UCF and Memphis to the Big East? Blowhards talking

[T-Bone]

I'm guessing if this does happen, we would see the BigEast Championship presented by FedEx.  That seems like a reasonable amount for that sponsorship deal ($10m per year over ten years).  Not sure what the existing contracts are though.  And $10m split between an 18 team conference ain't much.

Write it stone, if it happens.  If it doesn't I will delete this post before anyone can link to it.

Edit: added "per year" so it didn't read like less than it is.

[goodgreatgrand]

I'm guessing if this does happen, we would see the BigEast Championship presented by FedEx.  That seems like a reasonable amount for that sponsorship deal ($10m per year over ten years).  Not sure what the existing contracts are though.  And $10m split between an 18 team conference ain't much.

Write it stone, if it happens.  If it doesn't I will delete this post before anyone can link to it.

Edit: added "per year" so it didn't read like less than it is.

There is no way part-time BE members will receive so much as a penny from a conference championship. None. Zero.

[goodgreatgrand]

Thoughts from around the conference on this expansion possibility:

http://www.nunesmagician.com/2010/6/17/1522307/memphis-central-florida-to-big#comments

http://www.casualhoya.com/2010/6/17/1522746/memphis-and-ucf-invitation-to-big#comments

http://www.pittblather.com/2010/06/17/ucf-rumors-abound/#comments

[bma725]

Thoughts from around the conference on this expansion possibility:

http://www.nunesmagician.com/2010/6/17/1522307/memphis-central-florida-to-big#comments

http://www.casualhoya.com/2010/6/17/1522746/memphis-and-ucf-invitation-to-big#comments

http://www.pittblather.com/2010/06/17/ucf-rumors-abound/#comments

What a surprise, the football schools want to get rid of MU and DePaul...

[GGGG]

Thoughts from around the conference on this expansion possibility:

http://www.nunesmagician.com/2010/6/17/1522307/memphis-central-florida-to-big#comments

http://www.casualhoya.com/2010/6/17/1522746/memphis-and-ucf-invitation-to-big#comments

http://www.pittblather.com/2010/06/17/ucf-rumors-abound/#comments

Jeez...some of these comments lead me to believe that some people would praise the BE for being "proactive" if they invited St. Norberts and UW-Stout.

I just cannot believe that Memphis is an atractive football target.

[LON]

What a surprise, the football schools want to get rid of MU and DePaul...

Syracuse still plays football?

[RawdogDX]

If someone is the antithesis of a blowhard are they a sucklight?

[Hards Alumni]

If someone is the antithesis of a blowhard are they a sucklight?

sucksoft.

[T-Bone]

The weird thing on Casual Hoya is the claim: "Either way, Georgetown is sitting at the table without a voice."  Uh, what's Tagliabue doing then?

[goodgreatgrand]

Good question. What IS he going? Last we heard, he was being proactive....

[T-Bone]

There is no way part-time BE members will receive so much as a penny from a conference championship. None. Zero.

Who would be part-time?  Did you think I was referring to a Big East Football Championship?  If so, then that would make sense, but they'd also need to get to 12 football teams (from what I believe is required by NCAA regulations).

I should have maybe clarified the basketball Big East Tournament at MSG sponsored by FedEx.  

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'm guessing if this does happen, we would see the BigEast Championship presented by FedEx.  That seems like a reasonable amount for that sponsorship deal ($10m per year over ten years).  Not sure what the existing contracts are though.  And $10m split between an 18 team conference ain't much.

Write it stone, if it happens.  If it doesn't I will delete this post before anyone can link to it.

Edit: added "per year" so it didn't read like less than it is.

Only the football schools would share in those dollars.   Incidentally, Fred Smith's little comments the other day have raised the eyebrows of a few legal folks in the industry.  Some have wondered whether a publicly traded company is in essence, offering a bribe to public institutions to get Memphis into a conference.   I'm not a lawyer but a few of those musings were going around last night from some folks in the biz.

[bilsu]

I really am beginning to worry that the fact that DePaul has been terrible the last few years is going to bite us in the......'

[ChicosBailBonds]

I really am beginning to worry that the fact that DePaul has been terrible the last few years is going to bite us in the......'

I don't think they would want to throw the baby out with the bathwater

Besides, in order to push a member out, there are bylaws that would have to be adhered to.  I don't know what the threshold is, but I'm guessing something like 75% to 80% agreement.  Someone would have to confirm that

[goodgreatgrand]

I don't think they would want to throw the baby out with the bathwater

Besides, in order to push a member out, there are bylaws that would have to be adhered to.  I don't know what the threshold is, but I'm guessing something like 75% to 80% agreement.  Someone would have to confirm that

It takes 12 votes to send someone packing.

[chapman]

NCAA tournament every year (and contributing the revenue to share), top 10 in attendance every year, even if you only take the spending reports with a grain of salt it's clear we still invest more into the program than most of the others, no NCAA violations.  Yeah, sounds like a terrible school to have.   A geographic outlier?  Makes sense when you don't have South Florida and wouldn't be adding two more.

Makes me wonder though, with the balance between football/non-football schools, if something like this happens would the non-football schools be better off fighting back?  Make the football schools split right away or add nobody, or force them to add two non-football schools (i.e. Xavier and Dayton) and go to 20 for a couple years while also setting the table for a split.

[HoopsMalone]

http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2010/06/17/big-east-dismisses-ucf-memphis-expansion-report/

Big East is not confirming this.

[ChicosBailBonds]

It takes 12 votes to send someone packing.

75%....thanks.  By the way, where did you find that?

[goodgreatgrand]

Makes me wonder though, with the balance between football/non-football schools, if something like this happens would the non-football schools be better off fighting back?  Make the football schools split right away or add nobody, or force them to add two non-football schools (i.e. Xavier and Dayton) and go to 20 for a couple years while also setting the table for a split.

Keep in mind that it was the bball schools that didnt support adding Penn State. The bball schools have always had the upper hand. This is why the BE is such a pathetic football conference....and why BC, VT and Miami all bolted.

Forget going to 20. I hate that idea (how big is too big? Especially when there are so many dead-weight bball teams already). Just make the split. Adding any more schools as full-time members will do nothing to prevent WVU from joining the SEC, Rutgers from joining the B10, Syracuse from joining the B10/ACC, UConn from joining the ACC, or Pitt from joining the B10/ACC (obviously they need in invite first). BE expansion is nothing but a stay of execution. We would still be on death row...

[GGGG]

Keep in mind that it was the bball schools that didnt support adding Penn State. The bball schools have always had the upper hand. This is why the BE is such a pathetic football conference....and why BC, VT and Miami all bolted.

Syracuse didnt want Penn State either.

[GGGG]

Forget going to 20. I hate that idea (how big is too big? Especially when there are so many dead-weight bball teams already). Just make the split. Adding any more schools as full-time members will do nothing to prevent WVU from joining the SEC, Rutgers from joining the B10, Syracuse from joining the B10/ACC, UConn from joining the ACC, or Pitt from joining the B10/ACC (obviously they need in invite first). BE expansion is nothing but a stay of execution. We would still be on death row...

Exactly.  This doesn't make the television contracts any more lucrative.  It's just expansion for the sake of expansion...to give people the sense they are "being proactive!"

[goodgreatgrand]

Syracuse didnt want Penn State either.

I found this tidbit...

That last event has always carried controversy because Penn State head football coach Joe Paterno has maintained Syracuse director of athletics Jake Crouthamel was a part of the blockade to keep the Nittany Lions out of an all-sports conference. Tranghese said that's just not the case.

"Despite all the negativity that comes out about Jake, he fought like crazy for Penn State to be in the league," Tranghese told Thamel. "Syracuse and Boston College really fought to have Penn State because Jake understood the importance of Penn State. What happened in the previous fall, Penn State had tried to form a football league. Coach Paterno has laid a lot of this at Jake's feet, which I think is wrong. What never got written was that the basketball league was being pretty successful and they couldn't agree on revenue sharing in football. There wasn't going to be any revenue sharing. Jake just wasn't going to do that. The next year Dave brought it up for discussion and Jake was absolutely supportive. We voted five different times and all five times Jake voted for Penn State. And Bill Flynn at Boston College, God rest his soul, voted for Penn State all five times. The reason that they didn't get in was that the league was new, a lot of the directors felt it was a basketball league. Some of the directors felt that the concept of the Big East was big markets. It was a 5-3 vote that changed the face of history."

[GOO]

Quote:   "It was a 5-3 vote that changed the face of history."

Ya, right up there with with the FDR and Stalin meetings... really history changing events.


 

[Mr. Nielsen]

UCF and Memphis doesn't add nothing to Big East football.

[GGGG]

UCF and Memphis doesn't add nothing to Big East football.

OK...does your use of the double negative mean that you think they will add something?