big East players that they are, so some in the media will want them to prove it again before giving a team that they lead a strong ranking.  Not that these guys probably werent good in high school and JUCO, but they did not have the hype that drives preseason rankings.

On a related note, I was having a discussion with a buddy about the Pistons drafting Darko with a lot of players on board in 2003.  He thinks that the Pistons could have been right to be suspicious of Wade since he kind of came out of nowhere from high school nationally and there is no way to know if he got lucky in the tourney.  He thinks Wade proved to be a lottery pick while at MU, but not to take that high.  My buddy thinks passing on Melo was inexcusable, but not necessarily Wade if you keep the context of Darko's hype in mind.  Miami made out all right I think, but that type of arguement exemplies the credence people might give to reputations out of high school and the hype of the rankings.

Boone

OK, Hoops. I see what you mean now.

cheebs09

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 18, 2010, 01:26:54 PM
They should be a NCAA team this year.....for clarity, that is a PREDICTION...I hope Dimes is keeping note.  PREDICTION

You said last year that they would be a tournament team last year i believe and other people were talking them up. I was right there with you, I thought they would be a tough team. However, they fell pretty flat. So I'm not sure I'm ready to call them a NCAA tournament team.

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: cheebs09 on June 18, 2010, 09:26:42 PM
You said last year that they would be a tournament team last year i believe and other people were talking them up. I was right there with you, I thought they would be a tough team. However, they fell pretty flat. So I'm not sure I'm ready to call them a NCAA tournament team.

Don't think so.  I just went into the search function and went back 2 years and couldn't find anything where I said they would make the NCAA.

I did say it three times in the last 5 months that they will make it in 2010-11...perhaps that is what you are referencing?

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=20509.0


mug644

Quote from: HoopsMalone on June 18, 2010, 07:13:44 PM
I'm not worried either but I think that the national pollsters would probably be suspicious.  It is not fair to the guys, but if you are not a highly ranked recruit people will be a little suspicious of your output because the player might be lucky.  Not everyone, of course, but some will.  DJO and Butler do not have the usual resume out of high school for the possible All-Big East players that they are, so some in the media will want them to prove it again before giving a team that they lead a strong ranking.  Not that these guys probably werent good in high school and JUCO, but they did not have the hype that drives preseason rankings.

On a related note, I was having a discussion with a buddy about the Pistons drafting Darko with a lot of players on board in 2003.  He thinks that the Pistons could have been right to be suspicious of Wade since he kind of came out of nowhere from high school nationally and there is no way to know if he got lucky in the tourney.  He thinks Wade proved to be a lottery pick while at MU, but not to take that high.  My buddy thinks passing on Melo was inexcusable, but not necessarily Wade if you keep the context of Darko's hype in mind.  Miami made out all right I think, but that type of arguement exemplies the credence people might give to reputations out of high school and the hype of the rankings.

But similar to the idea that Wade "got lucky" in the tourney, remember that Melo was only a freshman. Yes, highly touted coming out of high school and leading Syracuse to the national championship, but teams might have justifiably wondered whether he "got lucky" for a season and might not perform as well in the NBA. There is a degree of speculation in the draft, and teams sometimes get lucky and sometimes do not.

Brewtown Andy

Quote from: mug644 on June 19, 2010, 01:27:08 AM
But similar to the idea that Wade "got lucky" in the tourney, remember that Melo was only a freshman. Yes, highly touted coming out of high school and leading Syracuse to the national championship, but teams might have justifiably wondered whether he "got lucky" for a season and might not perform as well in the NBA. There is a degree of speculation in the draft, and teams sometimes get lucky and sometimes do not.

I'd say putting up 20-10-7 in the national championship game isn't "getting lucky."

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cheebs09

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 18, 2010, 10:29:43 PM
Don't think so.  I just went into the search function and went back 2 years and couldn't find anything where I said they would make the NCAA.

I did say it three times in the last 5 months that they will make it in 2010-11...perhaps that is what you are referencing?

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=20509.0



Sorry maybe it was just that they would finish ahead of us. I remember there were some preseason rankings that had them ahead of us, and people were upset. Either way I agreed with that and thought they had a lot of experienced talent, but they were pretty disappointing. So I guess I'm just skeptical about their chances to be a top 40 team this year.

Daniel

Not surprised we are not in his top 40 - lots of unknowns on our team this year - so hopefully we will surprise.....

Lennys Tap

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 18, 2010, 06:58:37 PM
This is why I don't like pre-season polls....the coaches and writers do the same thing...phone it in.

Dick Vitale's pre-season poll has St Johns 39th and 7th in the Big East which would certainly result in an NCAA bid. CBB's pre-season poll isn't as specific but also has the Johnnies in the tournament. Vitale is "phoning in" his projection but Chico is not? Based on what?

GGGG

Quote from: HoopsMalone on June 18, 2010, 07:13:44 PM
On a related note, I was having a discussion with a buddy about the Pistons drafting Darko with a lot of players on board in 2003.  He thinks that the Pistons could have been right to be suspicious of Wade since he kind of came out of nowhere from high school nationally and there is no way to know if he got lucky in the tourney.  He thinks Wade proved to be a lottery pick while at MU, but not to take that high.  My buddy thinks passing on Melo was inexcusable, but not necessarily Wade if you keep the context of Darko's hype in mind.  Miami made out all right I think, but that type of arguement exemplies the credence people might give to reputations out of high school and the hype of the rankings.


Wade dropped, not because he "came out of nowhere," but because teams were suspicious of his outside shooting.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 21, 2010, 09:15:33 AM

Wade dropped, not because he "came out of nowhere," but because teams were suspicious of his outside shooting.

Wade ended up being drafted higher than anyone had him projected. To say he "dropped" is inaccurate.

HoopsMalone

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 21, 2010, 09:27:28 AM
Wade ended up being drafted higher than anyone had him projected. To say he "dropped" is inaccurate.

You are right because a lot of people thought the Bulls would get Wade at 7.  I remember that TJ Ford was projected ahead of him even.  He did go higher than expected.  James, Melo, and Bosh were ahead of him, and all justifiably so at the time.  The senseless gamble was taking Darko with all of that talent on the board.  Both Wade and Melo proved their worth in the tourney and the Pistons took Darko, the next Dirk supposedly.  Who knows what they saw, but even picking Kirk Hinrich probably would have been enough of a boost to win game 7 against the Spurs in the Finals a few years back.  Big mistake by the Pistons.

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